From theomarkettos@letterbox.com Tue Apr 7 04:30:14 1998 Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back From: theomarkettos@letterbox.com (Theo Markettos) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.comp.hardware.homebuilt,alt.engineering.electrical,comp.arch.embedded,comp.home.automation,sci.electronics.design,sci.electronics.misc Subject: RFD: comp.arch.home-designed moderated Followup-To: news.groups Message-ID: <891941015.20601@isc.org> Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org Archive-Name: comp.arch.home-designed Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 09:23:35 GMT Lines: 159 Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:9928 news.groups:277750 comp.arch.embedded:21417 comp.home.automation:32834 sci.electronics.design:45434 sci.electronics.misc:27342 REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD) moderated group comp.arch.home-designed This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the creation of a world-wide moderated Usenet newsgroup comp.arch.home-designed. This is not a Call for Votes (CFV); you cannot vote at this time. Procedural details are below. Newsgroup line: comp.arch.home-designed Homebrew digital electronics design. (Moderated) RATIONALE: comp.arch.home-designed The topic of designing computers and peripheral devices at home is discussed on the newsgroup alt.comp.hardware.homebuilt. While there is a great deal of interest in this topic, many people avoid the above newsgroup due to the fact that it is not moderated, and due to similar terminology, the newsgroup gets flooded with off topic IBM PC clone assembly questions. Measures taken to alleviate this problem have failed to eliminate the off topic noise. It is therefore proposed that a moderated forum be created, which will allow the topic to be discussed in a noise free environment. CHARTER: comp.arch.home-designed A moderated forum to exchange ideas, techniques, problems, solutions, and other information concerning the hobby of electronics design and construction, specifically related to digital machines and their peripherals. Commercial advertisements (except when non-repetitive and directly relevant to the topic of the group) are expressly forbidden; it is up to the moderation group to make individual exceptions. Posting of binaries or other non-text content is not allowed; authors should upload this data to an FTP or WWW site and instead post a pointer to that site. An exception is made for ASCII schematics. END CHARTER. MODERATOR INFO: comp.arch.home-designed Moderation group alias: Bot-master: Jan-Derk Bakker Daily moderators: Moderator: Jan-Derk Bakker Moderator: Ales Hvezda Moderator: Ian Stirling Moderation group: Moderator: Jan-Derk Bakker Moderator: Randy Gardner Moderator: Darren Guiden Moderator: Leon Heller Moderator: Ales Hvezda Moderator: Theo Markettos Moderator: Mark Sokos Moderator: Ian Stirling A 'bot moderator will be used, which will reject articles by authors who have not read the posting guidelines. Articles rejected by the 'bot will be forwarded to a group of three daily moderators for review. These daily moderators will be appointed by a moderation group of at least eight and at most twelve members who will decide on moderation policy in general and the workings of the 'bot in particular. Moderation will follow the scheme outlined below: The 'bot: - auto-approves articles that match all of these: - known author OR keyword/phrase in article OR reply to approved article to the same set of newsgroups - article with no binary content - plain text, without markup encoding - mails notification of non-approval to original authors, without an attempt to circumvent spamblocks - notification message explains moderation system, and points poster to relevant posting guidelines - sends non-approved articles to the daily moderators - uploads non-approved articles to a WWW site, and regularly posts a pointer to them - scans for forged approvals and cancels The daily moderators: - individually check articles the 'bot rejected; - if at least one of the daily moderators think the article is on-topic, it gets posted - if it is reposted, the original author is notified - in extreme cases cancel articles unanimously decided to be off-topic The moderation group: - appoints the daily moderators - deals with group abuse that's not caught by the 'bot - it has the power to bar persistent abusers by unanimous decision for a period of up to 30 days at a time - deals with long-term moderation policy - is obliged to post details of all moderation group decisions to the newsgroup - if a moderation group member does not express an opinion on a matter, then their silence shall not be taken as supporting either side of a decision Moderators of news.announce.newgroups and successor groups are allowed blanket crossposting at their discretion. END MODERATOR INFO. PROCEDURE: This is a request for discussion, not a call for votes. In this phase of the process, any potential problems with the proposed newsgroup should be raised and resolved. The discussion period will continue for a minimum of 21 days (starting from when the first RFD for this proposal is posted to news.announce.newgroups), after which a Call For Votes (CFV) may be posted by a neutral vote taker if the discussion warrants it. Please do not attempt to vote until this happens. All discussion of this proposal should be posted to news.groups. This RFD attempts to comply fully with the Usenet newsgroup creation guidelines outlined in "How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup" and "How to Format and Submit a New Group Proposal". Please refer to these documents (available in news.announce.newgroups) if you have any questions about the process. DISTRIBUTION: This RFD has been posted to the following newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, alt.comp.hardware.homebuilt, alt.engineering.electrical, comp.arch.embedded, comp.home.automation, sci.electronics.design, sci.electronics.misc and the following mailing lists: piclist@mitvma.mit.edu (pic microcontroller discussion list) subscribe via: listserv@mitvma.mit.edu hotwired@gu.uwa.edu.au (homebuilt processor discussion) subscribe via: hotwired-request@gu.uwa.edu.au After the RFD has been officially posted to news.announce.newgroups it will be reposted to: alt.comp.hardware.homedesigned Proponent: Mark Sokos Proponent: Theo Markettos Mentor: Simon Lyall From theomarkettos@letterbox.com Mon May 4 19:15:12 1998 Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back From: Theo Markettos Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.comp.hardware.homebuilt,alt.engineering.electrical,comp.arch.embedded,comp.home.automation,sci.electronics.design,sci.electronics.misc Subject: 2nd RFD: comp.arch.hobbyist moderated Followup-To: news.groups Message-ID: <894334463.29248@isc.org> Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org Archive-Name: comp.arch.hobbyist Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 02:14:24 GMT Lines: 171 Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:10027 news.groups:281473 comp.arch.embedded:22535 comp.home.automation:34017 sci.electronics.design:47917 sci.electronics.misc:28453 REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD) moderated group