From terminus@odyssey.apana.org.au Mon Sep 15 21:15:06 1997 Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back From: Jeremy Malcolm Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.programming,alt.comp.shareware,alt.comp.shareware.authors,alt.comp.shareware.programmer,alt.comp.shareware.for-kids,alt.comp.freeware Subject: RFD: comp.software.shareware.* moderated Followup-To: news.groups Message-ID: <874382771.11277@isc.org> Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org Archive-Name: comp.software.shareware Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 04:06:12 GMT Lines: 235 Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:759 REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD) moderated group comp.software.shareware.users moderated group comp.software.shareware.authors moderated group comp.software.shareware.announce Newsgroup lines: comp.software.shareware.announce Shareware software announcements. (Moderated) comp.software.shareware.authors Creation of shareware software. (Moderated) comp.software.shareware.users Use of shareware software. (Moderated) This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the creation of the world-wide moderated Usenet newsgroups comp.software.shareware.users, comp.software.shareware.authors and comp.software.shareware.announce. This is not a Call for Votes (CFV); you cannot vote at this time. Procedural details are below. RATIONALE: all groups Shareware is software which may generally be freely distributed for evaluation purposes. After the expiration of a specified evaluation period, the software must be registered by the payment of a fee to the author. The popularity of shareware as a method of distribution of software has sky-rocketted as access to the Internet has widened. Although other types of software are also distributed over the Internet, including public domain software, freeware and commercial demoware or crippleware, it is true to say that more shareware is available online than any other category of software. In view of the ubiquity of shareware it is surprising that there are no newsgroups in the "Big 8" hierarchies specifically devoted to it. The closest to such newsgroups that already exists is the sub- hierarchy alt.comp.shareware.*, of which the three primary groups are alt.comp.shareware, alt.comp.shareware.authors and alt.comp.shareware.programmer. A significant shortcoming of the existing alt.comp.shareware.* groups is the limitation on their distribution which is inherent in their relegation to the alt hierarchy. Another problem with the groups is the large number of off-topic posts and cross-posts they receive, including requests for "cracks" and registration keys to overcome the registration incentives incorporated by many shareware authors in their programs. Furthermore the groups alt.comp.shareware.authors and alt.comp.shareware.programmer are commonly cross-posted between, and it would be difficult to justify the retention of both groups in the new sub-hierarchy proposed here. It is impractical to moderate groups in the alt hierarchy because of the ease with which their status can be changed back to unmoderated. It is therefore proposed that three new moderated groups be formed in the existing comp.software.* sub-hierarchy. The proposed newsgroup comp.software.shareware.users will serve a similar purpose to alt.comp.shareware, but will be moderated to filter messages falling outside the group's charter. Likewise, the proposed newsgroup comp.software.shareware.authors will be a moderated group serving similar purposes to both alt.comp.shareware.authors and alt.comp.shareware.programmer. The proposed newsgroup comp.software.shareware.announce will be solely to provide a forum for announcements of releases of new shareware products and resources. Note that this proposal does NOT advocate the removal of the alt.comp.shareware.* groups. CHARTER: comp.software.shareware.users This is a moderated newsgroup, intended for discussion related to the use of shareware software. Without limitation, acceptable postings may relate to: Support questions. Bugs, fixes and workarounds. Usage tips. Shareware reviews and comparisons. Binary postings are not acceptable, although pointers to binary postings in appropriate binaries groups are. Commercial advertisements are not acceptable. Crossposting between this newsgroup and other comp.software.shareware.* newsgroups is strongly discouraged. END CHARTER. MODERATOR INFO: comp.software.shareware.users Moderator: Jeremy Malcolm Administrative contact address: cssu-admin@odyssey.apana.org.au Article submission address: cssu-submit@odyssey.apana.org.au Moderation of comp.software.shareware.users will initially be conducted by an automated robomoderation script which will reject postings that are: Binary files. Cross-posted to five or more newsgroups. Commercial or personal advertisements falling outside the charter. Information about or requests for cracks or registration keys. The moderation algorithm will be modified from time to time as may be required. The robomoderator may be supplemented, or replaced, by a human moderator if robomoderation does not prove sufficient. When robomoderation is in use, the human moderator may retroactively cancel errant postings. Details of the robomoderation algorithm, if any, in use at a given time will be supplied on request to the administrative contact address. Articles that are rejected by the robomoderator will be returned to the author along with an explanation of the rejection. No appeal process is proposed. END MODERATOR INFO. CHARTER: comp.software.shareware.authors This is a moderated newsgroup, intended for discussion related to the creation and sale of shareware software. Without limitation, acceptable postings may relate to: Development issues. Programming issues. Marketing techniques. Distribution techniques. Binary postings are not acceptable, although pointers to binary postings in appropriate binaries groups are. Commercial advertisements are not acceptable except insofar as they are bona fide one-off announcments of new shareware products. Crossposting between this newsgroup and other comp.software.shareware.* newsgroups is strongly discouraged. END CHARTER. MODERATOR INFO: comp.software.shareware.authors Moderator: Jeremy Malcolm Administrative contact address: ccsa-admin@odyssey.apana.org.au Article submission address: ccsa-submit@odyssey.apana.org.au Moderation of comp.software.shareware.authors will initially be conducted by an automated robomoderation script which will reject postings that are: Binary files. Cross-posted to five or more newsgroups. Commercial or personal advertisements falling outside the charter. Information about or requests for cracks or registration keys. The moderation algorithm will be modified from time to time as may be required. The robomoderator may be supplemented, or replaced, by a human moderator if robomoderation does not prove sufficient. When robomoderation is in use, the human moderator may retroactively cancel errant postings. Details of the robomoderation algorithm, if any, in use at a given time will be supplied on request to the administrative contact address. Articles that are rejected by the robomoderator will be returned to the author along with an explanation of the rejection. No appeal process is proposed. END MODERATOR INFO. CHARTER: comp.software.shareware.announce This is a moderated newsgroup, intended for informational announcements related to shareware products and resources. Without limitation, appropriate topics may include: Announcements of new shareware releases. Announcements of shareware FTP and WWW archives. Announcements regarding shareware related services, such as credit card registration services. This group is not intended for discussion about shareware, and followups to articles in this group should be posted elsewhere. Commercial advertisements are not acceptable except insofar as they are bona fide one-off announcments of new shareware products or services. Crossposting between this newsgroup and other comp.software.shareware.* groups is strongly discouraged. END CHARTER. MODERATOR INFO: comp.software.shareware.announce Moderator: Jeremy Malcolm Administrative contact address: ccsan-admin@odyssey.apana.org.au Article submission address: ccsan-submit@odyssey.apana.org.au Moderation of comp.software.shareware.announce will initially be conducted by a combination of human and robomoderation. Articles by new authors must be approved by the human moderator. Subsequent articles by the same authors will be automatically approved by the robomoderator, subject to retroactive cancellation by the human moderator, and so long as they are not: Binary files. Cross-posted to five or more newsgroups. Commercial or personal advertisements falling outside the charter. Information about or requests for cracks or registration keys. The moderation algorithm will be modified from time to time as may be required. Details of the robomoderation algorithm, if any, in use at a given time will be supplied on request to the administrative contact address. Articles that are rejected by the human or robomoderator will be returned to the author along with an explanation of the rejection. No appeal process is proposed. END MODERATOR INFO. PROCEDURE: This is a request for discussion, not a call for votes. In this phase of the process, any potential problems with the proposed newsgroups should be raised and resolved. The discussion period will continue for a minimum of 21 days (starting from when the first RFD for this proposal is posted to news.announce.newgroups), after which a Call For Votes (CFV) may be posted by a neutral vote taker if the discussion warrants it. Please do not attempt to vote until this happens. All discussion of this proposal should be posted to news.groups. This RFD attempts to comply fully with the Usenet newsgroup creation guidelines outlined in "How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup" and "How to Format and Submit a New Group Proposal". Please refer to these documents (available in news.announce.newgroups) if you have any questions about the process. DISTRIBUTION: This RFD has been posted to the following newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, comp.software, comp.programming, alt.comp.shareware, alt.comp.shareware.authors, alt.comp.shareware.programmer, alt.comp.shareware.for-kids, alt.comp.freeware Proponent: Jeremy Malcolm From terminus@odyssey.apana.org.au Mon Sep 29 23:45:04 1997 Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back From: Jeremy Malcolm Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.programming,alt.comp.shareware,alt.comp.shareware.authors,alt.comp.shareware.programmer,alt.comp.shareware.for-kids,alt.comp.freeware Subject: 2nd RFD: comp.software.shareware.* Followup-To: news.groups Message-ID: <875601165.10631@isc.org> Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org Archive-Name: comp.software.shareware Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 06:32:45 GMT Lines: 239 Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:817 REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD) moderated group comp.software.shareware.users moderated group comp.software.shareware.authors moderated group comp.software.shareware.announce CHANGES from previous RFD: References to retromoderation of the proposed newsgroups has been omitted. Reference to details of the robomoderation algorithms being supplied on request has been omitted. The word "usually" has been added to the rationale in acknowledgment that some forms of shareware require payment other than in money. The charters have been amended to clarify the circumstances in which freeware and public domain software may be discussed in the proposed newsgroups. Newsgroup lines: comp.software.shareware.announce Shareware software announcements. (Moderated) comp.software.shareware.authors Creation of shareware software. (Moderated) comp.software.shareware.users Use of shareware software. (Moderated) This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the creation of the world-wide moderated Usenet newsgroups comp.software.shareware.users, comp.software.shareware.authors and comp.software.shareware.announce. This is not a Call for Votes (CFV); you cannot vote at this time. Procedural details are below. RATIONALE: all groups Shareware is software which may generally be freely distributed for evaluation purposes. After the expiration of a specified evaluation period, the software must be registered, usually by the payment of a fee to the author. The popularity of shareware as a method of distribution of software has sky-rocketted as access to the Internet has widened. Although other types of software are also distributed over the Internet, including public domain software, freeware and commercial demoware or crippleware, it is true to say that more shareware is available online than any other category of software. In view of the ubiquity of shareware it is surprising that there are no newsgroups in the "Big 8" hierarchies specifically devoted to it. The closest to such newsgroups that already exists is the sub- hierarchy alt.comp.shareware.*, of which the three primary groups are alt.comp.shareware, alt.comp.shareware.authors and alt.comp.shareware.programmer. A significant shortcoming of the existing alt.comp.shareware.* groups is the limitation on their distribution which is inherent in their relegation to the alt hierarchy. Another problem with the groups is the large number of off-topic posts and cross-posts they receive, including requests for "cracks" and registration keys to overcome the registration incentives incorporated by many shareware authors in their programs. Furthermore the groups alt.comp.shareware.authors and alt.comp.shareware.programmer are commonly cross-posted between, and it would be difficult to justify the retention of both groups in the new sub-hierarchy proposed here. It is impractical to moderate groups in the alt hierarchy because of the ease with which their status can be changed back to unmoderated. It is therefore proposed that three new moderated groups be formed in the existing comp.software.* sub-hierarchy. The proposed newsgroup comp.software.shareware.users will serve a similar purpose to alt.comp.shareware, but will be moderated to filter messages falling outside the group's charter. Likewise, the proposed newsgroup comp.software.shareware.authors will be a moderated group serving similar purposes to both alt.comp.shareware.authors and alt.comp.shareware.programmer. The proposed newsgroup comp.software.shareware.announce will be solely to provide a forum for announcements of releases of new shareware products and resources. Note that this proposal does NOT advocate the removal of the alt.comp.shareware.* groups. CHARTER: comp.software.shareware.users This is a moderated newsgroup, intended for discussion related to the use of shareware software. Without limitation, acceptable postings may relate to: Support questions. Bugs, fixes and workarounds. Usage tips. Shareware reviews and comparisons. Binary postings are not acceptable, although pointers to binary postings in appropriate binaries groups are. Commercial advertisements are not acceptable. Postings relating solely to other forms of software such as freeware and public domain software are not appropriate for this newsgroup. Crossposting between this newsgroup and other comp.software.shareware.* newsgroups is strongly discouraged. END CHARTER. MODERATOR INFO: comp.software.shareware.users Moderator: Jeremy Malcolm Administrative contact address: cssu-admin@odyssey.apana.org.au Article submission address: cssu-submit@odyssey.apana.org.au Moderation of comp.software.shareware.users will initially be conducted by an automated robomoderation script which will reject postings that are: Binary files. Cross-posted to five or more newsgroups. Commercial or personal advertisements falling outside the charter. Information about or requests for cracks or registration keys. The moderation algorithm will be modified from time to time as may be required. The robomoderator may be supplemented, or replaced, by a human moderator if robomoderation does not prove sufficient. Articles that are rejected by the robomoderator will be returned to the author along with an explanation of the rejection. No appeal process is proposed. END MODERATOR INFO. CHARTER: comp.software.shareware.authors This is a moderated newsgroup, intended for discussion related to the creation and sale of shareware software. Without limitation, acceptable postings may relate to: Development issues. Programming issues. Marketing techniques. Distribution techniques. Binary postings are not acceptable, although pointers to binary postings in appropriate binaries groups are. Commercial advertisements are not acceptable. Postings relating solely to other forms of software such as freeware and public domain software are not appropriate for this newsgroup. Crossposting between this newsgroup and other comp.software.shareware.* newsgroups is strongly discouraged. END CHARTER. MODERATOR INFO: comp.software.shareware.authors Moderator: Jeremy Malcolm Administrative contact address: ccsa-admin@odyssey.apana.org.au Article submission address: ccsa-submit@odyssey.apana.org.au Moderation of comp.software.shareware.authors will initially be conducted by an automated robomoderation script which will reject postings that are: Binary files. Cross-posted to five or more newsgroups. Commercial or personal advertisements falling outside the charter. Information about or requests for cracks or registration keys. The moderation algorithm will be modified from time to time as may be required. The robomoderator may be supplemented, or replaced, by a human moderator if robomoderation does not prove sufficient. Articles that are rejected by the robomoderator will be returned to the author along with an explanation of the rejection. No appeal process is proposed. END MODERATOR INFO. CHARTER: comp.software.shareware.announce This is a moderated newsgroup, intended for informational announcements related to shareware products and resources. Without limitation, appropriate topics may include: Announcements of new shareware releases. Announcements of shareware FTP and WWW archives. Announcements regarding shareware related services, such as credit card registration services. This group is not intended for discussion about shareware, and followups to articles in this group should be posted elsewhere. Commercial advertisements are not acceptable except insofar as they are bona fide one-off announcments of new shareware products or services. Announcements relating to other forms of software such as freeware and public domain software are not appropriate for this newsgroup. Crossposting between this newsgroup and other comp.software.shareware.* newsgroups is strongly discouraged. END CHARTER. MODERATOR INFO: comp.software.shareware.announce Moderator: Jeremy Malcolm Administrative contact address: ccsan-admin@odyssey.apana.org.au Article submission address: ccsan-submit@odyssey.apana.org.au Moderation of comp.software.shareware.announce will initially be conducted by a combination of human and robomoderation. Articles by new authors must be approved by the human moderator. Subsequent articles by the same authors will be automatically approved by the robomoderator, so long as they are not: Binary files. Cross-posted to five or more newsgroups. Commercial or personal advertisements falling outside the charter. Information about or requests for cracks or registration keys. The moderation algorithm will be modified from time to time as may be required. Articles that are rejected by the human or robomoderator will be returned to the author along with an explanation of the rejection. No appeal process is proposed. END MODERATOR INFO. PROCEDURE: This is a request for discussion, not a call for votes. In this phase of the process, any potential problems with the proposed newsgroups should be raised and resolved. The discussion period will continue for a minimum of 21 days (starting from when the first RFD for this proposal is posted to news.announce.newgroups), after which a Call For Votes (CFV) may be posted by a neutral vote taker if the discussion warrants it. Please do not attempt to vote until this happens. All discussion of this proposal should be posted to news.groups. This RFD attempts to comply fully with the Usenet newsgroup creation guidelines outlined in "How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup" and "How to Format and Submit a New Group Proposal". Please refer to these documents (available in news.announce.newgroups) if you have any questions about the process. DISTRIBUTION: This RFD has been posted to the following newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, comp.programming, alt.comp.shareware, alt.comp.shareware.authors, alt.comp.shareware.programmer, alt.comp.shareware.for-kids, alt.comp.freeware Proponent: Jeremy Malcolm From jjd@primenet.com Mon Oct 20 12:30:13 1997 Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back From: Jim Davis Reply-To: jjd@primenet.com Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.comp.freeware,alt.comp.shareware,alt.comp.shareware.authors,alt.comp.shareware.for-kids,alt.comp.shareware.programmer,comp.programming Subject: CFV: comp.software.shareware.* moderated Followup-To: poster Message-ID: <877375527.4932@isc.org> Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org Expires: 11 Nov 1997 00:00:00 GMT Archive-Name: comp.software.shareware Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 19:25:28 GMT Lines: 277 Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:882 FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2) moderated group comp.software.shareware.announce moderated group comp.software.shareware.authors moderated group comp.software.shareware.users Newsgroups lines: comp.software.shareware.announce Shareware software announcements. (Moderated) comp.software.shareware.authors Creation of shareware software. (Moderated) comp.software.shareware.users Use of shareware software. (Moderated) Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 10 Nov 1997. This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. Questions about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent. Proponent: Jeremy Malcolm Votetaker: Jim Davis RATIONALE: all groups Shareware is software which may generally be freely distributed for evaluation purposes. After the expiration of a specified evaluation period, the software must be registered, usually by the payment of a fee to the author. The popularity of shareware as a method of distribution of software has sky-rocketted as access to the Internet has widened. Although other types of software are also distributed over the Internet, including public domain software, freeware and commercial demoware or crippleware, it is true to say that more shareware is available online than any other category of software. In view of the ubiquity of shareware it is surprising that there are no newsgroups in the "Big 8" hierarchies specifically devoted to it. The closest to such newsgroups that already exists is the sub- hierarchy alt.comp.shareware.