From stromberg@inxink.com Fri Sep 13 13:35:18 1996 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: stromberg@inxink.com (Greg Stromberg) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.text,comp.text.desktop,comp.publish.prepress Subject: RFD: misc.industry.printing moderated Followup-To: news.groups Date: 13 Sep 1996 17:35:04 -0000 Organization: . Lines: 124 Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net Approved: newgroups-request@uunet.uu.net Message-ID: <842636102.17888@uunet.uu.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Archive-Name: misc.industry.printing Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:9134 news.groups:230532 comp.text:15514 comp.text.desktop:11726 comp.publish.prepress:19467 REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD) moderated group misc.industry.printing This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the creation of a moderated Usenet newsgroup misc.industry.printing. This is not a Call for Votes (CFV); you cannot vote at this time. Procedural details are below. Proposed newsgroup: misc.industry.printing, a moderated discussion forum for the printing industry. Newsgroups line: misc.industry.printing Discussion forum for the printing industry. (Moderated) RATIONALE: misc.industry.printing There are over 150,000 printers in the United States alone. The need to have current updated information and to stay ahead of competitors is growing at an unbelievable rate. Old information can put a person out of a job or a company out of business. Pri nters worldwide will benefit from a forum to share best practices, ways to cut costs, process optimization, and the like. A search of existing USENET newsgroups on September 4, 1996 identified no newsgroups specifically on printing. Three newsgroups were located that partially related to printing, specifically relating to prepress and desktop publishing: comp.publish.prepress, comp.text, and comp.text.desktop. None of these newsgroups related directly to the printing industry as a whole. In addition, a search of existing email-based discussion groups (listservs) identified no newsgroups specifically on printing. An increasing number of printers worldwide are accessing the Internet for information on how to do business better. Printers are without a forum to do this currently. The misc.industry.printing newsgroup will fill that need by providing an "interactive global learning network" for printers. CHARTER: misc.industry.printing Articles suitable for posting to misc.industry.printing are those pertaining to topics related to the printing industry. Expected topics of discussion include (but are not limited to): * Environmental issues * Trading * Process management * Problems * New equipment * Raw material sourcing * Training * Best practices * Total quality management * Electronics * New technology * Sales/Marketing * Prepress * Applied R&D * Barter * Contacts * Trends Inappropriate posts would include: * Advertising. This newsgroup allows those involved with the printing industry to help those individuals who share questions or concerns with the group. This is NOT a forum for advertising and commercial interests and such posts will NOT be welcome. If you have a product or service to sell, please post your message in other, more appropriate locations. * Inappropriate behavior. Inappropriate posts, spamming,advertisement, foul language, or innuendos that are disrespectful of the other users or groups of people. Moderation policies: The moderators will abide by the following policies: * The moderators will be unbiased in their approval and rejection of postings. * The moderators will work to insure that the quality of discussions are kept high and free of unsolicited advertising * The moderators will reject articles that do not conform to this charter. END CHARTER. MODERATOR INFO: misc.industry.printing Moderator: Greg Stromberg The proposed moderator is Greg Strombeg , the Vice President of marketing for INX International Ink Co. (http://www.inxink.com), the third largest ink manufacturer in North America. He has been working with the printing industry for the past nineteen years. INX produces custom-engineered inks and coatings for publication, commercial, packaging and specialty printers. INX is a proud sponsor of PrinterNet (http://www.printer.net), a free service on the Internet that offers a fully-searchable directory of thousands of printers worldwide, web-based discussion groups relevant to the printing industry, and pointers to printing resources on the Net. END MODERATOR INFO. PROCEDURE: This is a request for discussion, not a call for votes. In this phase of the process, any potential problems with the proposed newsgroups should be raised and resolved. The discussion period will continue for a minimum of 21 days (starting from when the first RFD for this proposal is posted to news.announce.newgroups), after which a Call For Votes (CFV) may be posted by a neutral vote taker if the discussion warrants it. Please do not attempt to vote until this happens. All discussion of this proposal should be posted to news.groups. This RFD attempts to comply fully with the Usenet newsgroup creation guidelines outlined in "How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup" and "How to Format and Submit a New Group Proposal". Please refer to these documents (available in news.announce.newgroups) if you have any questions about the process. DISTRIBUTION: This RFD has been posted to the following newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, comp.text, comp.text.desktop, comp.publish.prepress