comp.arch.hobbyist This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the creation of a world-wide moderated Usenet newsgroup comp.arch.hobbyist. This is not a Call for Votes (CFV); you cannot vote at this time. Procedural details are below. CHANGES from previous RFD: Changed name from comp.arch.home-designed to comp.arch.hobbyist. Removed statement about moderators cancellation of posts. Modified charter and moderation policy with respect to binary posting. Newsgroup line: comp.arch.hobbyist Homebrew digital electronics design. (Moderated) RATIONALE: comp.arch.hobbyist The topic of designing computers and peripheral devices at home is discussed on the newsgroup alt.comp.hardware.homebuilt. While there is a great deal of interest in this topic, many people avoid the above newsgroup due to the fact that it is not moderated, and due to similar terminology, the newsgroup gets flooded with off topic IBM PC clone assembly questions. Measures taken to alleviate this problem have failed to eliminate the off topic noise. It is therefore proposed that a moderated forum be created, which will allow the topic to be discussed in a noise free environment. CHARTER: comp.arch.hobbyist A moderated forum to exchange ideas, techniques, problems, solutions, and other information concerning the hobby of electronics design and construction, specifically related to digital machines and their peripherals. Commercial advertisements (except when non-repetitive and directly relevant to the topic of the group) are expressly forbidden; it is up to the moderation group to make individual exceptions. Binary postings in this group are unwelcome. No postings containing 10K or more of binary content will be accepted. Postings containing less than 10K of binary content should only be used where no other reasonable method is available to convey the information they contain. All postings containing binary content of more than 10 lines or 300 bytes, whichever is the smaller, shall be forwarded to the daily moderators for inspection in the same manner as articles from unknown authors. Posters wishing to post binaries that do not fit the above criteria should upload this data to an FTP or WWW site and instead post a pointer to that site. The binary regulations do not apply to the posting of ASCII schematics. END CHARTER. MODERATOR INFO: comp.arch.hobbyist Moderation group alias: Bot-master: Jan-Derk Bakker Daily moderators: Moderator: Jan-Derk Bakker Moderator: Ales Hvezda Moderator: Ian Stirling Moderation group: Moderator: Jan-Derk Bakker Moderator: Randy Gardner Moderator: Darren Guiden Moderator: Leon Heller Moderator: Ales Hvezda Moderator: Theo Markettos Moderator: Mark Sokos Moderator: Ian Stirling A 'bot moderator will be used, which will reject articles by authors who have not read the posting guidelines. Articles rejected by the 'bot will be forwarded to a group of three daily moderators for review. These daily moderators will be appointed by a moderation group of at least eight and at most twelve members who will decide on moderation policy in general and the workings of the 'bot in particular. Moderation will follow the scheme outlined below: The 'bot: - auto-approves articles that match all of these: - known author OR keyword/phrase in article OR reply to approved article to the same set of newsgroups - article with less than 300 bytes or 10 lines of binary content, whichever is the smaller - plain text, without markup encoding - mails notification of non-approval to original authors, without an attempt to circumvent spamblocks - notification message explains moderation system, and points poster to relevant posting guidelines - sends non-approved articles to the daily moderators - uploads non-approved articles to a WWW site, and regularly posts a pointer to them - scans for forged approvals and cancels The daily moderators: - individually check articles the 'bot rejected; - if at least one of the daily moderators think the article is on-topic, it gets posted - if it is reposted, the original author is notified The moderation group: - appoints the daily moderators - deals with group abuse that's not caught by the 'bot - it has the power to bar persistent abusers by unanimous decision for a period of up to 30 days at a time - deals with long-term moderation policy - is obliged to post details of all moderation group decisions to the newsgroup - if a moderation group member does not express an opinion on a matter, then their silence shall not be taken as supporting either side of a decision Moderators of news.announce.newgroups and successor groups are allowed blanket crossposting at their discretion. END MODERATOR INFO. PROCEDURE: This is a request for discussion, not a call for votes. In this phase of the process, any potential problems with the proposed newsgroup should be raised and resolved. The discussion period will continue for a minimum of 21 days (starting from when the first RFD for this proposal is posted to news.announce.newgroups), after which a Call For Votes (CFV) may be posted by a neutral vote taker if the discussion warrants it. Please do not attempt to vote until this happens. All discussion of this proposal should be posted to news.groups. This RFD attempts to comply fully with the Usenet newsgroup creation guidelines outlined in "How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup" and "How to Format and Submit a New Group Proposal". Please refer to these documents (available in news.announce.newgroups) if you have any questions about the process. DISTRIBUTION: This RFD has been posted to the following newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, alt.comp.hardware.homebuilt, alt.engineering.electrical, comp.arch.embedded, comp.home.automation, sci.electronics.design, sci.electronics.misc and the following mailing lists: piclist@mitvma.mit.edu (pic microcontroller discussion list) subscribe via: listserv@mitvma.mit.edu hotwired@gu.uwa.edu.au (homebuilt processor discussion) subscribe via: hotwired-request@gu.uwa.edu.au After the RFD has been officially posted to news.announce.newgroups it will be reposted to: alt.comp.hardware.homedesigned Proponent: Mark Sokos Proponent: Theo Markettos Mentor: Simon Lyall From theomarkettos@letterbox.com Sun May 17 17:15:08 1998 Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back From: theomarkettos@letterbox.com (Theo Markettos) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.comp.hardware.homebuilt,alt.engineering.electrical,comp.arch.embedded,comp.home.automation,sci.electronics.design,sci.electronics.misc Subject: 2nd RFD: comp.arch.hobbyist moderated Followup-To: news.groups Message-ID: <895450421.19183@isc.org> Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org Archive-Name: comp.arch.hobbyist Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 00:13:42 GMT Lines: 174 Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:10090 news.groups:283563 comp.arch.embedded:23209 comp.home.automation:34554 sci.electronics.design:49046 sci.electronics.misc:29032 REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD) moderated group comp.arch.hobbyist This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the creation of a world-wide moderated Usenet newsgroup comp.arch.hobbyist. This is not a Call for Votes (CFV); you