*, of which the three primary groups are alt.comp.shareware, alt.comp.shareware.authors and alt.comp.shareware.programmer. A significant shortcoming of the existing alt.comp.shareware.* groups is the limitation on their distribution which is inherent in their relegation to the alt hierarchy. Another problem with the groups is the large number of off-topic posts and cross-posts they receive, including requests for "cracks" and registration keys to overcome the registration incentives incorporated by many shareware authors in their programs. Furthermore the groups alt.comp.shareware.authors and alt.comp.shareware.programmer are commonly cross-posted between, and it would be difficult to justify the retention of both groups in the new sub-hierarchy proposed here. It is impractical to moderate groups in the alt hierarchy because of the ease with which their status can be changed back to unmoderated. It is therefore proposed that three new moderated groups be formed in the existing comp.software.* sub-hierarchy. The proposed newsgroup comp.software.shareware.users will serve a similar purpose to alt.comp.shareware, but will be moderated to filter messages falling outside the group's charter. Likewise, the proposed newsgroup comp.software.shareware.authors will be a moderated group serving similar purposes to both alt.comp.shareware.authors and alt.comp.shareware.programmer. The proposed newsgroup comp.software.shareware.announce will be solely to provide a forum for announcements of releases of new shareware products and resources. Note that this proposal does NOT advocate the removal of the alt.comp.shareware.* groups. CHARTER: comp.software.shareware.announce This is a moderated newsgroup, intended for informational announcements related to shareware products and resources. Without limitation, appropriate topics may include: Announcements of new shareware releases. Announcements of shareware FTP and WWW archives. Announcements regarding shareware related services, such as credit card registration services. This group is not intended for discussion about shareware, and followups to articles in this group should be posted elsewhere. Commercial advertisements are not acceptable except insofar as they are bona fide one-off announcments of new shareware products or services. Announcements relating to other forms of software such as freeware and public domain software are not appropriate for this newsgroup. Crossposting between this newsgroup and other comp.software.shareware.* newsgroups is strongly discouraged. END CHARTER. CHARTER: comp.software.shareware.authors This is a moderated newsgroup, intended for discussion related to the creation and sale of shareware software. Without limitation, acceptable postings may relate to: Development issues. Programming issues. Marketing techniques. Distribution techniques. Binary postings are not acceptable, although pointers to binary postings in appropriate binaries groups are. Commercial advertisements are not acceptable. Postings relating solely to other forms of software such as freeware and public domain software are not appropriate for this newsgroup. Crossposting between this newsgroup and other comp.software.shareware.* newsgroups is strongly discouraged. END CHARTER. CHARTER: comp.software.shareware.users This is a moderated newsgroup, intended for discussion related to the use of shareware software. Without limitation, acceptable postings may relate to: Support questions. Bugs, fixes and workarounds. Usage tips. Shareware reviews and comparisons. Binary postings are not acceptable, although pointers to binary postings in appropriate binaries groups are. Commercial advertisements are not acceptable. Postings relating solely to other forms of software such as freeware and public domain software are not appropriate for this newsgroup. Crossposting between this newsgroup and other comp.software.shareware.* newsgroups is strongly discouraged. END CHARTER. MODERATOR INFO: comp.software.shareware.announce Moderator: Jeremy Malcolm Administrative contact address: cssan-admin@odyssey.apana.org.au Article submission address: cssan-submit@odyssey.apana.org.au Moderation of comp.software.shareware.announce will initially be conducted by a combination of human and robomoderation. Articles by new authors must be approved by the human moderator. Subsequent articles by the same authors will be automatically approved by the robomoderator, so long as they are not: Binary files. Cross-posted to five or more newsgroups. Commercial or personal advertisements falling outside the charter. Information about or requests for cracks or registration keys. The moderation algorithm will be modified from time to time as may be required. Articles that are rejected by the human or robomoderator will be returned to the author along with an explanation of the rejection. No appeal process is proposed. END MODERATOR INFO. MODERATOR INFO: comp.software.shareware.authors Moderator: Jeremy Malcolm Administrative contact address: cssa-admin@odyssey.apana.org.au Article submission address: cssa-submit@odyssey.apana.org.au Moderation of comp.software.shareware.authors will initially be conducted by an automated robomoderation script which will reject postings that are: Binary files. Cross-posted to five or more newsgroups. Commercial or personal advertisements falling outside the charter. Information about or requests for cracks or registration keys. The moderation algorithm will be modified from time to time as may be required. The robomoderator may be supplemented, or replaced, by a human moderator if robomoderation does not prove sufficient. Articles that are rejected by the robomoderator will be returned to the author along with an explanation of the rejection. No appeal process is proposed. END MODERATOR INFO. MODERATOR INFO: comp.software.shareware.users Moderator: Jeremy Malcolm Administrative contact address: cssu-admin@odyssey.apana.org.au Article submission address: cssu-submit@odyssey.apana.org.au Moderation of comp.software.shareware.users will initially be conducted by an automated robomoderation script which will reject postings that are: Binary files. Cross-posted to five or more newsgroups. Commercial or personal advertisements falling outside the charter. Information about or requests for cracks or registration keys. The moderation algorithm will be modified from time to time as may be required. The robomoderator may be supplemented, or replaced, by a human moderator if robomoderation does not prove sufficient. Articles that are rejected by the robomoderator will be returned to the author along with an explanation of the rejection. No appeal process is proposed. END MODERATOR INFO. HOW TO VOTE: Extract the ballot from the CFV by deleting everything before and after the "BEGINNING OF BALLOT" and "END OF BALLOT" lines. Don't worry about the spacing of the columns or any quote characters (">") that your reply inserts. Please, DO NOT send the entire CFV back to me! Fill in the ballot as shown below. Please provde your REAL NAME and indicate your desired vote in the appropriate locations inside the ballot. When finished, MAIL the ballot to: < jjd@primenet.com > Just "replying" to this message should work, but check the "To:" line. Examples of how to properly indicate your vote: [ YES ] example.yes.vote [ NO ] example.no.vote [ ABSTAIN ] example.abstention [ CANCEL ] example.cancellation DO NOT modify, alter or delete any information in this ballot! If you do, the voting software will probably reject your ballot. If these instructions are unclear, please consult the Introduction to Usenet Voting or the Usenet Voting FAQ at http://www.iki.fi/~jpatokal/uvv. ======== BEGINNING OF BALLOT: Delete everything before this line ======= .----------------------------------------------------------------------- | 1ST CALL FOR VOTES: comp.software.shareware.announce | Official Usenet Voting Ballot (Do not remove this line!) |----------------------------------------------------------------------- | Please provide your real name, or your vote may be rejected. Place | ONLY your name (ie. do NOT include your e-mail address or any other | information; ONLY your name) after the colon on the following line: Voter name: | Insert YES, NO, ABSTAIN, or CANCEL inside the brackets for each | newsgroup listed below (do not delete the newsgroup name): Your Vote Newsgroup --------- ----------------------------------------------------------- [ ] comp.software.shareware.announce [ ] comp.software.shareware.authors [ ] comp.software.shareware.users ======== END OF BALLOT: Delete everything after this line ============== IMPORTANT VOTING PROCEDURE NOTES: Standard Guidelines for voting apply. One vote per person, one account per voter. Votes must be mailed directly from the voter to the votetaker. Anonymous, forwarded or proxy votes are not valid. Votes mailed by WWW/HTML/CGI forms are considered to be anonymous votes. Vote counting is automated. Failure to follow these directions may mean that your vote does not get counted. If you do not receive an acknowledgment of your vote within three days contact the votetaker about the problem. It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly. Duplicate votes are resolved in favor of the most recent valid vote. Addresses and votes of all voters will be published in the final voting results post. The purpose of a Usenet vote is to determine the genuine interest of persons who would read a proposed newsgroup. Soliciting votes from disinterested parties defeats this purpose. Please do not distribute this CFV. If you must, direct people to the official CFV as posted to news.announce.newgroups. Distributing pre-marked or otherwise edited copies of this CFV is generally considered to be vote fraud. When in doubt, ask the votetaker. This CFV was created with uvpq 1.0 (Jun 10 1997). PQ datestamp: 970324 From jjd@primenet.com Thu Oct 30 22:45:04 1997 Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back From: Jim Davis Reply-To: jjd@primenet.com Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.comp.freeware,alt.comp.shareware,alt.comp.shareware.authors,alt.comp.shareware.for-kids,alt.comp.shareware.programmer,comp.programming Subject: 2nd CFV: comp.software.shareware.* moderated Followup-To: poster Message-ID: <878280122.17308@isc.org> Supersedes: <877375527.4932@isc.org> Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org Expires: 11 Nov 1997 00:00:00 GMT Archive-Name: comp.software.shareware Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 06:42:03 GMT Lines: 284 Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:905 LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2) moderated group comp.software.shareware.announce moderated group comp.software.shareware.authors moderated group comp.software.shareware.users Newsgroups lines: comp.software.shareware.announce Shareware software announcements. (Moderated) comp.software.shareware.authors Creation of shareware software. (Moderated) comp.software.shareware.users Use of shareware software. (Moderated) Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 10 Nov 1997. This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. Questions about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent. Proponent: Jeremy Malcolm Votetaker: Jim Davis RATIONALE: all groups Shareware is software which may generally be freely distributed for evaluation purposes. After the expiration of a specified evaluation period, the software must be registered, usually by the payment of a fee to the author. The popularity of shareware as a method of distribution of software has sky-rocketted as access to the Internet has widened. Although other types of software are also distributed over the Internet, including public domain software, freeware and commercial demoware or crippleware, it is true to say that more shareware is available online than any other category of software. In view of the ubiquity of shareware it is surprising that there are no newsgroups in the "Big 8" hierarchies specifically devoted to it. The closest to such newsgroups that already exists is the sub- hierarchy alt.comp.shareware.*, of which the three primary groups are alt.comp.shareware, alt.comp.shareware.authors and alt.comp.shareware.programmer. A significant shortcoming of the existing alt.comp.shareware.* groups is the limitation on their distribution which is inherent in their relegation to the alt hierarchy. Another problem with the groups is the large number of off-topic posts and cross-posts they receive, including requests for "cracks" and registration keys to overcome the registration incentives incorporated by many shareware authors in their programs. Furthermore the groups alt.comp.shareware.authors and alt.comp.shareware.programmer are commonly cross-posted between, and it would be difficult to justify the retention of both groups in the new sub-hierarchy proposed here. It is impractical to moderate groups in the alt hierarchy because of the ease with which their status can be changed back to unmoderated. It is therefore proposed that three new moderated groups be formed in the existing comp.software.* sub-hierarchy. The proposed newsgroup comp.software.shareware.users will serve a similar purpose to alt.comp.shareware, but will be moderated to filter messages falling outside the group's charter. Likewise, the proposed newsgroup comp.software.shareware.authors will be a moderated group serving similar purposes to both alt.comp.shareware.authors and alt.comp.shareware.programmer. The proposed newsgroup comp.software.shareware.announce will be solely to provide a forum for announcements of releases of new shareware products and resources. Note that this proposal does NOT advocate the removal of the alt.comp.shareware.* groups. CHARTER: comp.software.shareware.announce This is a moderated newsgroup, intended for informational announcements related to shareware products and resources. Without limitation, appropriate topics may include: Announcements of new shareware releases. Announcements of shareware FTP and WWW archives. Announcements regarding shareware related services, such as credit card registration services. This group is not intended for discussion about shareware, and followups to articles in this group should be posted elsewhere. Commercial advertisements are not acceptable except insofar as they are bona fide one-off announcments of new shareware products or services. Announcements relating to other forms of software such as freeware and public domain software are not appropriate for this newsgroup. Crossposting between this newsgroup and other comp.software.shareware.* newsgroups is strongly discouraged. END CHARTER. CHARTER: comp.software.shareware.authors This is a moderated newsgroup, intended for discussion related to the creation and sale of shareware software. Without limitation, acceptable postings may relate to: Development issues. Programming issues. Marketing techniques. Distribution techniques. Binary postings are not acceptable, although pointers to binary postings in appropriate binaries groups are. Commercial advertisements are not acceptable. Postings relating solely to other forms of software such as freeware and public domain software are not appropriate for this newsgroup. Crossposting between this newsgroup and other comp.software.shareware.* newsgroups is strongly discouraged. END CHARTER. CHARTER: comp.software.shareware.users This is a moderated newsgroup, intended for discussion related to the use of shareware software. Without limitation, acceptable postings may relate to: Support questions. Bugs, fixes and workarounds. Usage tips. Shareware reviews and comparisons. Binary postings are not acceptable, although pointers to binary postings in appropriate binaries groups are. Commercial advertisements are not acceptable. Postings relating solely to other forms of software such as freeware and public domain software are not appropriate for this newsgroup. Crossposting between this newsgroup and other comp.software.shareware.* newsgroups is strongly discouraged. END CHARTER. MODERATOR INFO: comp.software.shareware.announce Moderator: Jeremy Malcolm Administrative contact address: cssan-admin@odyssey.apana.org.au Article submission address: cssan-submit@odyssey.apana.org.au Moderation of comp.software.shareware.announce will initially be conducted by a combination of human and robomoderation. Articles by new authors must be approved by the human moderator. Subsequent articles by the same authors will be automatically approved by the robomoderator, so long as they are not: Binary files. Cross-posted to five or more newsgroups. Commercial or personal advertisements falling outside the charter. Information about or requests for cracks or registration keys. The moderation algorithm will be modified from time to time as may be required. Articles that are rejected by the human or robomoderator will be returned to the author along with an explanation of the rejection. No appeal process is proposed. END MODERATOR INFO. MODERATOR INFO: comp.software.shareware.authors Moderator: Jeremy Malcolm Administrative contact address: cssa-admin@odyssey.apana.org.au Article submission address: cssa-submit@odyssey.apana.org.au Moderation of comp.software.shareware.authors will initially be conducted by an automated robomoderation script which will reject postings that are: Binary files. Cross-posted to five or more newsgroups. Commercial or personal advertisements falling outside the charter. Information about or requests for cracks or registration keys. The moderation algorithm will be modified from time to time as may be required. The robomoderator may be supplemented, or replaced, by a human moderator if robomoderation does not prove sufficient. Articles that are rejected by the robomoderator will be returned to the author along with an explanation of the rejection. No appeal process is proposed. END MODERATOR INFO. MODERATOR INFO: comp.software.shareware.users Moderator: Jeremy Malcolm Administrative contact address: cssu-admin@odyssey.apana.org.au Article submission address: cssu-submit@odyssey.apana.org.au Moderation of comp.software.shareware.users will initially be conducted by an automated robomoderation script which will reject postings that are: Binary files. Cross-posted to five or more newsgroups. Commercial or personal advertisements falling outside the charter. Information about or requests for cracks or registration keys. The moderation algorithm will be modified from time to time as may be required. The robomoderator may be supplemented, or replaced, by a human moderator if robomoderation does not prove sufficient. Articles that are rejected by the robomoderator will be returned to the author along with an explanation of the rejection. No appeal process is proposed. END MODERATOR INFO. 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PQ datestamp: 970324 comp.software.shareware.* moderated Bounce List - No need to revote ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ deb@nospam.tink.com donmoe@ix.netcom.nospam.com Don Moe irina@rempt.xs2all.nl Irina Rempt From jjd@primenet.com Wed Nov 12 20:30:05 1997 Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back From: Jim Davis Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.comp.freeware,alt.comp.shareware,alt.comp.shareware.authors,alt.comp.shareware.for-kids,alt.comp.shareware.programmer,comp.programming Subject: RESULT: comp.software.shareware.* moderated all groups fail Followup-To: news.groups Message-ID: <879395156.10892@isc.org> Supersedes: <878280122.17308@isc.org> Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org Archive-Name: comp.software.shareware Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 04:25:58 GMT Lines: 369 Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:944 RESULT moderated group comp.software.shareware.announce fails 119:27 moderated group comp.software.shareware.authors fails 108:30 moderated group comp.software.shareware.users fails 110:32 For group passage, YES votes must be at least 2/3 of all valid (YES and NO) votes. There also must be at least 100 more YES votes than NO votes. There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted. Unless serious allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the groups may not be voted on again for six months. Newsgroups lines: comp.software.shareware.announce Shareware software announcements. (Moderated) comp.software.shareware.authors Creation of shareware software. (Moderated) comp.software.shareware.users Use of shareware software. (Moderated) This vote was conducted by a neutral third party. Questions about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent. Proponent: Jeremy Malcolm Votetaker: Jim Davis RATIONALE: all groups Shareware is software which may generally be freely distributed for evaluation purposes. After the expiration of a specified evaluation period, the software must be registered, usually by the payment of a fee to the author. The popularity of shareware as a method of distribution of software has sky-rocketted as access to the Internet has widened. Although other types of software are also distributed over the Internet, including public domain software, freeware and commercial demoware or crippleware, it is true to say that more shareware is available online than any other category of software. In view of the ubiquity of shareware it is surprising that there are no newsgroups in the "Big 8" hierarchies specifically devoted to it. The closest to such newsgroups that already exists is the sub- hierarchy alt.comp.shareware.*, of which the three primary groups are alt.comp.shareware, alt.comp.shareware.authors and alt.comp.shareware.programmer. A significant shortcoming of the existing alt.comp.shareware.