Proponent: Greg Stromberg From jpatokal@alpha.hut.fi Wed Oct 23 17:18:49 1996 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: Jani Patokallio Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.publish.prepress,comp.text,comp.text.desktop Subject: CFV: misc.industry.printing moderated Followup-To: poster Date: 23 Oct 1996 21:18:45 -0000 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Lines: 154 Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net Approved: newgroups-request@uunet.uu.net Expires: 14 Nov 1996 00:00:00 GMT Message-ID: <846105523.8946@uunet.uu.net> Reply-To: voting@hut.fi NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Archive-Name: misc.industry.printing Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:9298 news.groups:236146 comp.publish.prepress:20498 comp.text:15584 comp.text.desktop:12097 FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2) moderated group misc.industry.printing Newsgroups line: misc.industry.printing A forum for the printing industry. (Moderated) Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 13 Nov 1996. This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. Questions about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent. Proponent: Greg Stromberg Votetaker: Jani Patokallio RATIONALE: misc.industry.printing There are over 150,000 printers in the United States alone. The need to have current updated information and to stay ahead of competitors is growing at an unbelievable rate. Old information can put a person out of a job or a company out of business. Printers worldwide will benefit from a forum to share best practices, ways to cut costs, process optimization, and the like. A search of existing USENET newsgroups on September, 1996 identified no newsgroups specifically on printing. Three newsgoups were located that partially related to printing, specifically relating to prepress and desktop publishing: comp.publish.prepress, comp.text, and comp.text.desktop. None of these newsgroups related directly to the printing industry as a whole. In addition, a search of exising email-based discussion groups (listservs) identified no newsgroups specifically on printing. An increasing number of printers worldwide are accessing the Internet for information on how to do business better. Printers are without a forum to do this currently. The misc.industry.printing newsgroup will fill that need by providing an "interactive global learning network" for printers. CHARTER: misc.industry.printing Articles suitable for posting to misc.industry.printing are those pertaining to topics related to the printing industry. Expected topics of discussion include (but are not limited to): * Environmental Issues * Trading * Process Management * Problems * New equipment * Raw material sourcing * Training * Best practices * Total Quality Management * Electonics * New Technology * Sales / Marketing * Prepress * Applied R&D * Barter * Contacts * Trends Inappropriate posts would include: * Advertising. This newsgroup allows those involved with the printing industry to help those individuals who share questions or concerns with the group. This is NOT a forum for advertising and commercial interests and such posts will not be welcome. If you have a product or service to sell, please post your message in other, more appropriate locations. * Inappropriate behavior. Inappropriate posts, spamming, advertisement, foul language or innuendos that are disrespectful of the other users or groups of people. Moderation policies: The moderator will abide by the following policies: * The moderator will be unbiased in their approval and rejection of postings. * The moderator will work to insure that the quality of discussions are kept high and free of unsolicited advertising. * The moderator will reject articles that do not conform to this charter. END CHARTER. MODERATOR INFO: misc.industry.printing Moderator: stromberg@inxink.com (Greg Stromberg) Administrative contact address: printing-request@printer.net Article submission address: printing@printer.net END MODERATOR INFO. HOW TO VOTE: Follow these instructions *exactly*! Votes are counted by computer. You should send E-MAIL (posts to a newsgroup are invalid) to: voting@hut.fi Please do not assume that just replying to this message will work. Check the address before you mail your vote. Your mail message should contain one and only one of the following vote statements: I vote YES on misc.industry.printing I vote NO on misc.industry.printing Voter name: If your mail software does not indicate your real name (for example, AOL and Delphi do not), include _exactly_ the statement above on a _separate_ line and add your name after the colon. Having your name in your signature line is NOT enough! Do NOT join the lines together or remove the words "Voter name"! You may also vote ABSTAIN (which does exactly that) or CANCEL (which removes any earlier votes). ABSTAIN does not affect the final vote count in any way but is listed, whereas CANCEL is not. IMPORTANT VOTING PROCEDURE NOTES: Standard Guidelines for voting apply. One person, one vote. Votes must be mailed directly from the voter to the votetaker. Anonymous, forwarded or proxy votes are not valid. Votes mailed by WWW/HTML/CGI forms are considered to be anonymous votes. Vote counting is automated. Failure to follow these directions may mean that your vote does not get counted. If you do not receive an acknowledgment of your vote within three days contact the votetaker about the problem. It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly. Duplicate votes are resolved in favor of the most