cannot vote at this time. Procedural details are below. CHANGES from previous RFD: Changed name from comp.arch.home-designed to comp.arch.hobbyist. Removed statement about moderators cancellation of posts. Modified charter and moderation policy with respect to binary posting. This is a repost, as the previous posting of this second RFD was maliciously cancelled. I'd be grateful if you could update the posting date in the RFD database as well, becuase as far as most people were concerned the first post of it never got out. Newsgroup line: comp.arch.hobbyist Homebrew digital electronics design. (Moderated) RATIONALE: comp.arch.hobbyist The topic of designing computers and peripheral devices at home is discussed on the newsgroup alt.comp.hardware.homebuilt. While there is a great deal of interest in this topic, many people avoid the above newsgroup due to the fact that it is not moderated, and due to similar terminology, the newsgroup gets flooded with off topic IBM PC clone assembly questions. Measures taken to alleviate this problem have failed to eliminate the off topic noise. It is therefore proposed that a moderated forum be created, which will allow the topic to be discussed in a noise free environment. CHARTER: comp.arch.hobbyist A moderated forum to exchange ideas, techniques, problems, solutions, and other information concerning the hobby of electronics design and construction, specifically related to digital machines and their peripherals. Commercial advertisements (except when non-repetitive and directly relevant to the topic of the group) are expressly forbidden; it is up to the moderation group to make individual exceptions. Binary postings in this group are unwelcome. No postings containing 10K or more of binary content will be accepted. Postings containing less than 10K of binary content should only be used where no other reasonable method is available to convey the information they contain. All postings containing binary content of more than 10 lines or 300 bytes, whichever is the smaller, shall be forwarded to the daily moderators for inspection in the same manner as articles from unknown authors. Posters wishing to post binaries that do not fit the above criteria should upload this data to an FTP or WWW site and instead post a pointer to that site. The binary regulations do not apply to the posting of ASCII schematics. END CHARTER. MODERATOR INFO: comp.arch.hobbyist Moderation group alias: Bot-master: Jan-Derk Bakker Daily moderators: Moderator: Jan-Derk Bakker Moderator: Ales Hvezda Moderator: Ian Stirling Moderation group: Moderator: Jan-Derk Bakker Moderator: Randy Gardner Moderator: Darren Guiden Moderator: Leon Heller Moderator: Ales Hvezda Moderator: Theo Markettos Moderator: Mark Sokos Moderator: Ian Stirling A 'bot moderator will be used, which will reject articles by authors who have not read the posting guidelines. Articles rejected by the 'bot will be forwarded to a group of three daily moderators for review. These daily moderators will be appointed by a moderation group of at least eight and at most twelve members who will decide on moderation policy in general and the workings of the 'bot in particular. Moderation will follow the scheme outlined below: The 'bot: - auto-approves articles that match all of these: - known author OR keyword/phrase in article OR reply to approved article to the same set of newsgroups - article with less than 300 bytes or 10 lines of binary content, whichever is the smaller - plain text, without markup encoding - mails notification of non-approval to original authors, without an attempt to circumvent spamblocks - notification message explains moderation system, and points poster to relevant posting guidelines - sends non-approved articles to the daily moderators - uploads non-approved articles to a WWW site, and regularly posts a pointer to them - scans for forged approvals and cancels The daily moderators: - individually check articles the 'bot rejected; - if at least one of the daily moderators think the article is on-topic, it gets posted - if it is reposted, the original author is notified The moderation group: - appoints the daily moderators - deals with group abuse that's not caught by the 'bot - it has the power to bar persistent abusers by unanimous decision for a period of up to 30 days at a time - deals with long-term moderation policy - is obliged to post details of all moderation group decisions to the newsgroup - if a moderation group member does not express an opinion on a matter, then their silence shall not be taken as supporting either side of a decision Moderators of news.announce.newgroups and successor groups are allowed blanket crossposting at their discretion. END MODERATOR INFO. PROCEDURE: This is a request for discussion, not a call for votes. In this phase of the process, any potential problems with the proposed newsgroup should be raised and resolved. The discussion period will continue for a minimum of 21 days (starting from when the first RFD for this proposal is posted to news.announce.newgroups), after which a Call For Votes (CFV) may be posted by a neutral vote taker if the discussion warrants it. Please do not attempt to vote until this happens. All discussion of this proposal should be posted to news.groups. This RFD attempts to comply fully with the Usenet newsgroup creation guidelines outlined in "How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup" and "How to Format and Submit a New Group Proposal". Please refer to these documents (available in news.announce.newgroups) if you have any questions about the process. DISTRIBUTION: This RFD has been posted to the following newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, alt.comp.hardware.homebuilt, alt.engineering.electrical, comp.arch.embedded, comp.home.automation, sci.electronics.design, sci.electronics.misc and the following mailing lists: piclist@mitvma.mit.edu (pic microcontroller discussion list) subscribe via: listserv@mitvma.mit.edu hotwired@gu.uwa.edu.au (homebuilt processor discussion) subscribe via: hotwired-request@gu.uwa.edu.au After the RFD has been officially posted to news.announce.newgroups it will be reposted to: alt.comp.hardware.homedesigned Proponent: Mark Sokos Proponent: Theo Markettos Mentor: Simon Lyall From neilc@stanford.edu Sun Jun 7 20:30:13 1998 Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back From: Neil Crellin Reply-To: voting@uvv.stanford.edu Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.comp.hardware.homebuilt,alt.engineering.electrical,comp.arch.embedded,comp.home.automation,sci.electronics.design,sci.electronics.misc Subject: CFV: comp.arch.hobbyist moderated Followup-To: poster Message-ID: <897275701.16386@isc.org> References: <891941015.20601@isc.org> <894334463.29248@isc.org> <895450421.19183@isc.org> Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org Expires: 30 Jun 1998 00:00:00 GMT Archive-Name: comp.arch.hobbyist Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 03:15:01 GMT Lines: 230 Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:10174 news.groups:286990 comp.arch.embedded:24194 comp.home.automation:35350 sci.electronics.design:51198 sci.electronics.misc:30149 FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2) moderated group comp.arch.hobbyist