* groups is the limitation on their distribution which is inherent in their relegation to the alt hierarchy. Another problem with the groups is the large number of off-topic posts and cross-posts they receive, including requests for "cracks" and registration keys to overcome the registration incentives incorporated by many shareware authors in their programs. Furthermore the groups alt.comp.shareware.authors and alt.comp.shareware.programmer are commonly cross-posted between, and it would be difficult to justify the retention of both groups in the new sub-hierarchy proposed here. It is impractical to moderate groups in the alt hierarchy because of the ease with which their status can be changed back to unmoderated. It is therefore proposed that three new moderated groups be formed in the existing comp.software.* sub-hierarchy. The proposed newsgroup comp.software.shareware.users will serve a similar purpose to alt.comp.shareware, but will be moderated to filter messages falling outside the group's charter. Likewise, the proposed newsgroup comp.software.shareware.authors will be a moderated group serving similar purposes to both alt.comp.shareware.authors and alt.comp.shareware.programmer. The proposed newsgroup comp.software.shareware.announce will be solely to provide a forum for announcements of releases of new shareware products and resources. Note that this proposal does NOT advocate the removal of the alt.comp.shareware.* groups. CHARTER: comp.software.shareware.announce This is a moderated newsgroup, intended for informational announcements related to shareware products and resources. Without limitation, appropriate topics may include: Announcements of new shareware releases. Announcements of shareware FTP and WWW archives. Announcements regarding shareware related services, such as credit card registration services. This group is not intended for discussion about shareware, and followups to articles in this group should be posted elsewhere. Commercial advertisements are not acceptable except insofar as they are bona fide one-off announcments of new shareware products or services. Announcements relating to other forms of software such as freeware and public domain software are not appropriate for this newsgroup. Crossposting between this newsgroup and other comp.software.shareware.* newsgroups is strongly discouraged. END CHARTER. CHARTER: comp.software.shareware.authors This is a moderated newsgroup, intended for discussion related to the creation and sale of shareware software. Without limitation, acceptable postings may relate to: Development issues. Programming issues. Marketing techniques. Distribution techniques. Binary postings are not acceptable, although pointers to binary postings in appropriate binaries groups are. Commercial advertisements are not acceptable. Postings relating solely to other forms of software such as freeware and public domain software are not appropriate for this newsgroup. Crossposting between this newsgroup and other comp.software.shareware.* newsgroups is strongly discouraged. END CHARTER. CHARTER: comp.software.shareware.users This is a moderated newsgroup, intended for discussion related to the use of shareware software. Without limitation, acceptable postings may relate to: Support questions. Bugs, fixes and workarounds. Usage tips. Shareware reviews and comparisons. Binary postings are not acceptable, although pointers to binary postings in appropriate binaries groups are. Commercial advertisements are not acceptable. Postings relating solely to other forms of software such as freeware and public domain software are not appropriate for this newsgroup. Crossposting between this newsgroup and other comp.software.shareware.* newsgroups is strongly discouraged. END CHARTER. MODERATOR INFO: comp.software.shareware.announce Moderator: Jeremy Malcolm Administrative contact address: cssan-admin@odyssey.apana.org.au Article submission address: cssan-submit@odyssey.apana.org.au Moderation of comp.software.shareware.announce will initially be conducted by a combination of human and robomoderation. Articles by new authors must be approved by the human moderator. Subsequent articles by the same authors will be automatically approved by the robomoderator, so long as they are not: Binary files. Cross-posted to five or more newsgroups. Commercial or personal advertisements falling outside the charter. Information about or requests for cracks or registration keys. The moderation algorithm will be modified from time to time as may be required. Articles that are rejected by the human or robomoderator will be returned to the author along with an explanation of the rejection. No appeal process is proposed. END MODERATOR INFO. MODERATOR INFO: comp.software.shareware.authors Moderator: Jeremy Malcolm Administrative contact address: cssa-admin@odyssey.apana.org.au Article submission address: cssa-submit@odyssey.apana.org.au Moderation of comp.software.shareware.authors will initially be conducted by an automated robomoderation script which will reject postings that are: Binary files. Cross-posted to five or more newsgroups. Commercial or personal advertisements falling outside the charter. Information about or requests for cracks or registration keys. The moderation algorithm will be modified from time to time as may be required. The robomoderator may be supplemented, or replaced, by a human moderator if robomoderation does not prove sufficient. Articles that are rejected by the robomoderator will be returned to the author along with an explanation of the rejection. No appeal process is proposed. END MODERATOR INFO. MODERATOR INFO: comp.software.shareware.users Moderator: Jeremy Malcolm Administrative contact address: cssu-admin@odyssey.apana.org.au Article submission address: cssu-submit@odyssey.apana.org.au Moderation of comp.software.shareware.users will initially be conducted by an automated robomoderation script which will reject postings that are: Binary files. Cross-posted to five or more newsgroups. Commercial or personal advertisements falling outside the charter. Information about or requests for cracks or registration keys. The moderation algorithm will be modified from time to time as may be required. The robomoderator may be supplemented, or replaced, by a human moderator if robomoderation does not prove sufficient. Articles that are rejected by the robomoderator will be returned to the author along with an explanation of the rejection. No appeal process is proposed. END MODERATOR INFO. comp.software.shareware.* moderated Final Vote Ack comp.software.shareware.users -----+ comp.software.shareware.authors ----+| comp.software.shareware.announce ---+|| ||| ahti@mail1.i1.net Ahti Eric Rovainen YYY aivasyuk@clark.net Anatoly Ivasyuk YYY andyk@sentient-sys.com Andy Kish YYY arielle@taronga.com Stephanie da Silva YYY aryehs@touro.edu Aryeh L. Silverberg YYY atekant@locutuscodeware.com Argun Tekant YYY bannist7@cs.man.ac.uk Tim Bannister YNY barry.salter@pemail.net Barry Salter YYY bluefthr@earthlink.net J Perez YYY bobc@oz.net Bob Clark YYY booda@datasync.com Martin H. Booda NNN bwilliam@u.washington.edu Barbara Williams YYY calabres@chass.utoronto.ca Tony Calabrese YYY ch865@freenet.carleton.ca Yves Pelletier YYY chris.hart@poboxes.com YYY chris@aimnet.net Christopher Robin Zimmerman Y-Y chris@chrism.demon.co.uk Chris Marriott YYY chriseb@nortel.ca Chris Ebenezer NYN chuckhoffmann@mindspring.com Chuck Hoffmann YYY curtis_whalen@hotmail.com Curtis [Jewell] Whalen YYY d@idiom.com d NNN dan.langille@dvl.co.nz Dan Langille YYY dave@musical.demon.co.uk Dave Webber YYY davemac@atlantic.oaktree.co.uk David McCormack YYY daveydee@nospam.demon.co.uk dave {stejonda} YYY David.Robinson@Eng.Sun.COM David Robinson NNN dballard@cs.com Don Ballard YYY ddf90695@dialip.sdn.dk Hans-Henrik T. Ohlsen YYY deb@nospam.tink.com YYY djoh003@cs.auckland.ac.nz Daniel Peter Johns Y-Y dmyobe@baobab.cszim.co.zw Douglas M Yobe YYY donmoe@ix.netcom.nospam.com Don Moe YYY doren@slonet.org Doren Rosenthal NNN dougob@ix.netcom.com Doug O'Brien YNN eggert@twinsun.com Paul Eggert NNN Ekkehard.Uthke@gmx.de Ekkehard Uthke YYY esand@azstarnet.com Eric Sandrich YYY Flavio.Antonioli@flashnet.it Flavio Antonioli YYY franckey@imaginet.fr Franckey Rougane YYY fred@eatel.net Frederick J. Barnett YYY fullerm@SpamKiller-Remove.colteng.com Mike E. Fullerton YYY fxms211@RZ.uni-frankfurt.de Oliver Breuer YYY gavan@magna.com.au Gavan Schneider YYY gbacon@adtran.com Greg Bacon NNN geisler@chad.ece.nwu.edu Jonathan Geisler Y-- grumpy@en.com Seymour Dupa YYY guymacon@deltanet.com Guy Macon --- gwailo@globalnet.co.uk CHRIS BOLTON YYY hermannrg@erols.com hermannrg YYY hfung@lerami.lerctr.org Hank Fung YNN hkantola@ling.helsinki.fi Heikki Kantola NNN hmueller@maxsolns.com Harry Mueller YYY hughdohi@flashemail.com Hugh Dohi NNN irina@rempt.xs2all.nl Irina Rempt YYY jasmine@fl.net.au Jasmine Taylor YYY jcw@meta4.com Jean-Claude Wippler YYY jeffery.hunt@ns.sympatico.ca Jeffery D. Hunt NNN jgardner@collaw.edu.au James Gardner YYY jhouchin@texoma.net Jimmie Houchin YYY jimrtex@pipeline.com Jim Riley NNN jkiernan@julian.uwo.ca J. A. Kiernan YYY jmccaul@iatcmail.ed.ray.com Joseph McCauley YYY JonTveten@Bigpond.com Jon Tveten YYY jorj@wsii.com Jorj Strumolo YYY jpc@drum.msfc.nasa.gov J. Porter Clark YYY jpoggen@freenet.columbus.oh.us J Poggenburg Y-Y js@null.net James Sears Y-- jsuchin@cgi.com Jenny Suchin Y-Y junga@leo.org Achim Jung YYY kimdv@best.com Kim DeVaughn YYY Kjell.Arne@online.no Kjell Arne Olsen YYY kkasemsa@th.oracle.com Khantipol Kasemsant YYY kkimes@lucent.com Kit Kimes YYY kmorgan@polarnet.com Kathy I. Morgan YYY kris@aimless.demon.co.uk Chris 'The Coca Cola Kid' Keen YYY krom@cgi.com Kevin M. Krom YYY leefi@halcyon.com Lee Fisher YYY list-votes@dream.hb.north.de Martin Schr"oder Y-- luriep@tiac.net pete lurie YYY marc.scheuner@berner.ch YYY mark@techop.co.uk Mark Williams YYY matt@brain.mics.net Matt Miller YYY matthew_stanton@lakeside.sea.wa.us Matthew Stanton,,, YYY MauriceV@bellsouth.net Maurice Valmont YYY mb@doh.health.nsw.gov.au Michael Bednarek YYY mbuto@freemail.co.za NNN meregalli@cesi.it Alberto Meregalli (DIF) YYY Mick.Brown@super.zippo.com Mick Brown YYY mrm@lerami.lerctr.org Ray Mullins YYY msoysal@mistik.express.net Mustafa Soysal MS57 NNN mtettmar@mjtnet.com Marcus Tettmar YYY nat@nataa.fr.eu.org Nat Makarevitch YYY ndallen@interlog.com Nigel Allen YYY nick@cimio.co.uk Nick Waterman YYY nl11891@pop3.worldaccess.nl Robert Joosten YYN olav@viking.mv.com Olav Nieuwejaar NNN oodie@hotmail.com Andy YYY p.h.u.s.t.a.v.a@i.n.l.i.n.k.c.o.m Paul Hustava NYY pan@syix.com Pan NNN patl@cag.lcs.mit.edu Patrick J. LoPresti NNN pfund3@uni2a.unige.ch Daniel Pfund YYY RB5@acpub.duke.edu Rob Beckers NYN red@rahul.net Red NNN rick@bcm.tmc.edu Richard H. Miller NNN robnews@nospam.demon.co.uk Rob Alexander YYY robtoc@dorsai.org Robert E. O'Connor YYY roesingere@indy.tce.com Eric G Roesinger YYY rossde@acm.org David Ross N-N roussin@genesis8.frmug.fr.net EMMANUEL ROUSSIN YYY sal@panix.com Salvatore Denaro YYY santoro@nio.dec.com Stefano M. Santoro YYY scoop@indy.net Bob Ostrander YYY scott@wwwebworld.com Scott Smith YNY seelhoff@sophsoft.com Gregg Seelhoff YYY selkowtz@u.washington.edu Jason T Selkowitz YYY sgwm@maitreya.demon.co.uk sgwm NNN shap.wolf@*spamguard*.asu.edu Shapard Wolf YYY simondi@cknow.com YYY simpson@netcom.com Bob Simpson YYY slam@clark.net Michael Glicksman YYN Spanner@larrrrrd.demon.co.uk Chris Hayes YNY stainles@bga.com Dwight Brown NNN steiners@primenet.com Jason and Heather NNN stu@valinor.mythical.com Stu Labovitz YYN taner@cadlab.tu-berlin.de H. Taner YYY techind@ilcnet.com YYY tenzil@io.com James Kiley YYY terminus@odyssey.apana.org.au Jeremy Malcolm YYY tfl@psp.co.uk Thomas Lee YYY tlawson@amug.org Todd C. Lawson YNN tony@alberich.demon.co.uk Tony Rawlinson YYY ts@UWasa.Fi Timo Salmi YYY upson@cableol.co.uk Nick Upson YYY victor@ivi.ugatu.ac.ru Victor Ishikeev YYY vpdura@hiwaay.net Vic Dura YYY w2jc@BellAtlantic.net Jim Cooper YYY wakelyn@pinn.net Tom Wakelyn NNN WellsCom@aol.com YYY westonj@ucs.orst.edu Jeff Weston YNY wheelgat@c-zone.net Steve King YYY wisanr@norwich.net Dick Wisan --- wjohn.nospam@fix.net Wolfgang John YYY wmcclain@salamander.com Bill McClain YYY wptoth@aol.com Wptoth YY- yan@storm.ca Yves Bellefeuille NNN yavuz.batmaz@mail.isbank.com.tr Yavuz Batmaz YYY young@botn.canterbury.ac.nz Graeme Young YYY zamfir@nettaxi.com Zamfir NNN Votes in error ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ coypartido@netpci.com coy partido ! No vote statement in message From csp@euro-share.com Thu Jul 16 23:45:10 1998 Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back From: "Tim Skipper (Proponent)" Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.comp.freeware,alt.comp.shareware,alt.comp.shareware.authors,alt.comp.shareware.for-kids,alt.comp.shareware.programmer,comp.programming Subject: RFD: comp.software.shareware.* moderated Followup-To: news.groups Message-ID: <900657746.1173@isc.org> Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org Archive-Name: comp.software.shareware Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 06:42:26 GMT Lines: 246 Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:10405 news.groups:291159 comp.programming:52865 REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD) moderated group comp.software.shareware.users moderated group comp.software.shareware.authors moderated group comp.software.shareware.announce Newsgroup lines: comp.software.shareware.announce Shareware announcements. (Moderated) comp.software.shareware.authors Creation of shareware. (Moderated) comp.software.shareware.users Use of shareware. (Moderated) This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the creation of the world-wide moderated Usenet newsgroups comp.software.shareware.users, comp.software.shareware.authors and comp.software.shareware.announce. This is not a Call for Votes (CFV); you cannot vote at this time. Procedural details are below. RATIONALE: all groups Shareware is software which may generally be freely distributed for evaluation purposes - sometimes referred to as Try-Before-Buy. After the expiration of a specified evaluation period or number of uses, the software must be registered usually by the payment of a fee to the author, either directly or through a third party. The popularity of shareware as a method of distribution of software has increased dramatically as access to the Internet has widened. Although other types of software are also distributed over the Internet, including public domain software, freeware and commercial demoware or crippleware, it is likely that more shareware is available online than any other category of software. In view of the ubiquity of shareware it is surprising that there are no newsgroups in the "Big 8" hierarchies specifically devoted to it. The closest to such newsgroups that already exists is the sub- hierarchy alt.comp.shareware.*, of which the three primary groups are alt.comp.shareware, alt.comp.shareware.authors and alt.comp.shareware.programmer. A significant shortcoming of the existing alt.comp.shareware.* groups is the limitation on their distribution which is inherent in their relegation to the alt hierarchy. Another problem with the groups is the large number of flame-wars, off-topic posts and cross-posts they receive, including requests for "cracks" and registration keys to overcome the registration incentives incorporated by many shareware authors in their programs. Furthermore the groups alt.comp.shareware and alt.comp.shareware.programmer are commonly cross-posted between, and it would be difficult to justify the retention of both groups in the new sub-hierarchy proposed here. It is impractical to moderate groups in the alt hierarchy because of the ease with which their status can be changed back to unmoderated and there is no desire to limit by process of moderation the discussion of those that participate in these newsgroups currently. It is therefore proposed that three new moderated groups be formed in the existing comp.software.* sub-hierarchy. The proposed newsgroup comp.software.shareware.users will serve a similar purpose to alt.comp.shareware, but will be moderated to filter messages falling outside the group's charter. Likewise, the proposed newsgroup comp.software.shareware.authors will be a moderated group serving similar purposes to both alt.comp.shareware.authors and alt.comp.shareware.programmer. The proposed newsgroup comp.software.shareware.announce will be solely to provide a forum for announcements of releases of new shareware products and resources. Note that this proposal does NOT advocate the removal of the alt.comp.shareware.* groups or any change in it's charter. CHARTER: comp.software.shareware.users This is a moderated newsgroup, intended for discussion related to the use of shareware software. Without limitation, acceptable postings may relate to: Support questions. Bugs, fixes and workarounds. Usage tips. Shareware reviews and comparisons. Binary postings are not acceptable, although pointers to binary postings in appropriate binaries groups are. Commercial advertisements are not acceptable. Cross-posting between this newsgroup and other comp.software.shareware.* newsgroups is not acceptable. END CHARTER. MODERATOR INFO: comp.software.shareware.users Moderator: Scott Kane Moderator: Tim Skipper Administrative contact address: Article submission address: Moderation of comp.software.shareware.users will initially be conducted by manual human intervention which will reject postings that are: Binary files. Cross-posted to more than three other newsgroups. Cross-posted from the alt.comp.shareware.* hierarchy. Commercial or personal advertisements falling outside the charter. Information about or requests for warez, cracks or registration keys. Designed to flame, offend or annoy other readers of the newsgroup. The human moderators may be supplemented by additional human moderators if necessary and may also be supplemented by robomoderation if deemed appropriate by the Moderator. Details of the robomoderation algorithm, if any, in use at a given time will be supplied on request to the administrative contact address. Articles that are rejected by the moderation process will be returned to the author along with an explanation of the rejection. No appeal process is proposed. END MODERATOR INFO. CHARTER: comp.software.shareware.authors This is a moderated newsgroup, intended for discussion related to the creation and sale of shareware software. Without limitation, acceptable postings may relate to: Development issues. Programming issues. Marketing techniques. Distribution techniques. Binary postings are not acceptable, although pointers to binary postings in appropriate binaries groups are. Commercial advertisements are not acceptable except insofar as they are bona fide one-off announcements of new shareware products. Cross-posting between this newsgroup and other comp.software.shareware.* newsgroups is not acceptable. END CHARTER. MODERATOR INFO: comp.software.shareware.authors Moderator: Scott Kane Moderator: Tim Skipper Administrative contact address: Article submission address: Moderation of comp.software.shareware.authors will initially be conducted by manual human intervention which will reject postings that are: Binary files. Cross-posted to three or more newsgroups. Cross-posted from the alt.comp.shareware.* hierarchy. Commercial or personal advertisements falling outside the charter. Information about or requests for warez, cracks or registration keys. Designed to flame, offend or annoy other readers of the newsgroup. The human moderators may be supplemented by additional human moderators if necessary and may also be supplemented by robomoderation if deemed appropriate by the Moderator. Details of the robomoderation algorithm, if any, in use at a given time will be supplied on request to the administrative contact address. Articles that are rejected by the moderation process will be returned to the author along with an explanation of the rejection. No appeal process is proposed. END MODERATOR INFO. CHARTER: comp.software.shareware.announce This is a moderated newsgroup, intended for informational announcements related to shareware products and resources. Without limitation, appropriate topics may include: Announcements of new shareware releases. Announcements of shareware FTP and WWW archives. Announcements regarding shareware related services, such as credit card registration services. This group is not intended for discussion about shareware, and follow-ups to articles in this group should be posted elsewhere. Commercial advertisements are not acceptable except insofar as they are bona fide one-off announcements of new shareware products or services. Cross-posting between this newsgroup and other comp.software.shareware.* groups is not acceptable. END CHARTER. MODERATOR INFO: comp.software.shareware.announce Moderator: Scott Kane Moderator: Tim Skipper Administrative contact address: Article submission address: Moderation of comp.software.shareware.announce will initially be conducted by manual human intervention which will reject postings that are: Binary files. Cross-posted to three or more newsgroups. Cross-posted from the alt.comp.shareware.* hierarchy. Commercial or personal advertisements falling outside the charter. Information about or requests for warez, cracks or registration keys. Designed to flame, offend or annoy other readers of the newsgroup. The human moderators may be supplemented by additional human moderators if necessary and may also be supplemented by robomoderation if deemed appropriate by the Moderator. Details of the robomoderation algorithm, if any, in use at a given time will be supplied on request to the administrative contact address. Articles that are rejected by the moderation process will be returned to the author along with an explanation of the rejection. No appeal process is proposed. END MODERATOR INFO. PROCEDURE: This is a request for discussion, not a call for votes. In this phase of the process, any potential problems with the proposed newsgroups should be raised and resolved. The discussion period will continue for a minimum of 21 days (starting from when the first RFD for this proposal is posted to news.announce.newgroups), after which a Call For Votes (CFV) may be posted by a neutral vote taker if the discussion warrants it. Please do not attempt to vote until this happens. All discussion of this proposal should be posted to news.groups. This RFD attempts to comply fully with the Usenet newsgroup creation guidelines outlined in "How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup" and "How to Format and Submit a New Group Proposal". Please refer to these documents (available in news.announce.newgroups) if you have any questions about the process. DISTRIBUTION: This RFD has been posted to the following newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, comp.programming, alt.comp.shareware, alt.comp.shareware.authors, alt.comp.shareware.programmer, alt.comp.shareware.for-kids, alt.comp.freeware. Proponent: Tim Skipper From csp@euro-share.com Fri Jul 17 04:24:39 1998 Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back From: "Tim Skipper (Proponent)" Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.comp.freeware,alt.comp.shareware,alt.comp.shareware.authors,alt.comp.shareware.for-kids,alt.comp.shareware.programmer,comp.programming Subject: RFD: comp.software.shareware.