recent valid vote. Addresses and votes of all voters will be published in the final voting results post. The purpose of a Usenet vote is to determine the genuine interest of persons who would read a proposed newsgroup. Soliciting votes from disinterested parties defeats this purpose. Please do not distribute this CFV. If you must, direct people to the official CFV as posted to news.announce.newgroups. Distributing pre-marked or otherwise edited copies of this CFV is generally considered to be vote fraud. When in doubt, ask the votetaker. -- Jani Patokallio Voting address: From jpatokal@alpha.hut.fi Sat Nov 2 12:28:50 1996 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: Jani Patokallio Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.publish.prepress,comp.text,comp.text.desktop Subject: 2nd CFV: misc.industry.printing moderated Supersedes: <846105523.8946@uunet.uu.net> Followup-To: poster Date: 2 Nov 1996 17:28:48 -0000 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Lines: 154 Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net Approved: newgroups-request@uunet.uu.net Expires: 14 Nov 1996 00:00:00 GMT Message-ID: <846955727.1096@uunet.uu.net> Reply-To: voting@hut.fi NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Archive-Name: misc.industry.printing Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:9321 news.groups:237414 comp.publish.prepress:20852 comp.text:15609 comp.text.desktop:12205 LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2) moderated group misc.industry.printing Newsgroups line: misc.industry.printing A forum for the printing industry. (Moderated) Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 13 Nov 1996. This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. Questions about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent. Proponent: Greg Stromberg Votetaker: Jani Patokallio RATIONALE: misc.industry.printing There are over 150,000 printers in the United States alone. The need to have current updated information and to stay ahead of competitors is growing at an unbelievable rate. Old information can put a person out of a job or a company out of business. Printers worldwide will benefit from a forum to share best practices, ways to cut costs, process optimization, and the like. A search of existing USENET newsgroups on September, 1996 identified no newsgroups specifically on printing. Three newsgoups were located that partially related to printing, specifically relating to prepress and desktop publishing: comp.publish.prepress, comp.text, and comp.text.desktop. None of these newsgroups related directly to the printing industry as a whole. In addition, a search of exising email-based discussion groups (listservs) identified no newsgroups specifically on printing. An increasing number of printers worldwide are accessing the Internet for information on how to do business better. Printers are without a forum to do this currently. The misc.industry.printing newsgroup will fill that need by providing an "interactive global learning network" for printers. CHARTER: misc.industry.printing Articles suitable for posting to misc.industry.printing are those pertaining to topics related to the printing industry. Expected topics of discussion include (but are not limited to): * Environmental Issues * Trading * Process Management * Problems * New equipment * Raw material sourcing * Training * Best practices * Total Quality Management * Electonics * New Technology * Sales / Marketing * Prepress * Applied R&D * Barter * Contacts * Trends Inappropriate posts would include: * Advertising. This newsgroup allows those involved with the printing industry to help those individuals who share questions or concerns with the group. This is NOT a forum for advertising and commercial interests and such posts will not be welcome. If you have a product or service to sell, please post your message in other, more appropriate locations. * Inappropriate behavior. Inappropriate posts, spamming, advertisement, foul language or innuendos that are disrespectful of the other users or groups of people. Moderation policies: The moderator will abide by the following policies: * The moderator will be unbiased in their approval and rejection of postings. * The moderator will work to insure that the quality of discussions are kept high and free of unsolicited advertising. * The moderator will reject articles that do not conform to this charter. END CHARTER. MODERATOR INFO: misc.industry.printing Moderator: stromberg@inxink.com (Greg Stromberg) Administrative contact address: printing-request@printer.net Article submission address: printing@printer.net END MODERATOR INFO. HOW TO VOTE: Follow these instructions *exactly*! Votes are counted by computer. You should send E-MAIL (posts to a newsgroup are invalid) to: voting@hut.fi Please do not assume that just replying to this message will work. Check the address before you mail your vote. Your mail message should contain one and only one of the following vote statements: I vote YES on misc.industry.printing I vote NO on misc.industry.printing Voter name: If your mail software does not indicate your real name (for example, AOL and Delphi do not), include _exactly_ the statement above on a _separate_ line and add your name after the colon. Having your name in your signature line is NOT enough! Do NOT join the lines together or remove the words "Voter name"! You may also vote ABSTAIN (which does exactly that) or CANCEL (which removes any earlier votes). ABSTAIN does not affect the final vote count in any way but is listed, whereas CANCEL is not. IMPORTANT VOTING