This CFV is to be distributed only by the votetaker. It is not to be posted to newsgroups, or mailed to mailing lists or individuals, except by the votetaker. Ballots or CFVs provided by anyone else will be invalid. Newsgroups line: comp.arch.hobbyist Homebrew digital electronics design. (Moderated) Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 29 Jun 1998. This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. Questions about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent. Proponent: Theo Markettos Proponent: Mark Sokos Mentor: Simon Lyall Votetaker: Neil Crellin RATIONALE: comp.arch.hobbyist The topic of designing computers and peripheral devices at home is discussed on the newsgroup alt.comp.hardware.homebuilt. While there is a great deal of interest in this topic, many people avoid the above newsgroup due to the fact that it is not moderated, and due to similar terminology, the newsgroup gets flooded with off topic IBM PC clone assembly questions. Measures taken to alleviate this problem have failed to eliminate the off topic noise. It is therefore proposed that a moderated forum be created, which will allow the topic to be discussed in a noise free environment. CHARTER: comp.arch.hobbyist A moderated forum to exchange ideas, techniques, problems, solutions, and other information concerning the hobby of electronics design and construction, specifically related to digital machines and their peripherals. Commercial advertisements (except when non-repetitive and directly relevant to the topic of the group) are expressly forbidden; it is up to the moderation group to make individual exceptions. Binary postings in this group are unwelcome. No postings containing 10K or more of binary content will be accepted. Postings containing less than 10K of binary content should only be used where no other reasonable method is available to convey the information they contain. All postings containing binary content of more than 10 lines or 300 bytes, whichever is the smaller, shall be forwarded to the daily moderators for inspection in the same manner as articles from unknown authors. Posters wishing to post binaries that do not fit the above criteria should upload this data to an FTP or WWW site and instead post a pointer to that site. The binary regulations do not apply to the posting of ASCII schematics. A 'bot moderator will be used, which will reject articles by authors who have not read the posting guidelines. Articles rejected by the 'bot will be forwarded to a group of three daily moderators for review. These daily moderators will be appointed by a moderation group of at least eight and at most twelve members who will decide on moderation policy in general and the workings of the 'bot in particular. Moderation will follow the scheme outlined below: The 'bot: - auto-approves articles that match all of these: - known author OR keyword/phrase in article OR reply to approved article to the same set of newsgroups - article with less than 300 bytes or 10 lines of binary content, whichever is the smaller - plain text, without markup encoding - mails notification of non-approval to original authors, without an attempt to circumvent spamblocks - notification message explains moderation system, and points poster to relevant posting guidelines - sends non-approved articles to the daily moderators - uploads non-approved articles to a WWW site, and regularly posts a pointer to them - scans for forged approvals and cancels The daily moderators: - individually check articles the 'bot rejected; - if at least one of the daily moderators think the article is on-topic, it gets posted - if it is reposted, the original author is notified The moderation group: - appoints the daily moderators - deals with group abuse that's not caught by the 'bot - it has the power to bar persistent abusers by unanimous decision for a period of up to 30 days at a time - deals with long-term moderation policy - is obliged to post details of all moderation group decisions to the newsgroup - if a moderation group member does not express an opinion on a matter, then their silence shall not be taken as supporting either side of a decision Moderators of news.announce.newgroups and successor groups are allowed blanket crossposting at their discretion. END CHARTER. MODERATOR INFO: comp.arch.hobbyist Moderator: Jan-Derk Bakker Moderator: Ales Hvezda Moderator: Ian Stirling Moderator: Randy Gardner Moderator: Darren Guiden Moderator: Leon Heller Moderator: Theo Markettos Moderator: Mark Sokos Administrative contact address: cahmoder@thorgal.et.tudelft.nl Article submission address: cah@thorgal.et.tudelft.nl END MODERATOR INFO. IMPORTANT VOTING PROCEDURE NOTES: READ THIS BEFORE VOTING The purpose of a Usenet vote is to determine the genuine interest in reading the proposed newsgroup, and soliciting votes from uninterested parties defeats this purpose. Do *not* distribute this CFV; intead, direct people to the official CFV as posted to news.announce.newgroups. Distributing specific voting instructions or pre-marked copies of this CFV is considered vote fraud. This is a public vote: All email addresses, names and votes will be listed in the final RESULT post. The name used may be either a real name or an established Usenet handle. At most one vote is allowed per person or per account. Duplicate votes will be resolved in favor of the most recent valid vote. Voters must mail their ballots directly to the votetaker. Anonymous, forwarded, or proxy votes are not valid, nor are votes mailed from WWW/HTML/CGI forms (which should not exist). Votes from nonexistent accounts are also invalid, and the votetaker will reject any "munged" address he cannot decipher immediately. Please direct any questions to the votetaker at . HOW TO VOTE: Extract the ballot from the CFV by deleting everything before and after the "BEGINNING OF BALLOT" and "END OF BALLOT" lines. Don't worry about the spacing of the columns or any quote characters (">") that your reply inserts. Please, DO NOT send the entire CFV back to me! Fill in the ballot as shown below. Please provide your REAL NAME and indicate your desired vote in the appropriate locations inside the ballot. Examples of how to properly indicate your vote: [ YES ] example.yes.vote [ NO ] example.no.vote [ ABSTAIN ] example.abstention [ CANCEL ] example.cancellation DO NOT modify, alter or delete any information in this ballot! If you do, the voting software will probably reject your ballot. When finished, MAIL the ballot to: < voting@uvv.stanford.edu > Just "replying" to this message should work, but check the "To:" line. If you do not receive an acknowledgment of your vote within three days contact the votetaker about the problem. You are responsible for reading your ack and making sure your vote is registered correctly. If these instructions are unclear, please consult the Introduction to Usenet Voting or the Usenet Voting FAQ at http://www.stanford.edu/~neilc/uvv. ======== BEGINNING OF BALLOT: Delete everything before this line ======= .----------------------------------------------------------------------- | 1ST CALL FOR VOTES: comp.arch.hobbyist | Official Usenet Voting Ballot (Do not remove this line!) |----------------------------------------------------------------------- | Please provide your real name, or your vote may be rejected. Place | ONLY your name (ie. do NOT include your e-mail address or any other | information; ONLY your name) after the colon on the following line: Voter name: | Insert YES, NO, ABSTAIN, or CANCEL inside the brackets for each | newsgroup listed below (do not delete the newsgroup name): Your Vote Newsgroup --------- ----------------------------------------------------------- [ ] comp.arch.hobbyist (moderated) ======== END OF BALLOT: Delete everything after this line ============== DISTRIBUTION: Pointers directing readers to this CFV will be posted in these groups: alt.comp.hardware.homedesigned alt.folklore.computers alt.home.automation comp.lang.verilog comp.lang.vhdl comp.lsi comp.os.cpm comp.periphs comp.robotics.misc comp.sys.arm comp.sys.m6809 comp.sys.m68k comp.sys.m88k comp.sys.mips comp.sys.nsc.32k comp.sys.powerpc.tech comp.sys.transputer rec.radio.amateur.homebrew and also to these mailing lists piclist@mitvma.mit.edu hotwired@gu.uwa.edu.au This CFV was created with uvpq 1.0 (Aug 14 1997). PQ datestamp: 980322 -- Voting address: voting@uvv.stanford.edu From neilc@stanford.edu Fri Jun 19 11:30:06 1998 Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back From: Neil Crellin Reply-To: voting@uvv.stanford.edu Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.comp.hardware.homebuilt,alt.engineering.electrical,comp.arch.embedded,comp.home.automation,sci.electronics.design,sci.electronics.misc Subject: 2nd CFV: comp.arch.hobbyist moderated Followup-To: poster Message-ID: <898280438.6733@isc.org> References: <891941015.20601@isc.org> <894334463.29248@isc.org> <895450421.19183@isc.org> <897275701.16386@isc.org> Supersedes: <897275701.16386@isc.org> Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org Expires: 30 Jun 1998 00:00:00 GMT Archive-Name: comp.arch.hobbyist Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 18:20:38 GMT Lines: 236 Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:10209 news.groups:288243 comp.arch.embedded:24798 comp.home.automation:35749 sci.electronics.design:52450 sci.electronics.misc:30802 LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2) moderated group comp.arch.hobbyist This CFV is to be distributed only by the votetaker. It is not to be posted to newsgroups, or mailed to mailing lists or individuals, except by the votetaker. Ballots or CFVs provided by anyone else will be invalid. Newsgroups line: comp.arch.hobbyist Homebrew digital electronics design. (Moderated) Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 29 Jun 1998. This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. Questions about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent. Proponent: Theo Markettos Proponent: Mark Sokos Mentor: Simon Lyall Votetaker: Neil Crellin RATIONALE: comp.arch.hobbyist The topic of designing computers and peripheral devices at home is discussed on the newsgroup alt.comp.hardware.homebuilt. While there is a great deal of interest in this topic, many people avoid the above newsgroup due to the fact that it is not moderated, and due to similar terminology, the newsgroup gets flooded with off topic IBM PC clone assembly questions. Measures taken to alleviate this problem have failed to eliminate the off topic noise. It is therefore proposed that a moderated forum be created, which will allow the topic to be discussed in a noise free environment. CHARTER: comp.arch.hobbyist A moderated forum to exchange ideas, techniques, problems, solutions, and other information concerning the hobby of electronics design and construction, specifically related to digital machines and their peripherals. Commercial advertisements (except when non-repetitive and directly relevant to the topic of the group) are expressly forbidden; it is up to the moderation group to make individual exceptions. Binary postings in this group are unwelcome. No postings containing 10K or more of binary content will be accepted. Postings containing less than 10K of binary content should only be used where no other reasonable method is available to convey the information they contain. All postings containing binary content of more than 10 lines or 300 bytes, whichever is the smaller, shall be forwarded to the daily moderators for inspection in the same manner as articles from unknown authors. Posters wishing to post binaries that do not fit the above criteria should upload this data to an FTP or WWW site and instead post a pointer to that site. The binary regulations do not apply to the posting of ASCII schematics. A 'bot moderator will be used, which will reject articles by authors who have not read the posting guidelines. Articles rejected by the 'bot will be forwarded to a group of three daily moderators for review. These daily moderators will be appointed by a moderation group of at least eight and at most twelve members who will decide on moderation policy in general and the workings of the 'bot in particular. Moderation will follow the scheme outlined below: The 'bot: - auto-approves articles that match all of these: - known author OR keyword/phrase in article OR reply to approved article to the same set of newsgroups - article with less than 300 bytes or 10 lines of binary content, whichever is the smaller - plain text, without markup encoding - mails notification of non-approval to original authors, without an attempt to circumvent spamblocks - notification message explains moderation system, and points poster to relevant posting guidelines - sends non-approved articles to the daily moderators - uploads non-approved articles to a WWW site, and regularly posts a pointer to them - scans for forged approvals and cancels The daily moderators: - individually check articles the 'bot rejected; - if at least one of the daily moderators think the article is on-topic, it gets posted - if it is reposted, the original author is notified The moderation group: - appoints the daily moderators - deals with group abuse that's not caught by the 'bot - it has the power to bar persistent abusers by unanimous decision for a period of up to 30 days at a time - deals with long-term moderation policy - is obliged to post details of all moderation group decisions to the newsgroup - if a moderation group member does not express an opinion on a matter, then their silence shall not be taken as supporting either side of a decision Moderators of news.announce.newgroups and successor groups are allowed blanket crossposting at their discretion. END CHARTER. MODERATOR INFO: comp.arch.hobbyist Moderator: Jan-Derk Bakker Moderator: Ales Hvezda Moderator: Ian Stirling Moderator: Randy Gardner Moderator: Darren Guiden Moderator: Leon Heller Moderator: Theo Markettos Moderator: Mark Sokos Administrative contact address: cahmoder@thorgal.et.tudelft.nl Article submission address: cah@thorgal.et.tudelft.nl END MODERATOR INFO. IMPORTANT VOTING PROCEDURE NOTES: READ THIS BEFORE VOTING The purpose of a Usenet vote is to determine the genuine interest in reading the proposed newsgroup, and soliciting votes from uninterested parties defeats this purpose. Do *not* distribute this CFV; intead, direct people to the official CFV as posted to news.announce.newgroups. Distributing specific voting instructions or pre-marked copies of this CFV is considered vote fraud. This is a public vote: All email addresses, names and votes will be listed in the final RESULT post. The name used may be either a real name or an established Usenet handle. 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PQ datestamp: 980322 -- Voting address: voting@uvv.stanford.edu From neilc@stanford.edu Tue Jun 30 06:00:23 1998 Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back From: Neil Crellin Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.comp.hardware.homebuilt,alt.engineering.electrical,comp.arch.embedded,comp.home.automation,sci.electronics.design,sci.electronics.misc Subject: RESULT: comp.arch.hobbyist moderated passes 199:15 Followup-To: news.groups Message-ID: <899211286.2670@isc.org> References: <891941015.20601@isc.org> <894334463.29248@isc.org> <895450421.19183@isc.org> <897275701.16386@isc.org> <898280438.6733@isc.org> Supersedes: <898280438.6733@isc.org> Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org Archive-Name: comp.arch.hobbyist Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 12:54:47 GMT Lines: 362 Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:10247 news.groups:289354 comp.arch.embedded:25370 comp.home.automation:36159 sci.electronics.design:53561 sci.electronics.misc:31271 RESULT moderated group comp.arch.hobbyist passes 199:15 There were 199 YES votes and 15 NO votes, for a total of 214 valid votes. There were 2 abstentions. For a group to pass, YES votes must be at least 2/3 of all valid (YES and NO) votes. There must also be at least 100 more YES votes than NO votes. A five day discussion period follows this announcement. If no serious allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the moderator of news.announce.newgroups will create the group shortly thereafter. Newsgroups line: comp.arch.hobbyist Homebrew digital electronics design. (Moderated) The voting period closed at 23:59:59 UTC, 29 Jun 1998. This vote was conducted by a neutral third party. Questions about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent. Proponent: Theo Markettos Proponent: Mark Sokos Mentor: Simon Lyall Votetaker: Neil Crellin RATIONALE: comp.arch.hobbyist The topic of designing computers and peripheral devices at home is discussed on the newsgroup alt.comp.hardware.homebuilt. While there is a great deal of interest in this topic, many people avoid the above newsgroup due to the fact that it is not moderated, and due to similar terminology, the newsgroup gets flooded with off topic IBM PC clone assembly questions. Measures taken to alleviate this problem have failed to eliminate the off topic noise. It is therefore proposed that a moderated forum be created, which will allow the topic to be discussed in a noise free environment. CHARTER: comp.arch.hobbyist A moderated forum to exchange ideas, techniques, problems, solutions, and other information concerning the hobby of electronics design and construction, specifically related to digital machines and their peripherals. Commercial advertisements (except when non-repetitive and directly relevant to the topic of the group) are expressly forbidden; it is up to the moderation group to make individual exceptions. Binary postings in this group are unwelcome. No postings containing 10K or more of binary content will be accepted. Postings containing less than 10K of binary content should only be used where no other reasonable method is available to convey the information they contain. All postings containing binary content of more than 10 lines or 300 bytes, whichever is the smaller, shall be forwarded to the daily moderators for inspection in the same manner as articles from unknown authors. Posters wishing to post binaries that do not fit the above criteria should upload this data to an FTP or WWW site and instead post a pointer to that site. The binary regulations do not apply to the posting of ASCII schematics. A 'bot moderator will be used, which will reject articles by authors who have not read the posting guidelines. Articles rejected by the 'bot will be forwarded to a group of three daily moderators for review. These daily moderators will be appointed by a moderation group of at least eight and at most twelve members who will decide on moderation policy in general and the workings of the 'bot in particular. Moderation will follow the scheme outlined below: The 'bot: - auto-approves articles that match all of these: - known author OR keyword/phrase in article OR reply to approved article to the same set of newsgroups - article with less than 300 bytes or 10 lines of binary content, whichever is the smaller - plain text, without markup encoding - mails notification of non-approval to original authors, without an attempt to circumvent spamblocks - notification message explains moderation system, and points poster to relevant posting guidelines - sends non-approved articles to the daily moderators - uploads non-approved articles to a WWW site, and regularly posts a pointer to them - scans for forged approvals and cancels The daily moderators: - individually check articles the 'bot rejected; - if at least one of the daily moderators think the article is on-topic, it gets posted - if it is reposted, the original author is notified The moderation group: - appoints the daily moderators - deals with group abuse that's not caught by the 'bot - it has the power to bar persistent abusers by unanimous decision for a period of up to 30 days at a time - deals with long-term moderation policy - is obliged to post details of all moderation group decisions to the newsgroup - if a moderation group member does not express an opinion on a matter, then their silence shall not be taken as supporting either side of a decision Moderators of news.announce.newgroups and successor groups are allowed blanket crossposting at their discretion. END CHARTER. MODERATOR INFO: comp.arch.hobbyist Moderator: Jan-Derk Bakker Moderator: Ales Hvezda Moderator: Ian Stirling Moderator: Randy Gardner Moderator: Darren Guiden Moderator: Leon Heller Moderator: Theo Markettos Moderator: Mark Sokos Administrative contact address: cahmoder@thorgal.et.tudelft.nl Article submission address: cah@thorgal.et.tudelft.nl END MODERATOR INFO. comp.arch.hobbyist Final Voter list Voted YES ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ira [at] atnet.at Gottfried Ira SReddie [at] cybec.com.au Steven Reddie bhughes [at] mh-1.mmal.com.au Ben Hughes andrewm [at] quicknet.com.au Andrew James McCubbin raoul [at] ind.tansu.com.au Raoul Golan smjc [at] it.uq.edu.au Simon Carter eyal [at] eyal.emu.id.au Eyal Lebedinsky jasmine [at] fl.net.au Jasmine Taylor abuse [at] brushtail.apana.org.au Chris Crazed-Weasel Baird year6210 [at] club.innet.be Stefaan Claes dmeed [at] nbnet.nb.ca David Meed chriseb [at] nortel.ca chris ebenezer jmcgarry [at] uoguelph.ca James McGarry brandon [at] 2i.com Brandon Hines dd [at] Adobe.COM David DiGiacomo albaugh [at] agames.com Mike Albaugh Chiuj [at] aol.com John Chiu Djamel2 [at] aol.com Jason Aubrey Wells jnoble [at] arm.com Jim Noble rstevew [at] armory.com Richard Steven Walz kimdv [at] best.com Kim DeVaughn gherbert [at] crl.com George William Herbert billm [at] cygnus.com Bill Moyer fche [at] cygnus.com Frank Ch. Eigler booda [at] datasync.com Martin H. Booda Richard_Furman [at] decopac.com Rich Furman guymacon [at] deltanet.com guymacon@deltanet.com (Guy Macon) wpfulmor [at] dimensional.com William P. Fulmor Rkoll [at] draeger.com Rob Koll mgriswold [at] environics.com Mark Griswold chare [at] erols.com Chris Hare glotfelt [at] erols.com David Glotfelty mjcoyle [at] erols.com Michael F. Coyle alex_holden [at] geocities.com Alex Holden florisl [at] geocities.com Floris Looyesteyn yifatstable [at] geocities.com Tomer Brisker RJohnson [at] GoalDesigns.com Richard Johnson robert_baker [at] hotmail.com Robert Baker suesound [at] iafrica.com Robert Gush upton [at] austin.ibm.com John Upton rstaab [at] icon.com Robert Staab mgiroux [at] IConNet.COM Mike Giroux richard_damon [at] iname.com Richard Damon phall [at] tsb.inet-images.com Philip Hall bill_r [at] inetnebr.com Bill Richman zdenekjs [at] interaccess.com Jerry Zdenek pdavies [at] interlog.com Paul Davies dougob [at] javanet.com Doug O'Brien brian [at] karas.com Brian Karas javier [at] kjsl.com Javier Henderson francesco.micale [at] lmco.com Francesco Micale souliere [at] tnt.microimages.com Ron Souliere cipher [at] mindspring.com Cipher rcini [at] email.msn.com Richard A. Cini john_switzer [at] net.com John Switzer fliptron [at] netcom.com Philip Freidin mzenier [at] netcom.com Mark Zenier source [at] netcom.com David Harmon tgm [at] netcom.com Thomas G. McWilliams ulf [at] nsc.com Ulf Samuelsson fbreame [at] dial.pipex.com Francis Breame rlcarr [at] animato.pn.com Rich Carreiro timr [at] probo.com Tim Roberts playle [at] sil.com Mike Playle stamper [at] stamper.com Chris Stamper dwolff [at] world.std.com David Wolff mbonner [at] sunada.com Matt Bonner tcooper [at] dt5.t-t.com Todd Cooper arielle [at] taronga.com Stephanie da Silva peter [at] taronga.com Peter da Silva gigabyte [at] technologist.com Stacey Wellborn jjhowe [at] teleport.com Jim Howe whoever [at] crazyclimber.u-net.com Stuart Taylor phil [at] ultimate.com Phil Budne acj [at] ultranet.com Jon Goguen Kerry.Langsford [at] UNISYS.com Kerry Langsford tom [at] dbstw.escape.de Dr. Thomas Wutzke agni [at] zedat.fu-berlin.de Gerd Truschinski kleiss [at] HDPP.de Klaus - Guenter Leiss hf [at] Melog.DE Hauke Fath naddy [at] mips.rhein-neckar.de Christian Weisgerber peter.kannegiesser [at] t-online.de Peter Kannegießer a.fachat [at] physik.tu-chemnitz.de Andre Fachat Konstantinos.Xonis [at] physik.uni-giessen.de Konstantinos Xonis Matthias.Benkmann [at] physik.uni-muenchen.de Matthias S. Benkmann uwe.schueler [at] uni-tuebingen.de Uwe Schueler gary [at] CS.Arizona.EDU Gary Wong rajwi [at] engc.bu.edu Rajwinder Singh morgoth [at] ecst.csuchico.edu Brian Goudy ap096 [at] po.cwru.edu Kevin Dahlhausen hh299 [at] cleveland.Freenet.Edu Jim Baranovich ahvezda [at] ll.mit.edu Ales V. Hvezda cburian [at] ll.mit.edu Christopher Burian y-pisan [at] nwu.edu Yusuf Pisan gordot2 [at] rpi.edu Tarl Gordon dwjurkat [at] MailBox.Syr.Edu Detlef Jurkat mdewing [at] physics.uiuc.edu Mark Dewing msokos1 [at] gl.umbc.edu Mark Sokos lscharf [at] vt.edu Luke Scharf biffs [at] u.washington.edu Randy Smith scanlon [at] cae.wisc.edu Sean Scanlon rufinus [at] mbe.ece.wisc.edu J Rufinus goose [at] WPI.EDU Matthew Gosline mmar1059 [at] alu-etsetb.upc.es Viper mjsaaris+usenet [at] cc.jyu.fi Mika Saaristo trossi [at] trixatronic.co.jyu.fi Timo Rossi franckey [at] imaginet.fr Franckey Rougane ehuiban [at] pyrenet.fr Eric Huiban jpc [at] drum.msfc.nasa.gov J. Porter Clark adia [at] egnatia.ee.auth.gr Alejandros Diamandidis Phoebus [at] di.uoa.gr Vilanakis Phoebus azummo [at] ita.flashnet.it Alessandro Zummo alemorale [at] qsconsul.it MORALE Alessio alemorale@qsconsul.it rsatk [at] taide.lt Ramunas Satkevicius jackklein [at] worldnet.att.net Jack Klein ncherry [at] worldnet.att.net Neil Cherry ncherry@worldnet.att.net rwaltman [at] bellatlantic.net Roberto Waltman paul [at] geeky1.ebtech.net Paul Anderson evander [at] epix.net evander arog [at] gte.net A R Ogden jsgray [at] gte.net J. Gray fritzo [at] humboldt.net Fritz Oppliger gdgoen19 [at] idt.net Glenn Goens wyaw_osu [at] ionet.net Yawyuan Wong ehaskell [at] sparc.isl.net Ed S. Haskell spectrac [at] micron.net Dave White crward [at] netins.net Charles R Ward geezer [at] netwurx.net Christopher E. Giese aerie [at] on-net.net Eric G Roesinger rdj [at] oro.net Robert Johnson alexdawson [at] pemail.net Alex Dawson peter [at] phillips.net Peter L. Phillips DV_BOMAN [at] prodigy.net dean boman dbpjsks [at] shentel.net Donald B. Shields randyg [at] slip.net Randy Gardner crb [at] sonic.net Charlie Burns jjette [at] sundial.net John Jeannette jtmartin [at] teleplex.net John Martin bradshaw [at] tiac.net John Bradshaw bewhole [at] together.net Brian Hayford michael.preston [at] virgin.net Mike Preston beattidp [at] whidbey.net Douglas Beattie Jr. nctnico [at] cistron.nl N. Coesel martijnb [at] stack.nl Martijn van Buul ben [at] stuyts.nl Ben Stuyts h.metselaar [at] wb.utwente.nl Henk Metselaar ole.saether [at] eunet.no Ole Saether knutel [at] stud.ntnu.no Knut Eldhuset aleistad [at] online.no Are Leistad ahfa [at] tdata.no Arne Herman Falch j.s.refvik [at] usit.uio.no Jan Sigurd Refvik bill [at] hugpar.gen.nz Bill Parkin david [at] home.net.nz David Farrar jtlawson [at] gto.net.om John Lawson jim.symolon [at] bhs.org Symolon, Jim nospam [at] haar.ddns.org Jan Haar nat [at] nataa.fr.eu.org Nat Makarevitch ese002 [at] news9.exile.org Eric Edwards forbesm [at] peak.org Mark G. Forbes pa [at] cdg.chalmers.se Per Andersson kent.johansson [at] databorgen.se Kent Johansson Henrik.Johnsson [at] emw.ericsson.se Henrik Johnsson cl3polof [at] cling.gu.se Per Olofsson lore [at] lysator.liu.se Erland Costyson anders [at] ol.campus.luth.se Anders Nyström jsm28 [at] cam.ac.uk Joseph Samuel Myers smallsa7 [at] cs.man.ac.uk Andrew Smallshaw neil.woolfries [at] strath.ac.uk Neil Woolfries I96AS [at] tay.ac.uk Allan Stirling darren.guiden [at] barclaycard.co.uk Darren Guiden bulb [at] cix.compulink.co.uk Jeremy Todd jhd [at] clavius.demon.co.uk John Deane chris [at] cti-vision.demon.co.uk Chris Savage mike [at] defunk.demon.co.uk Mike Topping kerry [at] elcontrol.demon.co.uk Kerry Morris douglas+usenet [at] fang.demon.co.uk Douglas Brebner adrian [at] fangorn.demon.co.uk Adrian Godwin leon [at] lfheller.demon.co.uk Leon Heller andy [at] madhouse.demon.co.uk Amdrew Bray mark [at] markdib.demon.co.uk Mark Dyball theo [at] marketto.demon.co.uk Theo Markettos cahvote [at] mauve.demon.co.uk Ian Stirling robert [at] mauve.demon.co.uk Robert Howard rob [at] mhairi.demon.co.uk Rob Alexander neil [at] nitebeat.demon.co.uk Neil Guiden Andy [at] nukleen.demon.co.uk Andy Tyler = ard [at] p850ug1.demon.co.uk Tony Duell adam [at] paramedx.demon.co.uk Adam Lovick plees [at] plees.demon.co.uk peter lees dan [at] podling.demon.co.uk Dan Chalmers Conor [at] puddle.demon.co.uk Conor O'Neill Voting [at] valdena.demon.co.uk AST philh [at] vision25.demon.co.uk Philip Hunt murble [at] xencat.demon.co.uk William Boughton fav [at] eidos.co.uk Frank A. Vorstenbosch steve [at] sj.co.uk Steve Wiseman duncan [at] ironhorse.source.co.uk Duncan Entwisle rw [at] shadow.org.uk Rich Walker mcintosh [at] vima.austin.tx.us Aubrey McIntosh Voted NO ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ stainles [at] bga.com Dwight Brown julesd [at] edifax.com Jules Dubois bob149 [at] efortress.com Bob Blanchard jason [at] gaydeceiver.com Jason Steiner bonine [at] interaccess.com olav [at] viking.mv.com Olav Nieuwejaar daver [at] teleport.com David Reynolds Ekkehard.Uthke [at] gmx.de Ekkehard Uthke rick [at] bcm.tmc.edu Richard Miller segercra [at] cc.helsinki.fi Mikael Segercrantz rkerman [at] mail.bright.net Richard Kerman pbern7 [at] earthlink.net Paul Bernhardt msoysal [at] mistik.express.net Mustafa Soysal MS57 skurz [at] norfolk.infi.net Steve Kurz Martin [at] crozet.demon.co.uk Martin Nicholson Abstained ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ cdt [at] audiophile.com Chris Trumbore chris [at] kzim.com Christopher Robin Zimmerman -- Neil Crellin, UVV From neilc@stanford.edu Tue Jul 14 05:39:20 1998 Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back From: Neil Crellin Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.comp.hardware.homebuilt,alt.engineering.electrical,comp.arch.embedded,comp.home.automation,sci.electronics.design,sci.electronics.misc Subject: RESULT: comp.arch.hobbyist moderated passes 199:15 Followup-To: news.groups Message-ID: <900419947.10737@isc.org> References: <891941015.20601@isc.org> <894334463.29248@isc.org> <895450421.19183@isc.org> <897275701.16386@isc.org> <898280438.6733@isc.org> Supersedes: <898280438.6733@isc.org> Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org Archive-Name: comp.arch.hobbyist Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 12:54:47 GMT Lines: 362 Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:10308 news.groups:290604 comp.arch.embedded:26079 comp.home.automation:36602 sci.electronics.design:55042 sci.electronics.misc:31927 RESULT moderated group comp.arch.hobbyist passes 199:15 There were 199 YES votes and 15 NO votes, for a total of 214 valid votes. There were 2 abstentions. For a group to pass, YES votes must be at least 2/3 of all valid (YES and NO) votes. There must also be at least 100 more YES votes than NO votes. A five day discussion period follows this announcement. If no serious allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the moderator of news.announce.newgroups will create the group shortly thereafter. Newsgroups line: comp.arch.hobbyist Homebrew digital electronics design. (Moderated) The voting period closed at 23:59:59 UTC, 29 Jun 1998. This vote was conducted by a neutral third party. Questions about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent. Proponent: Theo Markettos Proponent: Mark Sokos Mentor: Simon Lyall Votetaker: Neil Crellin RATIONALE: comp.arch.hobbyist The topic of designing computers and peripheral devices at home is discussed on the newsgroup alt.comp.hardware.homebuilt. While there is a great deal of interest in this topic, many people avoid the above newsgroup due to the fact that it is not moderated, and due to similar terminology, the newsgroup gets flooded with off topic IBM PC clone assembly questions. Measures taken to alleviate this problem have failed to eliminate the off topic noise. It is therefore proposed that a moderated forum be created, which will allow the topic to be discussed in a noise free environment. CHARTER: comp.arch.hobbyist A moderated forum to exchange ideas, techniques, problems, solutions, and other information concerning the hobby of electronics design and construction, specifically related to digital machines and their peripherals. Commercial advertisements (except when non-repetitive and directly relevant to the topic of the group) are expressly forbidden; it is up to the moderation group to make individual exceptions. Binary postings in this group are unwelcome. No postings containing 10K or more of binary content will be accepted. Postings containing less than 10K of binary content should only be used where no other reasonable method is available to convey the information they contain. All postings containing binary content of more than 10 lines or 300 bytes, whichever is the smaller, shall be forwarded to the daily moderators for inspection in the same manner as articles from unknown authors. Posters wishing to post binaries that do not fit the above criteria should upload this data to an FTP or WWW site and instead post a pointer to that site. The binary regulations do not apply to the posting of ASCII schematics. A 'bot moderator will be used, which will reject articles by authors who have not read the posting guidelines. Articles rejected by the 'bot will be forwarded to a group of three daily moderators for review. These daily moderators will be appointed by a moderation group of at least eight and at most twelve members who will decide on moderation policy in general and the workings of the 'bot in particular. Moderation will follow the scheme outlined below: The 'bot: - auto-approves articles that match all of these: - known author OR keyword/phrase in article OR reply to approved article to the same set of newsgroups - article with less than 300 bytes or 10 lines of binary content, whichever is the smaller - plain text, without markup encoding - mails notification of non-approval to original authors, without an attempt to circumvent spamblocks - notification message explains moderation system, and points poster to relevant posting guidelines - sends non-approved articles to the daily moderators - uploads non-approved articles to a WWW site, and regularly posts a pointer to them - scans for forged approvals and cancels The daily moderators: - individually check articles the 'bot rejected; - if at least one of the daily moderators think the article is on-topic, it gets posted - if it is reposted, the original author is notified The moderation group: - appoints the daily moderators - deals with group abuse that's not caught by the 'bot - it has the power to bar persistent abusers by unanimous decision for a period of up to 30 days at a time - deals with long-term moderation policy - is obliged to post details of all moderation group decisions to the newsgroup - if a moderation group member does not express an opinion on a matter, then their silence shall not be taken as supporting either side of a decision Moderators of news.announce.newgroups and successor groups are allowed blanket crossposting at their discretion. 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Vorstenbosch steve [at] sj.co.uk Steve Wiseman duncan [at] ironhorse.source.co.uk Duncan Entwisle rw [at] shadow.org.uk Rich Walker mcintosh [at] vima.austin.tx.us Aubrey McIntosh Voted NO ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ stainles [at] bga.com Dwight Brown julesd [at] edifax.com Jules Dubois bob149 [at] efortress.com Bob Blanchard jason [at] gaydeceiver.com Jason Steiner bonine [at] interaccess.com olav [at] viking.mv.com Olav Nieuwejaar daver [at] teleport.com David Reynolds Ekkehard.Uthke [at] gmx.de Ekkehard Uthke rick [at] bcm.tmc.edu Richard Miller segercra [at] cc.helsinki.fi Mikael Segercrantz rkerman [at] mail.bright.net Richard Kerman pbern7 [at] earthlink.net Paul Bernhardt msoysal [at] mistik.express.net Mustafa Soysal MS57 skurz [at] norfolk.infi.net Steve Kurz Martin [at] crozet.demon.co.uk Martin Nicholson Abstained ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ cdt [at] audiophile.com Chris Trumbore chris [at] kzim.com Christopher Robin Zimmerman -- Neil Crellin, UVV