* moderated Followup-To: news.groups Message-ID: <900674669.22444@isc.org> Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org Archive-Name: comp.software.shareware Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 06:42:26 GMT Lines: 246 Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:10413 news.groups:291188 comp.programming:52877 REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD) moderated group comp.software.shareware.users moderated group comp.software.shareware.authors moderated group comp.software.shareware.announce Newsgroup lines: comp.software.shareware.announce Shareware announcements. (Moderated) comp.software.shareware.authors Creation of shareware. (Moderated) comp.software.shareware.users Use of shareware. (Moderated) This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the creation of the world-wide moderated Usenet newsgroups comp.software.shareware.users, comp.software.shareware.authors and comp.software.shareware.announce. This is not a Call for Votes (CFV); you cannot vote at this time. Procedural details are below. RATIONALE: all groups Shareware is software which may generally be freely distributed for evaluation purposes - sometimes referred to as Try-Before-Buy. After the expiration of a specified evaluation period or number of uses, the software must be registered usually by the payment of a fee to the author, either directly or through a third party. The popularity of shareware as a method of distribution of software has increased dramatically as access to the Internet has widened. Although other types of software are also distributed over the Internet, including public domain software, freeware and commercial demoware or crippleware, it is likely that more shareware is available online than any other category of software. In view of the ubiquity of shareware it is surprising that there are no newsgroups in the "Big 8" hierarchies specifically devoted to it. The closest to such newsgroups that already exists is the sub- hierarchy alt.comp.shareware.*, of which the three primary groups are alt.comp.shareware, alt.comp.shareware.authors and alt.comp.shareware.programmer. A significant shortcoming of the existing alt.comp.shareware.* groups is the limitation on their distribution which is inherent in their relegation to the alt hierarchy. Another problem with the groups is the large number of flame-wars, off-topic posts and cross-posts they receive, including requests for "cracks" and registration keys to overcome the registration incentives incorporated by many shareware authors in their programs. Furthermore the groups alt.comp.shareware and alt.comp.shareware.programmer are commonly cross-posted between, and it would be difficult to justify the retention of both groups in the new sub-hierarchy proposed here. It is impractical to moderate groups in the alt hierarchy because of the ease with which their status can be changed back to unmoderated and there is no desire to limit by process of moderation the discussion of those that participate in these newsgroups currently. It is therefore proposed that three new moderated groups be formed in the existing comp.software.* sub-hierarchy. The proposed newsgroup comp.software.shareware.users will serve a similar purpose to alt.comp.shareware, but will be moderated to filter messages falling outside the group's charter. Likewise, the proposed newsgroup comp.software.shareware.authors will be a moderated group serving similar purposes to both alt.comp.shareware.authors and alt.comp.shareware.programmer. The proposed newsgroup comp.software.shareware.announce will be solely to provide a forum for announcements of releases of new shareware products and resources. Note that this proposal does NOT advocate the removal of the alt.comp.shareware.* groups or any change in it's charter. CHARTER: comp.software.shareware.users This is a moderated newsgroup, intended for discussion related to the use of shareware software. Without limitation, acceptable postings may relate to: Support questions. Bugs, fixes and workarounds. Usage tips. Shareware reviews and comparisons. Binary postings are not acceptable, although pointers to binary postings in appropriate binaries groups are. Commercial advertisements are not acceptable. Cross-posting between this newsgroup and other comp.software.shareware.* newsgroups is not acceptable. END CHARTER. MODERATOR INFO: comp.software.shareware.users Moderator: Scott Kane Moderator: Tim Skipper Administrative contact address: Article submission address: Moderation of comp.software.shareware.users will initially be conducted by manual human intervention which will reject postings that are: Binary files. Cross-posted to more than three other newsgroups. Cross-posted from the alt.comp.shareware.* hierarchy. Commercial or personal advertisements falling outside the charter. Information about or requests for warez, cracks or registration keys. Designed to flame, offend or annoy other readers of the newsgroup. The human moderators may be supplemented by additional human moderators if necessary and may also be supplemented by robomoderation if deemed appropriate by the Moderator. Details of the robomoderation algorithm, if any, in use at a given time will be supplied on request to the administrative contact address. Articles that are rejected by the moderation process will be returned to the author along with an explanation of the rejection. No appeal process is proposed. END MODERATOR INFO. CHARTER: comp.software.shareware.authors This is a moderated newsgroup, intended for discussion related to the creation and sale of shareware software. Without limitation, acceptable postings may relate to: Development issues. Programming issues. Marketing techniques. Distribution techniques. Binary postings are not acceptable, although pointers to binary postings in appropriate binaries groups are. Commercial advertisements are not acceptable except insofar as they are bona fide one-off announcements of new shareware products. Cross-posting between this newsgroup and other comp.software.shareware.* newsgroups is not acceptable. END CHARTER. MODERATOR INFO: comp.software.shareware.authors Moderator: Scott Kane Moderator: Tim Skipper Administrative contact address: Article submission address: Moderation of comp.software.shareware.authors will initially be conducted by manual human intervention which will reject postings that are: Binary files. Cross-posted to three or more newsgroups. Cross-posted from the alt.comp.shareware.* hierarchy. Commercial or personal advertisements falling outside the charter. Information about or requests for warez, cracks or registration keys. Designed to flame, offend or annoy other readers of the newsgroup. The human moderators may be supplemented by additional human moderators if necessary and may also be supplemented by robomoderation if deemed appropriate by the Moderator. Details of the robomoderation algorithm, if any, in use at a given time will be supplied on request to the administrative contact address. Articles that are rejected by the moderation process will be returned to the author along with an explanation of the rejection. No appeal process is proposed. END MODERATOR INFO. CHARTER: comp.software.shareware.announce This is a moderated newsgroup, intended for informational announcements related to shareware products and resources. Without limitation, appropriate topics may include: Announcements of new shareware releases. Announcements of shareware FTP and WWW archives. Announcements regarding shareware related services, such as credit card registration services. This group is not intended for discussion about shareware, and follow-ups to articles in this group should be posted elsewhere. Commercial advertisements are not acceptable except insofar as they are bona fide one-off announcements of new shareware products or services. Cross-posting between this newsgroup and other comp.software.shareware.* groups is not acceptable. END CHARTER. MODERATOR INFO: comp.software.shareware.announce Moderator: Scott Kane Moderator: Tim Skipper Administrative contact address: Article submission address: Moderation of comp.software.shareware.announce will initially be conducted by manual human intervention which will reject postings that are: Binary files. Cross-posted to three or more newsgroups. Cross-posted from the alt.comp.shareware.* hierarchy. Commercial or personal advertisements falling outside the charter. Information about or requests for warez, cracks or registration keys. Designed to flame, offend or annoy other readers of the newsgroup. The human moderators may be supplemented by additional human moderators if necessary and may also be supplemented by robomoderation if deemed appropriate by the Moderator. Details of the robomoderation algorithm, if any, in use at a given time will be supplied on request to the administrative contact address. Articles that are rejected by the moderation process will be returned to the author along with an explanation of the rejection. No appeal process is proposed. END MODERATOR INFO. PROCEDURE: This is a request for discussion, not a call for votes. In this phase of the process, any potential problems with the proposed newsgroups should be raised and resolved. The discussion period will continue for a minimum of 21 days (starting from when the first RFD for this proposal is posted to news.announce.newgroups), after which a Call For Votes (CFV) may be posted by a neutral vote taker if the discussion warrants it. Please do not attempt to vote until this happens. All discussion of this proposal should be posted to news.groups. This RFD attempts to comply fully with the Usenet newsgroup creation guidelines outlined in "How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup" and "How to Format and Submit a New Group Proposal". Please refer to these documents (available in news.announce.newgroups) if you have any questions about the process. DISTRIBUTION: This RFD has been posted to the following newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, comp.programming, alt.comp.shareware, alt.comp.shareware.authors, alt.comp.shareware.programmer, alt.comp.shareware.for-kids, alt.comp.freeware. Proponent: Tim Skipper From csp@euro-share.com Fri Jul 17 06:42:00 1998 Path: news.isc.org!data.pa.vix.com!sonysjc!sanjose-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.corridex.com!howland.erols.net!cs.utexas.edu!utnut!nott!bcarh189.bnr.ca!nrchh45.us.nortel.com!hipcancel!despams.ocunix.on.ca!resurrector!not-for-mail Message-ID: X-Reposted-By: dave@ferret.ocunix.on.ca X-Original-Path: ...!news3.bellglobal.com!news1.bellglobal.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news2.ais.net!jamie!ais.net!uunet!in4.uu.net!news.isc.org!bounce-back From: "Tim Skipper (Proponent)" Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.comp.freeware,alt.comp.shareware,alt.comp.shareware.authors,alt.comp.shareware.for-kids,alt.comp.shareware.programmer,comp.programming Subject: REPOST: RFD: comp.software.shareware.* moderated Followup-To: news.groups X-Original-Message-ID: <900674669.22444@isc.org> Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org Archive-Name: comp.software.shareware Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 06:42:26 GMT X-Comments: DtR Repost: The following Usenet article was cancelled, X-Comments: more than likely by someone other than the original poster. X-Comments: Please see the end of this posting for a copy of the cancel. X-Comments: Dave the Resurrector can be contacted at dave@ferret.ocunix.on.ca Lines: 263 Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:10420 news.groups:291211 comp.programming:52887 REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD) moderated group comp.software.shareware.users moderated group comp.software.shareware.authors moderated group comp.software.shareware.announce Newsgroup lines: comp.software.shareware.announce Shareware announcements. (Moderated) comp.software.shareware.authors Creation of shareware. (Moderated) comp.software.shareware.users Use of shareware. (Moderated) This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the creation of the world-wide moderated Usenet newsgroups comp.software.shareware.users, comp.software.shareware.authors and comp.software.shareware.announce. This is not a Call for Votes (CFV); you cannot vote at this time. Procedural details are below. RATIONALE: all groups Shareware is software which may generally be freely distributed for evaluation purposes - sometimes referred to as Try-Before-Buy. After the expiration of a specified evaluation period or number of uses, the software must be registered usually by the payment of a fee to the author, either directly or through a third party. The popularity of shareware as a method of distribution of software has increased dramatically as access to the Internet has widened. Although other types of software are also distributed over the Internet, including public domain software, freeware and commercial demoware or crippleware, it is likely that more shareware is available online than any other category of software. In view of the ubiquity of shareware it is surprising that there are no newsgroups in the "Big 8" hierarchies specifically devoted to it. The closest to such newsgroups that already exists is the sub- hierarchy alt.comp.shareware.*, of which the three primary groups are alt.comp.shareware, alt.comp.shareware.authors and alt.comp.shareware.programmer. A significant shortcoming of the existing alt.comp.shareware.* groups is the limitation on their distribution which is inherent in their relegation to the alt hierarchy. Another problem with the groups is the large number of flame-wars, off-topic posts and cross-posts they receive, including requests for "cracks" and registration keys to overcome the registration incentives incorporated by many shareware authors in their programs. Furthermore the groups alt.comp.shareware and alt.comp.shareware.programmer are commonly cross-posted between, and it would be difficult to justify the retention of both groups in the new sub-hierarchy proposed here. It is impractical to moderate groups in the alt hierarchy because of the ease with which their status can be changed back to unmoderated and there is no desire to limit by process of moderation the discussion of those that participate in these newsgroups currently. It is therefore proposed that three new moderated groups be formed in the existing comp.software.* sub-hierarchy. The proposed newsgroup comp.software.shareware.users will serve a similar purpose to alt.comp.shareware, but will be moderated to filter messages falling outside the group's charter. Likewise, the proposed newsgroup comp.software.shareware.authors will be a moderated group serving similar purposes to both alt.comp.shareware.authors and alt.comp.shareware.programmer. The proposed newsgroup comp.software.shareware.announce will be solely to provide a forum for announcements of releases of new shareware products and resources. Note that this proposal does NOT advocate the removal of the alt.comp.shareware.* groups or any change in it's charter. CHARTER: comp.software.shareware.users This is a moderated newsgroup, intended for discussion related to the use of shareware software. Without limitation, acceptable postings may relate to: Support questions. Bugs, fixes and workarounds. Usage tips. Shareware reviews and comparisons. Binary postings are not acceptable, although pointers to binary postings in appropriate binaries groups are. Commercial advertisements are not acceptable. Cross-posting between this newsgroup and other comp.software.shareware.* newsgroups is not acceptable. END CHARTER. MODERATOR INFO: comp.software.shareware.users Moderator: Scott Kane Moderator: Tim Skipper Administrative contact address: Article submission address: Moderation of comp.software.shareware.users will initially be conducted by manual human intervention which will reject postings that are: Binary files. Cross-posted to more than three other newsgroups. Cross-posted from the alt.comp.shareware.* hierarchy. Commercial or personal advertisements falling outside the charter. Information about or requests for warez, cracks or registration keys. Designed to flame, offend or annoy other readers of the newsgroup. The human moderators may be supplemented by additional human moderators if necessary and may also be supplemented by robomoderation if deemed appropriate by the Moderator. Details of the robomoderation algorithm, if any, in use at a given time will be supplied on request to the administrative contact address. Articles that are rejected by the moderation process will be returned to the author along with an explanation of the rejection. No appeal process is proposed. END MODERATOR INFO. CHARTER: comp.software.shareware.authors This is a moderated newsgroup, intended for discussion related to the creation and sale of shareware software. Without limitation, acceptable postings may relate to: Development issues. Programming issues. Marketing techniques. Distribution techniques. Binary postings are not acceptable, although pointers to binary postings in appropriate binaries groups are. Commercial advertisements are not acceptable except insofar as they are bona fide one-off announcements of new shareware products. Cross-posting between this newsgroup and other comp.software.shareware.* newsgroups is not acceptable. END CHARTER. MODERATOR INFO: comp.software.shareware.authors Moderator: Scott Kane Moderator: Tim Skipper Administrative contact address: Article submission address: Moderation of comp.software.shareware.authors will initially be conducted by manual human intervention which will reject postings that are: Binary files. Cross-posted to three or more newsgroups. Cross-posted from the alt.comp.shareware.* hierarchy. Commercial or personal advertisements falling outside the charter. Information about or requests for warez, cracks or registration keys. Designed to flame, offend or annoy other readers of the newsgroup. The human moderators may be supplemented by additional human moderators if necessary and may also be supplemented by robomoderation if deemed appropriate by the Moderator. Details of the robomoderation algorithm, if any, in use at a given time will be supplied on request to the administrative contact address. Articles that are rejected by the moderation process will be returned to the author along with an explanation of the rejection. No appeal process is proposed. END MODERATOR INFO. CHARTER: comp.software.shareware.announce This is a moderated newsgroup, intended for informational announcements related to shareware products and resources. Without limitation, appropriate topics may include: Announcements of new shareware releases. Announcements of shareware FTP and WWW archives. Announcements regarding shareware related services, such as credit card registration services. This group is not intended for discussion about shareware, and follow-ups to articles in this group should be posted elsewhere. Commercial advertisements are not acceptable except insofar as they are bona fide one-off announcements of new shareware products or services. Cross-posting between this newsgroup and other comp.software.shareware.* groups is not acceptable. END CHARTER. MODERATOR INFO: comp.software.shareware.announce Moderator: Scott Kane Moderator: Tim Skipper Administrative contact address: Article submission address: Moderation of comp.software.shareware.announce will initially be conducted by manual human intervention which will reject postings that are: Binary files. Cross-posted to three or more newsgroups. Cross-posted from the alt.comp.shareware.* hierarchy. Commercial or personal advertisements falling outside the charter. Information about or requests for warez, cracks or registration keys. Designed to flame, offend or annoy other readers of the newsgroup. The human moderators may be supplemented by additional human moderators if necessary and may also be supplemented by robomoderation if deemed appropriate by the Moderator. Details of the robomoderation algorithm, if any, in use at a given time will be supplied on request to the administrative contact address. Articles that are rejected by the moderation process will be returned to the author along with an explanation of the rejection. No appeal process is proposed. END MODERATOR INFO. PROCEDURE: This is a request for discussion, not a call for votes. In this phase of the process, any potential problems with the proposed newsgroups should be raised and resolved. The discussion period will continue for a minimum of 21 days (starting from when the first RFD for this proposal is posted to news.announce.newgroups), after which a Call For Votes (CFV) may be posted by a neutral vote taker if the discussion warrants it. Please do not attempt to vote until this happens. All discussion of this proposal should be posted to news.groups. This RFD attempts to comply fully with the Usenet newsgroup creation guidelines outlined in "How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup" and "How to Format and Submit a New Group Proposal". Please refer to these documents (available in news.announce.newgroups) if you have any questions about the process. DISTRIBUTION: This RFD has been posted to the following newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, comp.programming, alt.comp.shareware, alt.comp.shareware.authors, alt.comp.shareware.programmer, alt.comp.shareware.for-kids, alt.comp.freeware. Proponent: Tim Skipper ========= WAS CANCELLED BY =======: Control: cancel <900674669.22444@isc.org> Subject: cmsg cancel <900674669.22444@isc.org> Message-ID: From: HipCrime@tuhv.gov Sender: "Tim Skipper (Proponent)" Approved: HipCrime@tuhv.gov Newsgroups: news.groups Date: 17 Jul 1998 12:47:44 GMT X-No-Archive: Yes Organization: HipCrime International, unLtd. NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.237.253.7 Lines: 2 Path: ...!howland.erols.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!rain.fr!194.250.238.3!nntp.HipCrime.new!cyberspam!hipcancel!usenet Cancelled by HipCrime's NewsAgent. From csp@euro-share.com Fri Jul 17 06:42:06 1998 Control: cancel Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back Message-ID: From: "Tim Skipper (Proponent)" Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.comp.freeware,alt.comp.shareware,alt.comp.shareware.authors,alt.comp.shareware.for-kids,alt.comp.shareware.programmer,comp.programming Subject: cmsg cancel Followup-To: news.groups Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org Archive-Name: comp.software.shareware Date: 17 Jul 98 13:42:01 GMT Lines: 2 Xref: news.isc.org control.cancel:2613788 Unapproved article for news.announce.newgroups auto-cancelled by daemon on behalf of moderator. From csp@euro-share.com Sat Jul 18 16:05:30 1998 Path: news.isc.org!data.pa.vix.com!sonysjc!sanjose-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.wli.net!newshub.northeast.verio.net!btnet-peer!btnet-feed2!btnet!bmdhh222.bnr.ca!bhars12c.bnr.co.uk!bcarh8ac.ca.nortel.com!bcarh189.bnr.ca!nrchh45.us.nortel.com!hipcancel!despams.ocunix.on.ca!resurrector!not-for-mail Message-ID: X-Reposted-By: dave@ferret.ocunix.on.ca X-Original-Path: zcarh46f.bnr.ca!nrchh45.us.nortel.com!hipcancel!despams.ocunix.on.ca!resurrector!not-for-mail X-Original-Message-ID: X-Reposted-By: dave@ferret.ocunix.on.ca X-Original-Path: ...!news3.bellglobal.com!news1.bellglobal.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news2.ais.net!jamie!ais.net!uunet!in4.uu.net!news.isc.org!bounce-back From: "Tim Skipper (Proponent)" Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.comp.freeware,alt.comp.shareware,alt.comp.shareware.authors,alt.comp.shareware.for-kids,alt.comp.shareware.programmer,comp.programming Subject: REPOST: RFD: comp.software.shareware.* moderated Followup-To: news.groups X-Original-Message-ID: <900674669.22444@isc.org> Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org Archive-Name: comp.software.shareware Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 06:42:26 GMT X-Comments: DtR Repost: The following Usenet article was cancelled, X-Comments: more than likely by someone other than the original poster. X-Comments: Please see the end of this posting for a copy of the cancel. X-Comments: Dave the Resurrector can be contacted at dave@ferret.ocunix.on.ca Lines: 281 Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:10435 news.groups:291505 comp.programming:52993 REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD) moderated group comp.software.shareware.users moderated group comp.software.shareware.authors moderated group comp.software.shareware.announce Newsgroup lines: comp.software.shareware.announce Shareware announcements. (Moderated) comp.software.shareware.authors Creation of shareware. (Moderated) comp.software.shareware.users Use of shareware. (Moderated) This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the creation of the world-wide moderated Usenet newsgroups comp.software.shareware.users, comp.software.shareware.authors and comp.software.shareware.announce. This is not a Call for Votes (CFV); you cannot vote at this time. Procedural details are below. RATIONALE: all groups Shareware is software which may generally be freely distributed for evaluation purposes - sometimes referred to as Try-Before-Buy. After the expiration of a specified evaluation period or number of uses, the software must be registered usually by the payment of a fee to the author, either directly or through a third party. The popularity of shareware as a method of distribution of software has increased dramatically as access to the Internet has widened. Although other types of software are also distributed over the Internet, including public domain software, freeware and commercial demoware or crippleware, it is likely that more shareware is available online than any other category of software. In view of the ubiquity of shareware it is surprising that there are no newsgroups in the "Big 8" hierarchies specifically devoted to it. The closest to such newsgroups that already exists is the sub- hierarchy alt.comp.shareware.*, of which the three primary groups are alt.comp.shareware, alt.comp.shareware.authors and alt.comp.shareware.programmer. A significant shortcoming of the existing alt.comp.shareware.* groups is the limitation on their distribution which is inherent in their relegation to the alt hierarchy. Another problem with the groups is the large number of flame-wars, off-topic posts and cross-posts they receive, including requests for "cracks" and registration keys to overcome the registration incentives incorporated by many shareware authors in their programs. Furthermore the groups alt.comp.shareware and alt.comp.shareware.programmer are commonly cross-posted between, and it would be difficult to justify the retention of both groups in the new sub-hierarchy proposed here. It is impractical to moderate groups in the alt hierarchy because of the ease with which their status can be changed back to unmoderated and there is no desire to limit by process of moderation the discussion of those that participate in these newsgroups currently. It is therefore proposed that three new moderated groups be formed in the existing comp.software.* sub-hierarchy. The proposed newsgroup comp.software.shareware.users will serve a similar purpose to alt.comp.shareware, but will be moderated to filter messages falling outside the group's charter. Likewise, the proposed newsgroup comp.software.shareware.authors will be a moderated group serving similar purposes to both alt.comp.shareware.authors and alt.comp.shareware.programmer. The proposed newsgroup comp.software.shareware.announce will be solely to provide a forum for announcements of releases of new shareware products and resources. Note that this proposal does NOT advocate the removal of the alt.comp.shareware.* groups or any change in it's charter. CHARTER: comp.software.shareware.users This is a moderated newsgroup, intended for discussion related to the use of shareware software. Without limitation, acceptable postings may relate to: Support questions. Bugs, fixes and workarounds. Usage tips. Shareware reviews and comparisons. Binary postings are not acceptable, although pointers to binary postings in appropriate binaries groups are. Commercial advertisements are not acceptable. Cross-posting between this newsgroup and other comp.software.shareware.* newsgroups is not acceptable. END CHARTER. MODERATOR INFO: comp.software.shareware.users Moderator: Scott Kane Moderator: Tim Skipper Administrative contact address: Article submission address: Moderation of comp.software.shareware.users will initially be conducted by manual human intervention which will reject postings that are: Binary files. Cross-posted to more than three other newsgroups. Cross-posted from the alt.comp.shareware.* hierarchy. Commercial or personal advertisements falling outside the charter. Information about or requests for warez, cracks or registration keys. Designed to flame, offend or annoy other readers of the newsgroup. The human moderators may be supplemented by additional human moderators if necessary and may also be supplemented by robomoderation if deemed appropriate by the Moderator. Details of the robomoderation algorithm, if any, in use at a given time will be supplied on request to the administrative contact address. Articles that are rejected by the moderation process will be returned to the author along with an explanation of the rejection. No appeal process is proposed. END MODERATOR INFO. CHARTER: comp.software.shareware.authors This is a moderated newsgroup, intended for discussion related to the creation and sale of shareware software. Without limitation, acceptable postings may relate to: Development issues. Programming issues. Marketing techniques. Distribution techniques. Binary postings are not acceptable, although pointers to binary postings in appropriate binaries groups are. Commercial advertisements are not acceptable except insofar as they are bona fide one-off announcements of new shareware products. Cross-posting between this newsgroup and other comp.software.shareware.* newsgroups is not acceptable. END CHARTER. MODERATOR INFO: comp.software.shareware.authors Moderator: Scott Kane Moderator: Tim Skipper Administrative contact address: Article submission address: Moderation of comp.software.shareware.authors will initially be conducted by manual human intervention which will reject postings that are: Binary files. Cross-posted to three or more newsgroups. Cross-posted from the alt.comp.shareware.* hierarchy. Commercial or personal advertisements falling outside the charter. Information about or requests for warez, cracks or registration keys. Designed to flame, offend or annoy other readers of the newsgroup. The human moderators may be supplemented by additional human moderators if necessary and may also be supplemented by robomoderation if deemed appropriate by the Moderator. Details of the robomoderation algorithm, if any, in use at a given time will be supplied on request to the administrative contact address. Articles that are rejected by the moderation process will be returned to the author along with an explanation of the rejection. No appeal process is proposed. END MODERATOR INFO. CHARTER: comp.software.shareware.announce This is a moderated newsgroup, intended for informational announcements related to shareware products and resources. Without limitation, appropriate topics may include: Announcements of new shareware releases. Announcements of shareware FTP and WWW archives. Announcements regarding shareware related services, such as credit card registration services. This group is not intended for discussion about shareware, and follow-ups to articles in this group should be posted elsewhere. Commercial advertisements are not acceptable except insofar as they are bona fide one-off announcements of new shareware products or services. Cross-posting between this newsgroup and other comp.software.shareware.* groups is not acceptable. END CHARTER. MODERATOR INFO: comp.software.shareware.announce Moderator: Scott Kane Moderator: Tim Skipper Administrative contact address: Article submission address: Moderation of comp.software.shareware.announce will initially be conducted by manual human intervention which will reject postings that are: Binary files. Cross-posted to three or more newsgroups. Cross-posted from the alt.comp.shareware.* hierarchy. Commercial or personal advertisements falling outside the charter. Information about or requests for warez, cracks or registration keys. Designed to flame, offend or annoy other readers of the newsgroup. The human moderators may be supplemented by additional human moderators if necessary and may also be supplemented by robomoderation if deemed appropriate by the Moderator. Details of the robomoderation algorithm, if any, in use at a given time will be supplied on request to the administrative contact address. Articles that are rejected by the moderation process will be returned to the author along with an explanation of the rejection. No appeal process is proposed. END MODERATOR INFO. PROCEDURE: This is a request for discussion, not a call for votes. In this phase of the process, any potential problems with the proposed newsgroups should be raised and resolved. The discussion period will continue for a minimum of 21 days (starting from when the first RFD for this proposal is posted to news.announce.newgroups), after which a Call For Votes (CFV) may be posted by a neutral vote taker if the discussion warrants it. Please do not attempt to vote until this happens. All discussion of this proposal should be posted to news.groups. This RFD attempts to comply fully with the Usenet newsgroup creation guidelines outlined in "How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup" and "How to Format and Submit a New Group Proposal". Please refer to these documents (available in news.announce.newgroups) if you have any questions about the process. DISTRIBUTION: This RFD has been posted to the following newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, comp.programming, alt.comp.shareware, alt.comp.shareware.authors, alt.comp.shareware.programmer, alt.comp.shareware.for-kids, alt.comp.freeware. Proponent: Tim Skipper ========= WAS CANCELLED BY =======: Control: cancel <900674669.22444@isc.org> Subject: cmsg cancel <900674669.22444@isc.org> Message-ID: From: HipCrime@tuhv.gov Sender: "Tim Skipper (Proponent)" Approved: HipCrime@tuhv.gov Newsgroups: news.groups Date: 17 Jul 1998 12:47:44 GMT X-No-Archive: Yes Organization: HipCrime International, unLtd. NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.237.253.7 Lines: 2 Path: ...!howland.erols.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!rain.fr!194.250.238.3!nntp.HipCrime.new!cyberspam!hipcancel!usenet Cancelled by HipCrime's NewsAgent. ========= WAS CANCELLED BY =======: Path: ...!News.Vancouver.iSTAR.net!news.istar.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.icm.edu.pl!orion.cst.tpsa.pl!news.tpnet.pl!not-for-mail Control: cancel Subject: cmsg cancel Message-ID: From: HipCrime@fotapbo.gov Sender: "Tim Skipper (Proponent)" Approved: HipCrime@fotapbo.gov Newsgroups: news.groups X-No-Archive: Yes Organization: HipCrime International, unLtd. Lines: 2 Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 19:19:19 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.237.253.133 NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 21:19:19 MET DST Cancelled by HipCrime's NewsAgent. From csp@euro-share.com Sat Jul 18 16:05:31 1998 Control: cancel Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back Message-ID: From: "Tim Skipper (Proponent)" Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.comp.freeware,alt.comp.shareware,alt.comp.shareware.authors,alt.comp.shareware.for-kids,alt.comp.shareware.programmer,comp.programming Subject: cmsg cancel Followup-To: news.groups Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org Archive-Name: comp.software.shareware Date: 18 Jul 98 23:05:31 GMT Lines: 2 Xref: news.isc.org control.cancel:2624589 Unapproved article for news.announce.newgroups auto-cancelled by daemon on behalf of moderator. From csp@euro-share.com Sat Jul 18 16:20:51 1998 Path: news.isc.org!data.pa.vix.com!sonysjc!sanjose-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!195.99.66.215!news-feed1.eu.concert.net!btnet-peer!btnet-feed2!btnet!bmdhh222.bnr.ca!bhars12c.bnr.co.uk!bcarh8ac.ca.nortel.com!bcarh189.bnr.ca!nrchh45.us.nortel.com!hipcancel!despams.ocunix.on.ca!resurrector!not-for-mail Message-ID: X-Reposted-By: dave@ferret.ocunix.on.ca X-Original-Path: ...!news3.bellglobal.com!news1.bellglobal.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.Stanford.EDU!news.isc.org!bounce-back From: "Tim Skipper (Proponent)" Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.comp.freeware,alt.comp.shareware,alt.comp.shareware.authors,alt.comp.shareware.for-kids,alt.comp.shareware.programmer,comp.programming Subject: REPOST: RFD: comp.software.shareware.* moderated Followup-To: news.groups X-Original-Message-ID: <900657746.1173@isc.org> Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org Archive-Name: comp.software.shareware Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 06:42:26 GMT X-Comments: DtR Repost: The following Usenet article was cancelled, X-Comments: more than likely by someone other than the original poster. X-Comments: Please see the end of this posting for a copy of the cancel. X-Comments: Dave the Resurrector can be contacted at dave@ferret.ocunix.on.ca Lines: 264 Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:10439 news.groups:291528 comp.programming:52994 REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD) moderated group comp.software.shareware.users moderated group comp.software.shareware.authors moderated group comp.software.shareware.announce Newsgroup lines: comp.software.shareware.announce Shareware announcements. (Moderated) comp.software.shareware.authors Creation of shareware. (Moderated) comp.software.shareware.users Use of shareware. (Moderated) This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the creation of the world-wide moderated Usenet newsgroups comp.software.shareware.users, comp.software.shareware.authors and comp.software.shareware.announce. This is not a Call for Votes (CFV); you cannot vote at this time. Procedural details are below. RATIONALE: all groups Shareware is software which may generally be freely distributed for evaluation purposes - sometimes referred to as Try-Before-Buy. After the expiration of a specified evaluation period or number of uses, the software must be registered usually by the payment of a fee to the author, either directly or through a third party. The popularity of shareware as a method of distribution of software has increased dramatically as access to the Internet has widened. Although other types of software are also distributed over the Internet, including public domain software, freeware and commercial demoware or crippleware, it is likely that more shareware is available online than any other category of software. In view of the ubiquity of shareware it is surprising that there are no newsgroups in the "Big 8" hierarchies specifically devoted to it. The closest to such newsgroups that already exists is the sub- hierarchy alt.comp.shareware.*, of which the three primary groups are alt.comp.shareware, alt.comp.shareware.authors and alt.comp.shareware.programmer. A significant shortcoming of the existing alt.comp.shareware.* groups is the limitation on their distribution which is inherent in their relegation to the alt hierarchy. Another problem with the groups is the large number of flame-wars, off-topic posts and cross-posts they receive, including requests for "cracks" and registration keys to overcome the registration incentives incorporated by many shareware authors in their programs. Furthermore the groups alt.comp.shareware and alt.comp.shareware.programmer are commonly cross-posted between, and it would be difficult to justify the retention of both groups in the new sub-hierarchy proposed here. It is impractical to moderate groups in the alt hierarchy because of the ease with which their status can be changed back to unmoderated and there is no desire to limit by process of moderation the discussion of those that participate in these newsgroups currently. It is therefore proposed that three new moderated groups be formed in the existing comp.software.* sub-hierarchy. The proposed newsgroup comp.software.shareware.users will serve a similar purpose to alt.comp.shareware, but will be moderated to filter messages falling outside the group's charter. Likewise, the proposed newsgroup comp.software.shareware.authors will be a moderated group serving similar purposes to both alt.comp.shareware.authors and alt.comp.shareware.programmer. The proposed newsgroup comp.software.shareware.announce will be solely to provide a forum for announcements of releases of new shareware products and resources. Note that this proposal does NOT advocate the removal of the alt.comp.shareware.* groups or any change in it's charter. CHARTER: comp.software.shareware.users This is a moderated newsgroup, intended for discussion related to the use of shareware software. Without limitation, acceptable postings may relate to: Support questions. Bugs, fixes and workarounds. Usage tips. Shareware reviews and comparisons. Binary postings are not acceptable, although pointers to binary postings in appropriate binaries groups are. Commercial advertisements are not acceptable. Cross-posting between this newsgroup and other comp.software.shareware.* newsgroups is not acceptable. END CHARTER. MODERATOR INFO: comp.software.shareware.users Moderator: Scott Kane Moderator: Tim Skipper Administrative contact address: Article submission address: Moderation of comp.software.shareware.users will initially be conducted by manual human intervention which will reject postings that are: Binary files. Cross-posted to more than three other newsgroups. Cross-posted from the alt.comp.shareware.* hierarchy. Commercial or personal advertisements falling outside the charter. Information about or requests for warez, cracks or registration keys. Designed to flame, offend or annoy other readers of the newsgroup. The human moderators may be supplemented by additional human moderators if necessary and may also be supplemented by robomoderation if deemed appropriate by the Moderator. Details of the robomoderation algorithm, if any, in use at a given time will be supplied on request to the administrative contact address. Articles that are rejected by the moderation process will be returned to the author along with an explanation of the rejection. No appeal process is proposed. END MODERATOR INFO. CHARTER: comp.software.shareware.authors This is a moderated newsgroup, intended for discussion related to the creation and sale of shareware software. Without limitation, acceptable postings may relate to: Development issues. Programming issues. Marketing techniques. Distribution techniques. Binary postings are not acceptable, although pointers to binary postings in appropriate binaries groups are. Commercial advertisements are not acceptable except insofar as they are bona fide one-off announcements of new shareware products. Cross-posting between this newsgroup and other comp.software.shareware.* newsgroups is not acceptable. END CHARTER. MODERATOR INFO: comp.software.shareware.authors Moderator: Scott Kane Moderator: Tim Skipper Administrative contact address: Article submission address: Moderation of comp.software.shareware.authors will initially be conducted by manual human intervention which will reject postings that are: Binary files. Cross-posted to three or more newsgroups. Cross-posted from the alt.comp.shareware.