PROCEDURE NOTES: Standard Guidelines for voting apply. One person, one vote. Votes must be mailed directly from the voter to the votetaker. Anonymous, forwarded or proxy votes are not valid. Votes mailed by WWW/HTML/CGI forms are considered to be anonymous votes. Vote counting is automated. Failure to follow these directions may mean that your vote does not get counted. If you do not receive an acknowledgment of your vote within three days contact the votetaker about the problem. It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly. Duplicate votes are resolved in favor of the most recent valid vote. Addresses and votes of all voters will be published in the final voting results post. The purpose of a Usenet vote is to determine the genuine interest of persons who would read a proposed newsgroup. Soliciting votes from disinterested parties defeats this purpose. Please do not distribute this CFV. If you must, direct people to the official CFV as posted to news.announce.newgroups. Distributing pre-marked or otherwise edited copies of this CFV is generally considered to be vote fraud. When in doubt, ask the votetaker. -- Jani Patokallio Voting address: From jpatokal@alpha.hut.fi Thu Nov 14 14:36:53 1996 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: Jani Patokallio Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.publish.prepress,comp.text,comp.text.desktop Subject: RESULT: misc.industry.printing moderated passes 180:15 Supersedes: <846955727.1096@uunet.uu.net> Followup-To: news.groups Date: 14 Nov 1996 14:36:49 -0500 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Lines: 114 Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net Approved: newgroups-request@uunet.uu.net Message-ID: <848000207.29926@uunet.uu.net> Reply-To: jpatokal@alpha.hut.fi NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Archive-Name: misc.industry.printing Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:9346 news.groups:239066 comp.publish.prepress:21229 comp.text:15629 comp.text.desktop:12299 RESULT moderated group misc.industry.printing passes 180:15 There were 180 YES votes and 15 NO votes, for a total of 195 valid votes. For group passage, YES votes must be at least 2/3 of all valid (YES and NO) votes. There also must be at least 100 more YES votes than NO votes. There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted. If no serious allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the moderator of news.announce.newgroups will create the group shortly thereafter. Newsgroups line: misc.industry.printing A forum for the printing industry. (Moderated) The voting period closed at 23:59:59 UTC, 13 Nov 1996. This vote was conducted by a neutral third party. Questions about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent. Proponent: Greg Stromberg Votetaker: Jani Patokallio RATIONALE: misc.industry.printing There are over 150,000 printers in the United States alone. The need to have current updated information and to stay ahead of competitors is growing at an unbelievable rate. Old information can put a person out of a job or a company out of business. Printers worldwide will benefit from a forum to share best practices, ways to cut costs, process optimization, and the like. A search of existing USENET newsgroups on September, 1996 identified no newsgroups specifically on printing. Three newsgoups were located that partially related to printing, specifically relating to prepress and desktop publishing: comp.publish.prepress, comp.text, and comp.text.desktop. None of these newsgroups related directly to the printing industry as a whole. In addition, a search of exising email-based discussion groups (listservs) identified no newsgroups specifically on printing. An increasing number of printers worldwide are accessing the Internet for information on how to do business better. Printers are without a forum to do this currently. The misc.industry.printing newsgroup will fill that need by providing an "interactive global learning network" for printers. CHARTER: misc.industry.printing Articles suitable for posting to misc.industry.printing are those pertaining to topics related to the printing industry. Expected topics of discussion include (but are not limited to): * Environmental Issues * Trading * Process Management * Problems * New equipment * Raw material sourcing * Training * Best practices * Total Quality Management * Electonics * New Technology * Sales / Marketing * Prepress * Applied R&D * Barter * Contacts * Trends Inappropriate posts would include: * Advertising. This newsgroup allows those involved with the printing industry to help those individuals who share questions or concerns with the group. This is NOT a forum for advertising and commercial interests and such posts will not be welcome. If you have a product or service to sell, please post your message in other, more appropriate locations. * Inappropriate behavior. Inappropriate posts, spamming, advertisement, foul language or innuendos that are disrespectful of the other users or groups of people. Moderation policies: The moderator will abide by the following policies: * The moderator will be unbiased in their approval and rejection of postings. * The moderator will work to insure that the quality of discussions are kept high and free of unsolicited advertising. * The moderator will reject articles that do not conform to this charter. END CHARTER. MODERATOR INFO: misc.industry.printing Moderator: stromberg@inxink.com (Greg Stromberg) Administrative contact address: printing-request@printer.net Article submission address: printing@printer.net