* hierarchy. Commercial or personal advertisements falling outside the charter. Information about or requests for warez, cracks or registration keys. Designed to flame, offend or annoy other readers of the newsgroup. The human moderators may be supplemented by additional human moderators if necessary and may also be supplemented by robomoderation if deemed appropriate by the Moderator. Details of the robomoderation algorithm, if any, in use at a given time will be supplied on request to the administrative contact address. Articles that are rejected by the moderation process will be returned to the author along with an explanation of the rejection. No appeal process is proposed. END MODERATOR INFO. CHARTER: comp.software.shareware.announce This is a moderated newsgroup, intended for informational announcements related to shareware products and resources. Without limitation, appropriate topics may include: Announcements of new shareware releases. Announcements of shareware FTP and WWW archives. Announcements regarding shareware related services, such as credit card registration services. This group is not intended for discussion about shareware, and follow-ups to articles in this group should be posted elsewhere. Commercial advertisements are not acceptable except insofar as they are bona fide one-off announcements of new shareware products or services. Cross-posting between this newsgroup and other comp.software.shareware.* groups is not acceptable. END CHARTER. MODERATOR INFO: comp.software.shareware.announce Moderator: Scott Kane Moderator: Tim Skipper Administrative contact address: Article submission address: Moderation of comp.software.shareware.announce will initially be conducted by manual human intervention which will reject postings that are: Binary files. Cross-posted to three or more newsgroups. Cross-posted from the alt.comp.shareware.* hierarchy. Commercial or personal advertisements falling outside the charter. Information about or requests for warez, cracks or registration keys. Designed to flame, offend or annoy other readers of the newsgroup. The human moderators may be supplemented by additional human moderators if necessary and may also be supplemented by robomoderation if deemed appropriate by the Moderator. Details of the robomoderation algorithm, if any, in use at a given time will be supplied on request to the administrative contact address. Articles that are rejected by the moderation process will be returned to the author along with an explanation of the rejection. No appeal process is proposed. END MODERATOR INFO. PROCEDURE: This is a request for discussion, not a call for votes. In this phase of the process, any potential problems with the proposed newsgroups should be raised and resolved. The discussion period will continue for a minimum of 21 days (starting from when the first RFD for this proposal is posted to news.announce.newgroups), after which a Call For Votes (CFV) may be posted by a neutral vote taker if the discussion warrants it. Please do not attempt to vote until this happens. All discussion of this proposal should be posted to news.groups. This RFD attempts to comply fully with the Usenet newsgroup creation guidelines outlined in "How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup" and "How to Format and Submit a New Group Proposal". Please refer to these documents (available in news.announce.newgroups) if you have any questions about the process. DISTRIBUTION: This RFD has been posted to the following newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, comp.programming, alt.comp.shareware, alt.comp.shareware.authors, alt.comp.shareware.programmer, alt.comp.shareware.for-kids, alt.comp.freeware. Proponent: Tim Skipper ========= WAS CANCELLED BY =======: Path: ...!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!mtu.ru!Pollux.Teleglobe.net!orion.cst.tpsa.pl!news.tpnet.pl!not-for-mail Control: cancel <900657746.1173@isc.org> Subject: cmsg cancel <900657746.1173@isc.org> Message-ID: From: HipCrime@lyqyvxai.org Sender: "Tim Skipper (Proponent)" Approved: HipCrime@lyqyvxai.org Newsgroups: news.groups X-No-Archive: Yes Organization: HipCrime International, unLtd. Lines: 2 Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 19:24:08 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.237.253.133 NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 21:24:08 MET DST Cancelled by HipCrime's NewsAgent. From csp@euro-share.com Sat Jul 18 16:20:52 1998 Control: cancel Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back Message-ID: From: "Tim Skipper (Proponent)" Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.comp.freeware,alt.comp.shareware,alt.comp.shareware.authors,alt.comp.shareware.for-kids,alt.comp.shareware.programmer,comp.programming Subject: cmsg cancel Followup-To: news.groups Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org Archive-Name: comp.software.shareware Date: 18 Jul 98 23:20:52 GMT Lines: 2 Xref: news.isc.org control.cancel:2624745 Unapproved article for news.announce.newgroups auto-cancelled by daemon on behalf of moderator. From csp@euro-share.com Tue Jul 21 12:50:48 1998 Path: news.isc.org!data.pa.vix.com!sonysjc!sanjose-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!195.99.66.215!news-feed1.eu.concert.net!btnet-peer!btnet-feed2!btnet!bmdhh222.bnr.ca!bhars12c.bnr.co.uk!bcarh8ac.ca.nortel.com!bcarh189.bnr.ca!nrchh45.us.nortel.com!hipcancel!despams.ocunix.on.ca!resurrector!not-for-mail Message-ID: <901050640.920@isc.org> X-Reposted-By: dave@ferret.ocunix.on.ca X-Original-Path: ...!news3.bellglobal.com!news1.bellglobal.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.Stanford.EDU!news.isc.org!bounce-back From: "Tim Skipper (Proponent)" Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.comp.freeware,alt.comp.shareware,alt.comp.shareware.authors,alt.comp.shareware.for-kids,alt.comp.shareware.programmer,comp.programming Subject: REPOST: RFD: comp.software.shareware.* moderated Followup-To: news.groups X-Original-Message-ID: <900657746.1173@isc.org> Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org Archive-Name: comp.software.shareware Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 06:42:26 GMT X-Comments: DtR Repost: The following Usenet article was cancelled, X-Comments: more than likely by someone other than the original poster. X-Comments: Please see the end of this posting for a copy of the cancel. X-Comments: Dave the Resurrector can be contacted at dave@ferret.ocunix.on.ca Lines: 264 Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:10477 news.groups:292170 comp.programming:53237 REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD) moderated group comp.software.shareware.users moderated group comp.software.shareware.authors moderated group comp.software.shareware.announce Newsgroup lines: comp.software.shareware.announce Shareware announcements. (Moderated) comp.software.shareware.authors Creation of shareware. (Moderated) comp.software.shareware.users Use of shareware. (Moderated) This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the creation of the world-wide moderated Usenet newsgroups comp.software.shareware.users, comp.software.shareware.authors and comp.software.shareware.announce. This is not a Call for Votes (CFV); you cannot vote at this time. Procedural details are below. RATIONALE: all groups Shareware is software which may generally be freely distributed for evaluation purposes - sometimes referred to as Try-Before-Buy. After the expiration of a specified evaluation period or number of uses, the software must be registered usually by the payment of a fee to the author, either directly or through a third party. The popularity of shareware as a method of distribution of software has increased dramatically as access to the Internet has widened. Although other types of software are also distributed over the Internet, including public domain software, freeware and commercial demoware or crippleware, it is likely that more shareware is available online than any other category of software. In view of the ubiquity of shareware it is surprising that there are no newsgroups in the "Big 8" hierarchies specifically devoted to it. The closest to such newsgroups that already exists is the sub- hierarchy alt.comp.shareware.*, of which the three primary groups are alt.comp.shareware, alt.comp.shareware.authors and alt.comp.shareware.programmer. A significant shortcoming of the existing alt.comp.shareware.* groups is the limitation on their distribution which is inherent in their relegation to the alt hierarchy. Another problem with the groups is the large number of flame-wars, off-topic posts and cross-posts they receive, including requests for "cracks" and registration keys to overcome the registration incentives incorporated by many shareware authors in their programs. Furthermore the groups alt.comp.shareware and alt.comp.shareware.programmer are commonly cross-posted between, and it would be difficult to justify the retention of both groups in the new sub-hierarchy proposed here. It is impractical to moderate groups in the alt hierarchy because of the ease with which their status can be changed back to unmoderated and there is no desire to limit by process of moderation the discussion of those that participate in these newsgroups currently. It is therefore proposed that three new moderated groups be formed in the existing comp.software.* sub-hierarchy. The proposed newsgroup comp.software.shareware.users will serve a similar purpose to alt.comp.shareware, but will be moderated to filter messages falling outside the group's charter. Likewise, the proposed newsgroup comp.software.shareware.authors will be a moderated group serving similar purposes to both alt.comp.shareware.authors and alt.comp.shareware.programmer. The proposed newsgroup comp.software.shareware.announce will be solely to provide a forum for announcements of releases of new shareware products and resources. Note that this proposal does NOT advocate the removal of the alt.comp.shareware.* groups or any change in it's charter. CHARTER: comp.software.shareware.users This is a moderated newsgroup, intended for discussion related to the use of shareware software. Without limitation, acceptable postings may relate to: Support questions. Bugs, fixes and workarounds. Usage tips. Shareware reviews and comparisons. Binary postings are not acceptable, although pointers to binary postings in appropriate binaries groups are. Commercial advertisements are not acceptable. Cross-posting between this newsgroup and other comp.software.shareware.* newsgroups is not acceptable. END CHARTER. MODERATOR INFO: comp.software.shareware.users Moderator: Scott Kane Moderator: Tim Skipper Administrative contact address: Article submission address: Moderation of comp.software.shareware.users will initially be conducted by manual human intervention which will reject postings that are: Binary files. Cross-posted to more than three other newsgroups. Cross-posted from the alt.comp.shareware.* hierarchy. Commercial or personal advertisements falling outside the charter. Information about or requests for warez, cracks or registration keys. Designed to flame, offend or annoy other readers of the newsgroup. The human moderators may be supplemented by additional human moderators if necessary and may also be supplemented by robomoderation if deemed appropriate by the Moderator. Details of the robomoderation algorithm, if any, in use at a given time will be supplied on request to the administrative contact address. Articles that are rejected by the moderation process will be returned to the author along with an explanation of the rejection. No appeal process is proposed. END MODERATOR INFO. CHARTER: comp.software.shareware.authors This is a moderated newsgroup, intended for discussion related to the creation and sale of shareware software. Without limitation, acceptable postings may relate to: Development issues. Programming issues. Marketing techniques. Distribution techniques. Binary postings are not acceptable, although pointers to binary postings in appropriate binaries groups are. Commercial advertisements are not acceptable except insofar as they are bona fide one-off announcements of new shareware products. Cross-posting between this newsgroup and other comp.software.shareware.* newsgroups is not acceptable. END CHARTER. MODERATOR INFO: comp.software.shareware.authors Moderator: Scott Kane Moderator: Tim Skipper Administrative contact address: Article submission address: Moderation of comp.software.shareware.authors will initially be conducted by manual human intervention which will reject postings that are: Binary files. Cross-posted to three or more newsgroups. Cross-posted from the alt.comp.shareware.* hierarchy. Commercial or personal advertisements falling outside the charter. Information about or requests for warez, cracks or registration keys. Designed to flame, offend or annoy other readers of the newsgroup. The human moderators may be supplemented by additional human moderators if necessary and may also be supplemented by robomoderation if deemed appropriate by the Moderator. Details of the robomoderation algorithm, if any, in use at a given time will be supplied on request to the administrative contact address. Articles that are rejected by the moderation process will be returned to the author along with an explanation of the rejection. No appeal process is proposed. END MODERATOR INFO. CHARTER: comp.software.shareware.announce This is a moderated newsgroup, intended for informational announcements related to shareware products and resources. Without limitation, appropriate topics may include: Announcements of new shareware releases. Announcements of shareware FTP and WWW archives. Announcements regarding shareware related services, such as credit card registration services. This group is not intended for discussion about shareware, and follow-ups to articles in this group should be posted elsewhere. Commercial advertisements are not acceptable except insofar as they are bona fide one-off announcements of new shareware products or services. Cross-posting between this newsgroup and other comp.software.shareware.* groups is not acceptable. END CHARTER. MODERATOR INFO: comp.software.shareware.announce Moderator: Scott Kane Moderator: Tim Skipper Administrative contact address: Article submission address: Moderation of comp.software.shareware.announce will initially be conducted by manual human intervention which will reject postings that are: Binary files. Cross-posted to three or more newsgroups. Cross-posted from the alt.comp.shareware.* hierarchy. Commercial or personal advertisements falling outside the charter. Information about or requests for warez, cracks or registration keys. Designed to flame, offend or annoy other readers of the newsgroup. The human moderators may be supplemented by additional human moderators if necessary and may also be supplemented by robomoderation if deemed appropriate by the Moderator. Details of the robomoderation algorithm, if any, in use at a given time will be supplied on request to the administrative contact address. Articles that are rejected by the moderation process will be returned to the author along with an explanation of the rejection. No appeal process is proposed. END MODERATOR INFO. PROCEDURE: This is a request for discussion, not a call for votes. In this phase of the process, any potential problems with the proposed newsgroups should be raised and resolved. The discussion period will continue for a minimum of 21 days (starting from when the first RFD for this proposal is posted to news.announce.newgroups), after which a Call For Votes (CFV) may be posted by a neutral vote taker if the discussion warrants it. Please do not attempt to vote until this happens. All discussion of this proposal should be posted to news.groups. This RFD attempts to comply fully with the Usenet newsgroup creation guidelines outlined in "How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup" and "How to Format and Submit a New Group Proposal". Please refer to these documents (available in news.announce.newgroups) if you have any questions about the process. DISTRIBUTION: This RFD has been posted to the following newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, comp.programming, alt.comp.shareware, alt.comp.shareware.authors, alt.comp.shareware.programmer, alt.comp.shareware.for-kids, alt.comp.freeware. Proponent: Tim Skipper ========= WAS CANCELLED BY =======: Path: ...!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!mtu.ru!Pollux.Teleglobe.net!orion.cst.tpsa.pl!news.tpnet.pl!not-for-mail Control: cancel <900657746.1173@isc.org> Subject: cmsg cancel <900657746.1173@isc.org> Message-ID: <901050640.920@isc.org> From: HipCrime@lyqyvxai.org Sender: "Tim Skipper (Proponent)" Approved: HipCrime@lyqyvxai.org Newsgroups: news.groups X-No-Archive: Yes Organization: HipCrime International, unLtd. Lines: 2 Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 19:24:08 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.237.253.133 NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 21:24:08 MET DST Cancelled by HipCrime's NewsAgent. From csp@euro-share.com Tue Jul 21 12:50:49 1998 Path: news.isc.org!data.pa.vix.com!sonysjc!sanjose-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.wli.net!newshub.northeast.verio.net!btnet-peer!btnet-feed2!btnet!bmdhh222.bnr.ca!bhars12c.bnr.co.uk!bcarh8ac.ca.nortel.com!bcarh189.bnr.ca!nrchh45.us.nortel.com!hipcancel!despams.ocunix.on.ca!resurrector!not-for-mail Message-ID: <901050641.924@isc.org> X-Reposted-By: dave@ferret.ocunix.on.ca X-Original-Path: zcarh46f.bnr.ca!nrchh45.us.nortel.com!hipcancel!despams.ocunix.on.ca!resurrector!not-for-mail X-Original-Message-ID: X-Reposted-By: dave@ferret.ocunix.on.ca X-Original-Path: ...!news3.bellglobal.com!news1.bellglobal.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news2.ais.net!jamie!ais.net!uunet!in4.uu.net!news.isc.org!bounce-back From: "Tim Skipper (Proponent)" Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.comp.freeware,alt.comp.shareware,alt.comp.shareware.authors,alt.comp.shareware.for-kids,alt.comp.shareware.programmer,comp.programming Subject: REPOST: RFD: comp.software.shareware.* moderated Followup-To: news.groups X-Original-Message-ID: <900674669.22444@isc.org> Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org Archive-Name: comp.software.shareware Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 06:42:26 GMT X-Comments: DtR Repost: The following Usenet article was cancelled, X-Comments: more than likely by someone other than the original poster. X-Comments: Please see the end of this posting for a copy of the cancel. X-Comments: Dave the Resurrector can be contacted at dave@ferret.ocunix.on.ca Lines: 281 Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:10478 news.groups:292171 comp.programming:53238 REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD) moderated group comp.software.shareware.users moderated group comp.software.shareware.authors moderated group comp.software.shareware.announce Newsgroup lines: comp.software.shareware.announce Shareware announcements. (Moderated) comp.software.shareware.authors Creation of shareware. (Moderated) comp.software.shareware.users Use of shareware. (Moderated) This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the creation of the world-wide moderated Usenet newsgroups comp.software.shareware.users, comp.software.shareware.authors and comp.software.shareware.announce. This is not a Call for Votes (CFV); you cannot vote at this time. Procedural details are below. RATIONALE: all groups Shareware is software which may generally be freely distributed for evaluation purposes - sometimes referred to as Try-Before-Buy. After the expiration of a specified evaluation period or number of uses, the software must be registered usually by the payment of a fee to the author, either directly or through a third party. The popularity of shareware as a method of distribution of software has increased dramatically as access to the Internet has widened. Although other types of software are also distributed over the Internet, including public domain software, freeware and commercial demoware or crippleware, it is likely that more shareware is available online than any other category of software. In view of the ubiquity of shareware it is surprising that there are no newsgroups in the "Big 8" hierarchies specifically devoted to it. The closest to such newsgroups that already exists is the sub- hierarchy alt.comp.shareware.*, of which the three primary groups are alt.comp.shareware, alt.comp.shareware.authors and alt.comp.shareware.programmer. A significant shortcoming of the existing alt.comp.shareware.* groups is the limitation on their distribution which is inherent in their relegation to the alt hierarchy. Another problem with the groups is the large number of flame-wars, off-topic posts and cross-posts they receive, including requests for "cracks" and registration keys to overcome the registration incentives incorporated by many shareware authors in their programs. Furthermore the groups alt.comp.shareware and alt.comp.shareware.programmer are commonly cross-posted between, and it would be difficult to justify the retention of both groups in the new sub-hierarchy proposed here. It is impractical to moderate groups in the alt hierarchy because of the ease with which their status can be changed back to unmoderated and there is no desire to limit by process of moderation the discussion of those that participate in these newsgroups currently. It is therefore proposed that three new moderated groups be formed in the existing comp.software.* sub-hierarchy. The proposed newsgroup comp.software.shareware.users will serve a similar purpose to alt.comp.shareware, but will be moderated to filter messages falling outside the group's charter. Likewise, the proposed newsgroup comp.software.shareware.authors will be a moderated group serving similar purposes to both alt.comp.shareware.authors and alt.comp.shareware.programmer. The proposed newsgroup comp.software.shareware.announce will be solely to provide a forum for announcements of releases of new shareware products and resources. Note that this proposal does NOT advocate the removal of the alt.comp.shareware.* groups or any change in it's charter. CHARTER: comp.software.shareware.users This is a moderated newsgroup, intended for discussion related to the use of shareware software. Without limitation, acceptable postings may relate to: Support questions. Bugs, fixes and workarounds. Usage tips. Shareware reviews and comparisons. Binary postings are not acceptable, although pointers to binary postings in appropriate binaries groups are. Commercial advertisements are not acceptable. Cross-posting between this newsgroup and other comp.software.shareware.* newsgroups is not acceptable. END CHARTER. MODERATOR INFO: comp.software.shareware.users Moderator: Scott Kane Moderator: Tim Skipper Administrative contact address: Article submission address: Moderation of comp.software.shareware.users will initially be conducted by manual human intervention which will reject postings that are: Binary files. Cross-posted to more than three other newsgroups. Cross-posted from the alt.comp.shareware.* hierarchy. Commercial or personal advertisements falling outside the charter. Information about or requests for warez, cracks or registration keys. Designed to flame, offend or annoy other readers of the newsgroup. The human moderators may be supplemented by additional human moderators if necessary and may also be supplemented by robomoderation if deemed appropriate by the Moderator. Details of the robomoderation algorithm, if any, in use at a given time will be supplied on request to the administrative contact address. Articles that are rejected by the moderation process will be returned to the author along with an explanation of the rejection. No appeal process is proposed. END MODERATOR INFO. CHARTER: comp.software.shareware.authors This is a moderated newsgroup, intended for discussion related to the creation and sale of shareware software. Without limitation, acceptable postings may relate to: Development issues. Programming issues. Marketing techniques. Distribution techniques. Binary postings are not acceptable, although pointers to binary postings in appropriate binaries groups are. Commercial advertisements are not acceptable except insofar as they are bona fide one-off announcements of new shareware products. Cross-posting between this newsgroup and other comp.software.shareware.* newsgroups is not acceptable. END CHARTER. MODERATOR INFO: comp.software.shareware.authors Moderator: Scott Kane Moderator: Tim Skipper Administrative contact address: Article submission address: Moderation of comp.software.shareware.authors will initially be conducted by manual human intervention which will reject postings that are: Binary files. Cross-posted to three or more newsgroups. Cross-posted from the alt.comp.shareware.* hierarchy. Commercial or personal advertisements falling outside the charter. Information about or requests for warez, cracks or registration keys. Designed to flame, offend or annoy other readers of the newsgroup. The human moderators may be supplemented by additional human moderators if necessary and may also be supplemented by robomoderation if deemed appropriate by the Moderator. Details of the robomoderation algorithm, if any, in use at a given time will be supplied on request to the administrative contact address. Articles that are rejected by the moderation process will be returned to the author along with an explanation of the rejection. No appeal process is proposed. END MODERATOR INFO. CHARTER: comp.software.shareware.announce This is a moderated newsgroup, intended for informational announcements related to shareware products and resources. Without limitation, appropriate topics may include: Announcements of new shareware releases. Announcements of shareware FTP and WWW archives. Announcements regarding shareware related services, such as credit card registration services. This group is not intended for discussion about shareware, and follow-ups to articles in this group should be posted elsewhere. Commercial advertisements are not acceptable except insofar as they are bona fide one-off announcements of new shareware products or services. Cross-posting between this newsgroup and other comp.software.shareware.* groups is not acceptable. END CHARTER. MODERATOR INFO: comp.software.shareware.announce Moderator: Scott Kane Moderator: Tim Skipper Administrative contact address: Article submission address: Moderation of comp.software.shareware.announce will initially be conducted by manual human intervention which will reject postings that are: Binary files. Cross-posted to three or more newsgroups. Cross-posted from the alt.comp.shareware.* hierarchy. Commercial or personal advertisements falling outside the charter. Information about or requests for warez, cracks or registration keys. Designed to flame, offend or annoy other readers of the newsgroup. The human moderators may be supplemented by additional human moderators if necessary and may also be supplemented by robomoderation if deemed appropriate by the Moderator. Details of the robomoderation algorithm, if any, in use at a given time will be supplied on request to the administrative contact address. Articles that are rejected by the moderation process will be returned to the author along with an explanation of the rejection. No appeal process is proposed. END MODERATOR INFO. PROCEDURE: This is a request for discussion, not a call for votes. In this phase of the process, any potential problems with the proposed newsgroups should be raised and resolved. The discussion period will continue for a minimum of 21 days (starting from when the first RFD for this proposal is posted to news.announce.newgroups), after which a Call For Votes (CFV) may be posted by a neutral vote taker if the discussion warrants it. Please do not attempt to vote until this happens. All discussion of this proposal should be posted to news.groups. This RFD attempts to comply fully with the Usenet newsgroup creation guidelines outlined in "How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup" and "How to Format and Submit a New Group Proposal". Please refer to these documents (available in news.announce.newgroups) if you have any questions about the process. DISTRIBUTION: This RFD has been posted to the following newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, comp.programming, alt.comp.shareware, alt.comp.shareware.authors, alt.comp.shareware.programmer, alt.comp.shareware.for-kids, alt.comp.freeware. Proponent: Tim Skipper ========= WAS CANCELLED BY =======: Control: cancel <900674669.22444@isc.org> Subject: cmsg cancel <900674669.22444@isc.org> Message-ID: <901050641.924@isc.org> From: HipCrime@tuhv.gov Sender: "Tim Skipper (Proponent)" Approved: HipCrime@tuhv.gov Newsgroups: news.groups Date: 17 Jul 1998 12:47:44 GMT X-No-Archive: Yes Organization: HipCrime International, unLtd. NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.237.253.7 Lines: 2 Path: ...!howland.erols.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!rain.fr!194.250.238.3!nntp.HipCrime.new!cyberspam!hipcancel!usenet Cancelled by HipCrime's NewsAgent. ========= WAS CANCELLED BY =======: Path: ...!News.Vancouver.iSTAR.net!news.istar.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.icm.edu.pl!orion.cst.tpsa.pl!news.tpnet.pl!not-for-mail Control: cancel Subject: cmsg cancel Message-ID: <901050641.924@isc.org> From: HipCrime@fotapbo.gov Sender: "Tim Skipper (Proponent)" Approved: HipCrime@fotapbo.gov Newsgroups: news.groups X-No-Archive: Yes Organization: HipCrime International, unLtd. Lines: 2 Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 19:19:19 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.237.253.133 NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 21:19:19 MET DST Cancelled by HipCrime's NewsAgent. From csp@euro-share.com Tue Jul 21 12:50:50 1998 Control: cancel <901050640.920@isc.org> Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back Message-ID: From: "Tim Skipper (Proponent)" Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.comp.freeware,alt.comp.shareware,alt.comp.shareware.authors,alt.comp.shareware.for-kids,alt.comp.shareware.programmer,comp.programming Subject: cmsg cancel <901050640.920@isc.org> Followup-To: news.groups Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org Archive-Name: comp.software.shareware Date: 21 Jul 98 19:50:48 GMT Lines: 2 Xref: news.isc.org control.cancel:2651615 Unapproved article for news.announce.newgroups auto-cancelled by daemon on behalf of moderator. From csp@euro-share.com Tue Jul 21 12:50:52 1998 Control: cancel <901050641.924@isc.org> Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back Message-ID: From: "Tim Skipper (Proponent)" Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.comp.freeware,alt.comp.shareware,alt.comp.shareware.authors,alt.comp.shareware.for-kids,alt.comp.shareware.programmer,comp.programming Subject: cmsg cancel <901050641.924@isc.org> Followup-To: news.groups Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org Archive-Name: comp.software.shareware Date: 21 Jul 98 19:50:49 GMT Lines: 2 Xref: news.isc.org control.cancel:2651616 Unapproved article for news.announce.newgroups auto-cancelled by daemon on behalf of moderator. From csp@euro-share.com Tue Jul 21 12:52:20 1998 Path: news.isc.org!data.pa.vix.com!sonysjc!sanjose-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.corridex.com!howland.erols.net!cs.utexas.edu!utnut!nott!bcarh189.bnr.ca!nrchh45.us.nortel.com!hipcancel!despams.ocunix.on.ca!resurrector!not-for-mail Message-ID: <901050729.1472@isc.org> X-Reposted-By: dave@ferret.ocunix.on.ca X-Original-Path: ...!news3.bellglobal.com!news1.bellglobal.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news2.ais.net!jamie!ais.net!uunet!in4.uu.net!news.isc.org!bounce-back From: "Tim Skipper (Proponent)" Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.comp.freeware,alt.comp.shareware,alt.comp.shareware.authors,alt.comp.shareware.for-kids,alt.comp.shareware.programmer,comp.programming Subject: REPOST: RFD: comp.software.shareware.* moderated Followup-To: news.groups X-Original-Message-ID: <900674669.22444@isc.org> Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org Archive-Name: comp.software.shareware Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 06:42:26 GMT X-Comments: DtR Repost: The following Usenet article was cancelled, X-Comments: more than likely by someone other than the original poster. X-Comments: Please see the end of this posting for a copy of the cancel. X-Comments: Dave the Resurrector can be contacted at dave@ferret.ocunix.on.ca Lines: 263 Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:10492 news.groups:292185 comp.programming:53239 REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD) moderated group comp.software.shareware.users moderated group comp.software.shareware.authors moderated group comp.software.shareware.announce Newsgroup lines: comp.software.shareware.announce Shareware announcements. (Moderated) comp.software.shareware.authors Creation of shareware. (Moderated) comp.software.shareware.users Use of shareware. (Moderated) This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the creation of the world-wide moderated Usenet newsgroups comp.software.shareware.users, comp.software.shareware.authors and comp.software.shareware.announce. This is not a Call for Votes (CFV); you cannot vote at this time. Procedural details are below. RATIONALE: all groups Shareware is software which may generally be freely distributed for evaluation purposes - sometimes referred to as Try-Before-Buy. After the expiration of a specified evaluation period or number of uses, the software must be registered usually by the payment of a fee to the author, either directly or through a third party. The popularity of shareware as a method of distribution of software has increased dramatically as access to the Internet has widened. Although other types of software are also distributed over the Internet, including public domain software, freeware and commercial demoware or crippleware, it is likely that more shareware is available online than any other category of software. In view of the ubiquity of shareware it is surprising that there are no newsgroups in the "Big 8" hierarchies specifically devoted to it. The closest to such newsgroups that already exists is the sub- hierarchy alt.comp.shareware.*, of which the three primary groups are alt.comp.shareware, alt.comp.shareware.authors and alt.comp.shareware.programmer. A significant shortcoming of the existing alt.comp.shareware.* groups is the limitation on their distribution which is inherent in their relegation to the alt hierarchy. Another problem with the groups is the large number of flame-wars, off-topic posts and cross-posts they receive, including requests for "cracks" and registration keys to overcome the registration incentives incorporated by many shareware authors in their programs. Furthermore the groups alt.comp.shareware and alt.comp.shareware.programmer are commonly cross-posted between, and it would be difficult to justify the retention of both groups in the new sub-hierarchy proposed here. It is impractical to moderate groups in the alt hierarchy because of the ease with which their status can be changed back to unmoderated and there is no desire to limit by process of moderation the discussion of those that participate in these newsgroups currently. It is therefore proposed that three new moderated groups be formed in the existing comp.software.* sub-hierarchy. The proposed newsgroup comp.software.shareware.users will serve a similar purpose to alt.comp.shareware, but will be moderated to filter messages falling outside the group's charter. Likewise, the proposed newsgroup comp.software.shareware.authors will be a moderated group serving similar purposes to both alt.comp.shareware.authors and alt.comp.shareware.programmer. The proposed newsgroup comp.software.shareware.announce will be solely to provide a forum for announcements of releases of new shareware products and resources. Note that this proposal does NOT advocate the removal of the alt.comp.shareware.* groups or any change in it's charter. CHARTER: comp.software.shareware.users This is a moderated newsgroup, intended for discussion related to the use of shareware software. Without limitation, acceptable postings may relate to: Support questions. Bugs, fixes and workarounds. Usage tips. Shareware reviews and comparisons. Binary postings are not acceptable, although pointers to binary postings in appropriate binaries groups are. Commercial advertisements are not acceptable. Cross-posting between this newsgroup and other comp.software.shareware.* newsgroups is not acceptable. END CHARTER. MODERATOR INFO: comp.software.shareware.users Moderator: Scott Kane Moderator: Tim Skipper Administrative contact address: Article submission address: Moderation of comp.software.shareware.users will initially be conducted by manual human intervention which will reject postings that are: Binary files. Cross-posted to more than three other newsgroups. Cross-posted from the alt.comp.shareware.* hierarchy. Commercial or personal advertisements falling outside the charter. Information about or requests for warez, cracks or registration keys. Designed to flame, offend or annoy other readers of the newsgroup. The human moderators may be supplemented by additional human moderators if necessary and may also be supplemented by robomoderation if deemed appropriate by the Moderator. Details of the robomoderation algorithm, if any, in use at a given time will be supplied on request to the administrative contact address. Articles that are rejected by the moderation process will be returned to the author along with an explanation of the rejection. No appeal process is proposed. END MODERATOR INFO. CHARTER: comp.software.shareware.authors This is a moderated newsgroup, intended for discussion related to the creation and sale of shareware software. Without limitation, acceptable postings may relate to: Development issues. Programming issues. Marketing techniques. Distribution techniques. Binary postings are not acceptable, although pointers to binary postings in appropriate binaries groups are. Commercial advertisements are not acceptable except insofar as they are bona fide one-off announcements of new shareware products. Cross-posting between this newsgroup and other comp.software.shareware.* newsgroups is not acceptable. END CHARTER. MODERATOR INFO: comp.software.shareware.authors Moderator: Scott Kane Moderator: Tim Skipper Administrative contact address: Article submission address: Moderation of comp.software.shareware.authors will initially be conducted by manual human intervention which will reject postings that are: Binary files. Cross-posted to three or more newsgroups. Cross-posted from the alt.comp.shareware.* hierarchy. Commercial or personal advertisements falling outside the charter. Information about or requests for warez, cracks or registration keys. Designed to flame, offend or annoy other readers of the newsgroup. The human moderators may be supplemented by additional human moderators if necessary and may also be supplemented by robomoderation if deemed appropriate by the Moderator. Details of the robomoderation algorithm, if any, in use at a given time will be supplied on request to the administrative contact address. Articles that are rejected by the moderation process will be returned to the author along with an explanation of the rejection. No appeal process is proposed. END MODERATOR INFO. CHARTER: comp.software.shareware.announce This is a moderated newsgroup, intended for informational announcements related to shareware products and resources. Without limitation, appropriate topics may include: Announcements of new shareware releases. Announcements of shareware FTP and WWW archives. Announcements regarding shareware related services, such as credit card registration services. This group is not intended for discussion about shareware, and follow-ups to articles in this group should be posted elsewhere. Commercial advertisements are not acceptable except insofar as they are bona fide one-off announcements of new shareware products or services. Cross-posting between this newsgroup and other comp.software.shareware.* groups is not acceptable. END CHARTER. MODERATOR INFO: comp.software.shareware.announce Moderator: Scott Kane Moderator: Tim Skipper Administrative contact address: Article submission address: Moderation of comp.software.shareware.announce will initially be conducted by manual human intervention which will reject postings that are: Binary files. Cross-posted to three or more newsgroups. Cross-posted from the alt.comp.shareware.* hierarchy. Commercial or personal advertisements falling outside the charter. Information about or requests for warez, cracks or registration keys. Designed to flame, offend or annoy other readers of the newsgroup. The human moderators may be supplemented by additional human moderators if necessary and may also be supplemented by robomoderation if deemed appropriate by the Moderator. Details of the robomoderation algorithm, if any, in use at a given time will be supplied on request to the administrative contact address. Articles that are rejected by the moderation process will be returned to the author along with an explanation of the rejection. No appeal process is proposed. END MODERATOR INFO. PROCEDURE: This is a request for discussion, not a call for votes. In this phase of the process, any potential problems with the proposed newsgroups should be raised and resolved. The discussion period will continue for a minimum of 21 days (starting from when the first RFD for this proposal is posted to news.announce.newgroups), after which a Call For Votes (CFV) may be posted by a neutral vote taker if the discussion warrants it. Please do not attempt to vote until this happens. All discussion of this proposal should be posted to news.groups. This RFD attempts to comply fully with the Usenet newsgroup creation guidelines outlined in "How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup" and "How to Format and Submit a New Group Proposal". Please refer to these documents (available in news.announce.newgroups) if you have any questions about the process. DISTRIBUTION: This RFD has been posted to the following newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, comp.programming, alt.comp.shareware, alt.comp.shareware.authors, alt.comp.shareware.programmer, alt.comp.shareware.for-kids, alt.comp.freeware. Proponent: Tim Skipper ========= WAS CANCELLED BY =======: Control: cancel <900674669.22444@isc.org> Subject: cmsg cancel <900674669.22444@isc.org> Message-ID: <901050729.1472@isc.org> From: HipCrime@tuhv.gov Sender: "Tim Skipper (Proponent)" Approved: HipCrime@tuhv.gov Newsgroups: news.groups Date: 17 Jul 1998 12:47:44 GMT X-No-Archive: Yes Organization: HipCrime International, unLtd. NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.237.253.7 Lines: 2 Path: ...!howland.erols.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!rain.fr!194.250.238.3!nntp.HipCrime.new!cyberspam!hipcancel!usenet Cancelled by HipCrime's NewsAgent. From csp@euro-share.com Tue Jul 21 12:52:21 1998 Control: cancel <901050729.1472@isc.org> Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back Message-ID: From: "Tim Skipper (Proponent)" Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.comp.freeware,alt.comp.shareware,alt.comp.shareware.authors,alt.comp.shareware.for-kids,alt.comp.shareware.programmer,comp.programming Subject: cmsg cancel <901050729.1472@isc.org> Followup-To: news.groups Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org Archive-Name: comp.software.shareware Date: 21 Jul 98 19:52:20 GMT Lines: 2 Xref: news.isc.org control.cancel:2651668 Unapproved article for news.announce.newgroups auto-cancelled by daemon on behalf of moderator. From dave@dogwood.com Wed Aug 26 00:30:12 1998 Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back From: Dave Cornejo Reply-To: vote@dogwood.com Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.comp.freeware,alt.comp.shareware,alt.comp.shareware.authors,alt.comp.shareware.for-kids,alt.comp.shareware.programmer,comp.programming Subject: CFV: comp.software.shareware.* Followup-To: poster Message-ID: <904116537.22081@isc.org> Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org Expires: 17 Sep 1998 00:00:00 GMT Archive-Name: comp.software.shareware Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 07:28:57 GMT Lines: 205 Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:10560 news.groups:294535 comp.programming:56761 FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2) moderated group comp.software.shareware.announce moderated group comp.software.shareware.authors moderated group comp.software.shareware.users Newsgroups lines: comp.software.shareware.announce Shareware announcements. (Moderated) comp.software.shareware.authors Creation of shareware. (Moderated) comp.software.shareware.users Use of shareware. (Moderated) Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 16 Sep 1998. This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. Questions about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent. Proponent: Tim Skipper Votetaker: Dave Cornejo RATIONALE: comp.software.shareware.announce There is currently no definitive place for authors of shareware programs to announce their products in a moderated, and therefore spam-free newsgroup. This newsgroups is important as it will provide a valuable service to authors; Potential users of shareware will also know where they can find the information they need on new products. The existing alt.comp.shareware.* groups are entirely unusable for any kind of sensible and professional purpose due to excessive spamming, flame wars and thread hijacking. RATIONALE: comp.software.shareware.authors This newsgroup will provide an invaluable source of information and discussion for authors of shareware products. The moderated environment will ensure the kind of behaviour currently experienced by the few authors that still attempt to discuss shareware in the existing alt.comp.shareware.* groups does not exist here. In short, without this newsgroup there is nowhere the shareware professional can publically discuss their profession without fear of flaming or thread hijacking. RATIONALE: comp.software.shareware.users This newsgroup will provide an invaluable source of information and discussion for users of shareware products. The moderated environment will ensure the kind of behaviour currently experienced in the alt.comp.shareware.* groups does not exist here. In short, this newsgroup will provide a safe place for users of shareware to discuss the products that interest them without having to wade through flame-wars, off-topic posts and sex/getrichquick scams. CHARTER: comp.software.shareware.announce This is a moderated newsgroup, intended for informational announcements related to shareware products and resources. Without limitation, appropriate topics may include: Announcements of new shareware releases. Announcements of shareware FTP and WWW archives. Announcements regarding shareware related services, such as credit card registration services. This group is not intended for discussion about shareware, and follow-ups to articles in this group should be posted elsewhere. Commercial advertisements are not acceptable except insofar as they are bona fide one-off announcements of new shareware products or services. Cross-posting between this newsgroup and other comp.software.shareware.* groups is not acceptable. END CHARTER. CHARTER: comp.software.shareware.authors This is a moderated newsgroup, intended for discussion related to the creation and sale of shareware software. Without limitation, acceptable postings may relate to: Development issues. Programming issues. Marketing techniques. Distribution techniques. Binary postings are not acceptable, although pointers to binary postings in appropriate binaries groups are. Commercial advertisements are not acceptable except insofar as they are bona fide one-off announcements of new shareware products. Cross-posting between this newsgroup and other comp.software.shareware.* newsgroups is not acceptable. END CHARTER. CHARTER: comp.software.shareware.users This is a moderated newsgroup, intended for discussion related to the use of shareware software. Without limitation, acceptable postings may relate to: Support questions. Bugs, fixes and workarounds. Usage tips. Shareware reviews and comparisons. Binary postings are not acceptable, although pointers to binary postings in appropriate binaries groups are. Commercial advertisements are not acceptable. Cross-posting between this newsgroup and other comp.software.shareware.* newsgroups is not acceptable. END CHARTER. MODERATOR INFO: comp.software.shareware.announce Moderator: Scott Kane Moderator: Tim Skipper Administrative contact address: cssanadmin@micronexus.com.au Article submission address: cssansubmit@micronexus.com.au END MODERATOR INFO. MODERATOR INFO: comp.software.shareware.authors Moderator: Scott Kane Moderator: Tim Skipper Administrative contact address: cssaadmin@micronexus.com.au Article submission address: cssasubmit@micronexus.com.au END MODERATOR INFO. MODERATOR INFO: comp.software.shareware.users Moderator: Scott Kane Moderator: Tim Skipper Administrative contact address: cssuadmin@micronexus.com.au Article submission address: cssusubmit@micronexus.com.au END MODERATOR INFO. HOW TO VOTE: Follow these instructions *exactly*! Votes are counted by computer. You should send E-MAIL (posts to a newsgroup are invalid) to: vote@dogwood.com Please do not assume that just replying to this message will work. Check the address before you mail your vote. Your mail message should contain one and only one of each of the following vote statements. Fill in YES, NO, CANCEL, or ABSTAIN between the "[]". [ ] comp.software.shareware.announce [ ] comp.software.shareware.authors [ ] comp.software.shareware.users Voter name: If your mail software does not indicate your real name (for example, AOL does not), include _exactly_ the statement above on a _separate_ line and add your name after the colon. Having your name in your signature line is NOT enough! Do NOT join the lines together or remove the words "Voter name"! You may also vote ABSTAIN (which records an empty vote) or CANCEL (which removes any earlier votes). ABSTAIN does not affect the final vote count in any way but is listed, whereas CANCEL is not. IMPORTANT VOTING PROCEDURE NOTES: Standard Guidelines for voting apply. One vote per person, one account per voter. Votes must be mailed directly from the voter to the votetaker. Anonymous, forwarded or proxy votes are not valid. Votes mailed by WWW/HTML/CGI forms are considered to be anonymous votes. Votes from non-existent email addresses are not valid. Vote counting is automated. Failure to follow these directions may mean that your vote does not get counted. If you do not receive an acknowledgment of your vote within three days contact the votetaker about the problem. It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly. Duplicate votes are resolved in favor of the most recent valid vote. Addresses, names and votes of all voters will be published in the final voting results post. The purpose of a Usenet vote is to determine the genuine interest of persons who would read a proposed newsgroup. Soliciting votes from disinterested parties defeats this purpose. Please do not distribute this CFV. If you must, direct people to the official CFV as posted to news.announce.newgroups. Distributing pre-marked or otherwise edited copies of this CFV is generally considered to be vote fraud. When in doubt, ask the votetaker. DISTRIBUTION: In addition to the groups named in the Newsgroups: header, the CFV and the eventual RESULT posts will be mailed to these mailing lists: Mailing list name: Euro-Share Submission address: euro-share@euro-share.com Request address (optional): subscribe@euro-share.com Pointers directing readers to this CFV will be posted in these groups: asp.members asp.public_discussion -- Voting question & problems: Dave Cornejo Voting address: vote@dogwood.com From dave@dogwood.com Tue Sep 8 07:00:11 1998 Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back From: Dave Cornejo Reply-To: vote@dogwood.com Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.comp.freeware,alt.comp.shareware,alt.comp.shareware.authors,alt.comp.shareware.for-kids,alt.comp.shareware.programmer,comp.programming Subject: 2nd CFV: comp.software.shareware.* Followup-To: poster Message-ID: <905262937.24573@isc.org> References: <904116537.22081@isc.org> Supersedes: <904116537.22081@isc.org> Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org Expires: 17 Sep 1998 00:00:00 GMT Archive-Name: comp.software.shareware Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 13:55:38 GMT Lines: 205 Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:10579 news.groups:295544 comp.programming:57733 LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2) moderated group comp.software.shareware.announce moderated group comp.software.shareware.authors moderated group comp.software.shareware.users Newsgroups lines: comp.software.shareware.announce Shareware announcements. (Moderated) comp.software.shareware.authors Creation of shareware. (Moderated) comp.software.shareware.users Use of shareware. (Moderated) Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 16 Sep 1998. This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. Questions about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent. Proponent: Tim Skipper Votetaker: Dave Cornejo RATIONALE: comp.software.shareware.announce There is currently no definitive place for authors of shareware programs to announce their products in a moderated, and therefore spam-free newsgroup. This newsgroups is important as it will provide a valuable service to authors; Potential users of shareware will also know where they can find the information they need on new products. The existing alt.comp.shareware.* groups are entirely unusable for any kind of sensible and professional purpose due to excessive spamming, flame wars and thread hijacking. RATIONALE: comp.software.shareware.authors This newsgroup will provide an invaluable source of information and discussion for authors of shareware products. The moderated environment will ensure the kind of behaviour currently experienced by the few authors that still attempt to discuss shareware in the existing alt.comp.shareware.* groups does not exist here. In short, without this newsgroup there is nowhere the shareware professional can publically discuss their profession without fear of flaming or thread hijacking. RATIONALE: comp.software.shareware.users This newsgroup will provide an invaluable source of information and discussion for users of shareware products. The moderated environment will ensure the kind of behaviour currently experienced in the alt.comp.shareware.* groups does not exist here. In short, this newsgroup will provide a safe place for users of shareware to discuss the products that interest them without having to wade through flame-wars, off-topic posts and sex/getrichquick scams. CHARTER: comp.software.shareware.announce This is a moderated newsgroup, intended for informational announcements related to shareware products and resources. Without limitation, appropriate topics may include: Announcements of new shareware releases. Announcements of shareware FTP and WWW archives. Announcements regarding shareware related services, such as credit card registration services. This group is not intended for discussion about shareware, and follow-ups to articles in this group should be posted elsewhere. Commercial advertisements are not acceptable except insofar as they are bona fide one-off announcements of new shareware products or services. Cross-posting between this newsgroup and other comp.software.shareware.* groups is not acceptable. END CHARTER. CHARTER: comp.software.shareware.authors This is a moderated newsgroup, intended for discussion related to the creation and sale of shareware software. Without limitation, acceptable postings may relate to: Development issues. Programming issues. Marketing techniques. Distribution techniques. Binary postings are not acceptable, although pointers to binary postings in appropriate binaries groups are. Commercial advertisements are not acceptable except insofar as they are bona fide one-off announcements of new shareware products. Cross-posting between this newsgroup and other comp.software.shareware.* newsgroups is not acceptable. END CHARTER. CHARTER: comp.software.shareware.users This is a moderated newsgroup, intended for discussion related to the use of shareware software. Without limitation, acceptable postings may relate to: Support questions. Bugs, fixes and workarounds. Usage tips. Shareware reviews and comparisons. Binary postings are not acceptable, although pointers to binary postings in appropriate binaries groups are. Commercial advertisements are not acceptable. Cross-posting between this newsgroup and other comp.software.shareware.* newsgroups is not acceptable. END CHARTER. MODERATOR INFO: comp.software.shareware.announce Moderator: Scott Kane Moderator: Tim Skipper Administrative contact address: cssanadmin@micronexus.com.au Article submission address: cssansubmit@micronexus.com.au END MODERATOR INFO. MODERATOR INFO: comp.software.shareware.authors Moderator: Scott Kane Moderator: Tim Skipper Administrative contact address: cssaadmin@micronexus.com.au Article submission address: cssasubmit@micronexus.com.au END MODERATOR INFO. MODERATOR INFO: comp.software.shareware.users Moderator: Scott Kane Moderator: Tim Skipper Administrative contact address: cssuadmin@micronexus.com.au Article submission address: cssusubmit@micronexus.com.au END MODERATOR INFO. HOW TO VOTE: Follow these instructions *exactly*! Votes are counted by computer. You should send E-MAIL (posts to a newsgroup are invalid) to: vote@dogwood.com Please do not assume that just replying to this message will work. Check the address before you mail your vote. Your mail message should contain one and only one of each of the following vote statements. Fill in YES, NO, CANCEL, or ABSTAIN between the "[]". [ ] comp.software.shareware.announce [ ] comp.software.shareware.authors [ ] comp.software.shareware.users Voter name: If your mail software does not indicate your real name (for example, AOL does not), include _exactly_ the statement above on a _separate_ line and add your name after the colon. Having your name in your signature line is NOT enough! Do NOT join the lines together or remove the words "Voter name"! You may also vote ABSTAIN (which records an empty vote) or CANCEL (which removes any earlier votes). ABSTAIN does not affect the final vote count in any way but is listed, whereas CANCEL is not. IMPORTANT VOTING PROCEDURE NOTES: Standard Guidelines for voting apply. One vote per person, one account per voter. Votes must be mailed directly from the voter to the votetaker. Anonymous, forwarded or proxy votes are not valid. Votes mailed by WWW/HTML/CGI forms are considered to be anonymous votes. Votes from non-existent email addresses are not valid. Vote counting is automated. Failure to follow these directions may mean that your vote does not get counted. If you do not receive an acknowledgment of your vote within three days contact the votetaker about the problem. It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly. Duplicate votes are resolved in favor of the most recent valid vote. Addresses, names and votes of all voters will be published in the final voting results post. The purpose of a Usenet vote is to determine the genuine interest of persons who would read a proposed newsgroup. Soliciting votes from disinterested parties defeats this purpose. Please do not distribute this CFV. If you must, direct people to the official CFV as posted to news.announce.newgroups. Distributing pre-marked or otherwise edited copies of this CFV is generally considered to be vote fraud. When in doubt, ask the votetaker. DISTRIBUTION: In addition to the groups named in the Newsgroups: header, the CFV and the eventual RESULT posts will be mailed to these mailing lists: Mailing list name: Euro-Share Submission address: euro-share@euro-share.com Request address (optional): subscribe@euro-share.com Pointers directing readers to this CFV will be posted in these groups: asp.members asp.public_discussion -- Voting question & problems: Dave Cornejo Voting address: vote@dogwood.com From dave@dogwood.com Tue Sep 22 12:59:07 1998 Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back From: Dave Cornejo Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.comp.freeware,alt.comp.shareware,alt.comp.shareware.authors,alt.comp.shareware.for-kids,alt.comp.shareware.programmer,comp.programming Subject: RESULT: comp.software.shareware.* all groups pass Followup-To: news.groups Message-ID: <906492872.29988@isc.org> References: <904116537.22081@isc.org> <905262937.24573@isc.org> Supersedes: <905262937.24573@isc.org> Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org Archive-Name: comp.software.shareware Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 19:34:32 GMT Lines: 550 Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:10592 news.groups:296655 comp.programming:58571 RESULT moderated group comp.software.shareware.announce passes 334:22 moderated group comp.software.shareware.authors passes 323:26 moderated group comp.software.shareware.users passes 322:29 comp.software.shareware.* results - 362 valid votes Yes No | 2/3 >100 | Pass | Group ---- ---- | --- ---- | ---- | ------------------------------------------- 334 22 | Yes Yes | Yes | comp.software.shareware.announce 323 26 | Yes Yes | Yes | comp.software.shareware.authors 322 29 | Yes Yes | Yes | comp.software.shareware.users 2 invalid ballots A five day discussion period follows this announcement. If no serious allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the moderator of news.announce.newgroups will create the groups shortly thereafter. Newsgroups lines: comp.software.shareware.announce Shareware announcements. (Moderated) comp.software.shareware.authors Creation of shareware. (Moderated) comp.software.shareware.users Use of shareware. (Moderated) Voting closed at 23:59:59 UTC, 16 Sep 1998. This vote was conducted by a neutral third party. Questions about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent. Proponent: Tim Skipper Votetaker: Dave Cornejo RATIONALE: comp.software.shareware.announce There is currently no definitive place for authors of shareware programs to announce their products in a moderated, and therefore spam-free newsgroup. This newsgroups is important as it will provide a valuable service to authors; Potential users of shareware will also know where they can find the information they need on new products. The existing alt.comp.shareware.* groups are entirely unusable for any kind of sensible and professional purpose due to excessive spamming, flame wars and thread hijacking. RATIONALE: comp.software.shareware.authors This newsgroup will provide an invaluable source of information and discussion for authors of shareware products. The moderated environment will ensure the kind of behaviour currently experienced by the few authors that still attempt to discuss shareware in the existing alt.comp.shareware.* groups does not exist here. In short, without this newsgroup there is nowhere the shareware professional can publically discuss their profession without fear of flaming or thread hijacking. RATIONALE: comp.software.shareware.users This newsgroup will provide an invaluable source of information and discussion for users of shareware products. The moderated environment will ensure the kind of behaviour currently experienced in the alt.comp.shareware.* groups does not exist here. In short, this newsgroup will provide a safe place for users of shareware to discuss the products that interest them without having to wade through flame-wars, off-topic posts and sex/getrichquick scams. CHARTER: comp.software.shareware.announce This is a moderated newsgroup, intended for informational announcements related to shareware products and resources. Without limitation, appropriate topics may include: Announcements of new shareware releases. Announcements of shareware FTP and WWW archives. Announcements regarding shareware related services, such as credit card registration services. This group is not intended for discussion about shareware, and follow-ups to articles in this group should be posted elsewhere. Commercial advertisements are not acceptable except insofar as they are bona fide one-off announcements of new shareware products or services. Cross-posting between this newsgroup and other comp.software.shareware.* groups is not acceptable. END CHARTER. CHARTER: comp.software.shareware.authors This is a moderated newsgroup, intended for discussion related to the creation and sale of shareware software. Without limitation, acceptable postings may relate to: Development issues. Programming issues. Marketing techniques. Distribution techniques. Binary postings are not acceptable, although pointers to binary postings in appropriate binaries groups are. Commercial advertisements are not acceptable except insofar as they are bona fide one-off announcements of new shareware products. Cross-posting between this newsgroup and other comp.software.shareware.* newsgroups is not acceptable. END CHARTER. CHARTER: comp.software.shareware.users This is a moderated newsgroup, intended for discussion related to the use of shareware software. Without limitation, acceptable postings may relate to: Support questions. Bugs, fixes and workarounds. Usage tips. Shareware reviews and comparisons. Binary postings are not acceptable, although pointers to binary postings in appropriate binaries groups are. Commercial advertisements are not acceptable. Cross-posting between this newsgroup and other comp.software.shareware.* newsgroups is not acceptable. END CHARTER. MODERATOR INFO: comp.software.shareware.announce Moderator: Scott Kane Moderator: Tim Skipper Administrative contact address: cssanadmin@micronexus.com.au Article submission address: cssansubmit@micronexus.com.au END MODERATOR INFO. MODERATOR INFO: comp.software.shareware.authors Moderator: Scott Kane Moderator: Tim Skipper Administrative contact address: cssaadmin@micronexus.com.au Article submission address: cssasubmit@micronexus.com.au END MODERATOR INFO. MODERATOR INFO: comp.software.shareware.users Moderator: Scott Kane Moderator: Tim Skipper Administrative contact address: cssuadmin@micronexus.com.au Article submission address: cssusubmit@micronexus.com.au END MODERATOR INFO. DISTRIBUTION: In addition to the groups named in the Newsgroups: header, the CFV and the eventual RESULT posts will be mailed to these mailing lists: Mailing list name: Euro-Share Submission address: euro-share@euro-share.com Request address (optional): subscribe@euro-share.com Pointers directing readers to this CFV will be posted in these groups: asp.members asp.public_discussion comp.software.shareware.* Final Voter list comp.software.shareware.users -----+ comp.software.shareware.authors ----+| comp.software.shareware.announce ---+|| ||| ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- a9004468#unet.univie.ac.at Andreas Ulovec Y-- Collins.Darren.DA#bhp.com.au Darren Collins YYY gavan#magna.com.au Gavan Schneider YYY manager#micronexus.com.au Scott Kane YYY tim_josling#nag.national.com.au Tim Josling YYY billd#ne.com.au Bill Dimech YYY micros#OntheNet.com.au = YYY Gary#ozemail.com.au Gary Hudson YYY jgardner#collaw.edu.au James Gardner YYY gmbra#cygnus.uwa.edu.au Graeme Worth YYY esb#gold.net.au Glenn Crouch YYY esbpeter#gold.net.au Peter Ogden YYY tim#goulburn.net.au Tim Lawson YYY aquatech#netcon.net.au Tim Jones YYY stevep#zeta.org.au Stephen Powell Y-- stg#stg.com.br Luiz Marques YYY csmeu#chat.carleton.ca Cosmin Smeu YYY ch865#freenet.carleton.ca Yves Pelletier YYY crleech#freenet.carleton.ca C. 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