END MODERATOR INFO. -- Jani Patokallio Voting address: From jpatokal@alpha.hut.fi Thu Nov 14 14:49:57 1996 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: Jani Patokallio Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.publish.prepress,comp.text,comp.text.desktop Subject: RESULT: misc.industry.printing moderated passes 186:15 Supersedes: <846955727.1096@uunet.uu.net> Followup-To: news.groups Date: 14 Nov 1996 14:49:35 -0500 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Lines: 329 Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net Approved: newgroups-request@uunet.uu.net Message-ID: <848000973.3045@uunet.uu.net> Reply-To: jpatokal@alpha.hut.fi NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Archive-Name: misc.industry.printing Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:9348 news.groups:239069 comp.publish.prepress:21230 comp.text:15630 comp.text.desktop:12300 RESULT moderated group misc.industry.printing passes 186:15 There were 186 YES votes and 15 NO votes, for a total of 201 valid votes. For group passage, YES votes must be at least 2/3 of all valid (YES and NO) votes. There also must be at least 100 more YES votes than NO votes. There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted. If no serious allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the moderator of news.announce.newgroups will create the group shortly thereafter. Newsgroups line: misc.industry.printing A forum for the printing industry. (Moderated) The voting period closed at 23:59:59 UTC, 13 Nov 1996. This vote was conducted by a neutral third party. Questions about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent. Proponent: Greg Stromberg Votetaker: Jani Patokallio VOTETAKER'S NOTE: The acknowledgements list, together with 5 uncounted votes, were accidentally left out of the first posting. They have been included here, and the tally in this post is the final one. RATIONALE: misc.industry.printing There are over 150,000 printers in the United States alone. The need to have current updated information and to stay ahead of competitors is growing at an unbelievable rate. Old information can put a person out of a job or a company out of business. Printers worldwide will benefit from a forum to share best practices, ways to cut costs, process optimization, and the like. A search of existing USENET newsgroups on September, 1996 identified no newsgroups specifically on printing. Three newsgoups were located that partially related to printing, specifically relating to prepress and desktop publishing: comp.publish.prepress, comp.text, and comp.text.desktop. None of these newsgroups related directly to the printing industry as a whole. In addition, a search of exising email-based discussion groups (listservs) identified no newsgroups specifically on printing. An increasing number of printers worldwide are accessing the Internet for information on how to do business better. Printers are without a forum to do this currently. The misc.industry.printing newsgroup will fill that need by providing an "interactive global learning network" for printers. CHARTER: misc.industry.printing Articles suitable for posting to misc.industry.printing are those pertaining to topics related to the printing industry. Expected topics of discussion include (but are not limited to): * Environmental Issues * Trading * Process Management * Problems * New equipment * Raw material sourcing * Training * Best practices * Total Quality Management * Electonics * New Technology * Sales / Marketing * Prepress * Applied R&D * Barter * Contacts * Trends Inappropriate posts would include: * Advertising. This newsgroup allows those involved with the printing industry to help those individuals who share questions or concerns with the group. This is NOT a forum for advertising and commercial interests and such posts will not be welcome. If you have a product or service to sell, please post your message in other, more appropriate locations. * Inappropriate behavior. Inappropriate posts, spamming, advertisement, foul language or innuendos that are disrespectful of the other users or groups of people. Moderation policies: The moderator will abide by the following policies: * The moderator will be unbiased in their approval and rejection of postings. * The moderator will work to insure that the quality of discussions are kept high and free of unsolicited advertising. * The moderator will reject articles that do not conform to this charter. END CHARTER. MODERATOR INFO: misc.industry.printing Moderator: stromberg@inxink.com (Greg Stromberg) Administrative contact address: printing-request@printer.net Article submission address: printing@printer.net END MODERATOR INFO. misc.industry.printing Final Vote Ack Voted Yes ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 8ball@netdoor.com R. Peary Lomax aaron@chrysopylae.com Aaron R. Priven abestco@abestco.com Randal Jackson admac@admac.com JeremyStratton@admac.com advance@azstarnet.com Ted Raszka ahk@chinet.chinet.com Adam H. Kerman AJEngland@aol.com AlanPete@aol.com andy.cornell@ibm.net Andy Cornell arielle@taronga.com Stephanie da Silva aschoen@capital.net Susan McMillen austex@austex.com Aus-Tex Printing & Mailing azamia@worldnet.att.net Amir Azami balderd@producer.com Dave Balderstone banner48@communique.net Nick Williams barry@abcdprint.com Barry Reischling bauerle@crypt.erie.ge.com Ron Bauerle bigdoggy@best.com Brian Wagner/Dave Nicolai billw@wolfram.com Bill White bjdion@image-sys.com Bryan J. Dion bogstad@netconcepts.com dan bogstad bomart@pipeta.chemia.pk.edu.pl Marcin Bochenek Voting address: