From tale@uunet.uu.net Thu Nov 18 11:18:03 1993 Control: newgroup misc.legal.moderated moderated Newsgroups: misc.legal.moderated Path: uunet!tale From: tale@uunet.uu.net (David C Lawrence) Subject: newgroup misc.legal.moderated moderated Approved: tale@uunet.uu.net Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net (David C Lawrence) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1993 15:30:11 GMT Message-ID: Lines: 167 Xref: uunet control:770381 misc.legal.moderated is a moderated newsgroup which passed its vote for creation by 305:20 as reported in news.announce.newgroups on 10 Nov 1993. Group submission address: legal@panix.com Moderator contact address: legal-request@panix.com (Larry Kolodney) For your newsgroups file: misc.legal.moderated All aspects of law. (Moderated) The charter, culled from the call for votes: Misc.legal.moderated is for the discussion of law and legal theory. It is recognized that these are contested terms, and contested terrain, and that law's domain varies from country to country. The group is intended to provide a home for well-tempered discussions including, but not limited to: 1. Current developments in the law including but not limited to court decisions, legislative enactments, and executive actions with legal implications. 2. The content and effects of existing constitutions, laws, and rules of court at all levels: international, multi-national (e.g. EEC, EFTA NAFTA), national, state/provincial/ departmental, and local/communal. 3. Proposals for changes to the above which have a 'legal' content, e.g. technical proposals for changes designed to achieve political ends (e.g. draft language for a statute or constitutional amendment). 4. Legal doctrine, legal theory (jurisprudence), and schools of legal interpretation and thought. 5. Legal history, legal sociology and other interdisciplinary work of interest to lawyers, judges and/or legal scholars. 6. Professional ethics and professional discipline of legal professionals, both in public and private life, and of their associates and matters relating to the role of law and lawyers in society. 7. Posts by practitioners concerning legal problems they have encountered that may be of interest to the legal community. 8. _First-person_ anecdotes and commentary by non-practitioners concerning encounters they have had with lawyers, the police, the courts or other entities which administer the legal system. 9. Legal education and the type, quantity, and terms of employment for lawyers and other legal professionals. 10. Posts (including those from non-lawyers) asking specific factual questions as to the content of the law, and replies to those posts, so long as the context of the exchange makes it clear that **legal advice is not being provided**. 11. Posts by persons seeking legal advice, or seeking to engage a lawyer, which are to be replied to by private e-mail. Such persons are reminded in advance that legal advice obtained via email is inherently unreliable, and is almost never a good substitute for direct consultation with an attorney. 12. Legal humor. The ordering above is for convenience only and does not reflect a preference ordering among the various topics. The role of the Moderator ========================= 13. Although no legal relationships are created by this document, the moderator is expected to behave as if she or he were in a fiduciary relationship with persons reading and posting to the group. 14. Posts by persons offering legal advice for remuneration will not be permitted. The moderator will enforce this rule. This rule is not intended to prevent individuals from publicizing the existence of non-profit advocacy organizations which provide legal counseling and representation. 15. The moderator will use his or her discretion to decide when discussions drift too far from 'legal' content, and will close threads accordingly. The moderator will notify the group when taking such actions. The moderator will request voluntary compliance before taking such actions. 16. The moderator will be encouraged to return posts to senders, perhaps with a suggestion of a more appropriate newsgroup, if the posts are those that he or she believes more properly belong in another newsgroup. It is intended that the moderator will use this discretion more aggressively when there exists another group in which the thread appears to belong. 17. Posts that deal with general questions of social policy are disfavored unless they make specific reference to particular laws, legal doctrines or jurisprudential theories implicated by the topic. Similarly, discussions of general political issues are disfavored unless they are informed by reference to specific legal aspects of such issues. The moderator will enforce this rule. 18. The moderator will have discretion to reject posts containing factual assertions about the current state of the law (as opposed to why the law should be changed) which the moderator believes are plainly inaccurate. The failure of the moderator to exercise this discretion does not signify the moderator's agreement with or approval of the post, and is in no way to be seen as the moderator's endorsement of any legal conclusion or opinion expressed in that post. This moderator is encouraged to use this discretion in a manner that permits a wide range of colorable arguments to be presented. 19. The moderator will have discretion to reject posts which are unduly repetitive and/or contain personal attacks on previous writers. The failure of the moderator to exercise this discretion does not signify the moderator's agreement with or approval of the post, and is in no way to be seen as the moderator's endorsement of any legal conclusion or opinion expressed in that post. Moderator Selection and Replacement =================================== 20. A moderator serves until she or he resigns. A moderator may resign at any time. The moderator is requested to give the group adequate notice in order to ensure an orderly transition. 21. The moderator may designate a substitute moderator to serve for periods of not more than four consecutive weeks. The moderator will not designate substitutes for more than two months per calendar year. 22. A sole moderator may appoint a co-moderator. Co-moderators may appoint additional co-moderators, if all serving moderators consent, so long as no more than five moderators are active at any one time. Moderators may share their duties in any manner mutually acceptable. Differences among the moderators shall be settled by majority vote, or in cases of tie, by lot, or by other means acceptable to all the moderators. In the event that the group has multiple moderators, all references to a sole moderator in the above paragraphs shall apply to all the moderators, collectively if the context permits. 23. A resigning moderator, whether or not she/he is a sole moderator, selects his/her successor. Moderators are requested to consider the opinions of readers of the group when choosing their successors. A resigning co-moderator may, with the unanimous consent of the other moderators, choose not to appoint a successor. Amending This Charter ===================== 24. This charter can be amended at any time, by following the procedures then in effect for newsgroup creation. From tale@uunet.uu.net Tue Dec 7 11:18:04 1993 Control: newgroup misc.legal.moderated moderated Newsgroups: misc.legal.moderated Path: uunet!tale From: tale@uunet.uu.net (David C Lawrence) Subject: newgroup misc.legal.moderated moderated Approved: tale@uunet.uu.net Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net (David C Lawrence) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1993 15:30:12 GMT Message-ID: Lines: 167 Xref: uunet control:782300 misc.legal.moderated is a moderated newsgroup which passed its vote for creation by 305:20 as reported in news.announce.newgroups on 10 Nov 1993. Group submission address: legal@panix.com Moderator contact address: legal-request@panix.com (Larry Kolodney) For your newsgroups file: misc.legal.moderated All aspects of law. (Moderated) The charter, culled from the call for votes: Misc.legal.moderated is for the discussion of law and legal theory. It is recognized that these are contested terms, and contested terrain, and that law's domain varies from country to country. The group is intended to provide a home for well-tempered discussions including, but not limited to: 1. Current developments in the law including but not limited to court decisions, legislative enactments, and executive actions with legal implications. 2. The content and effects of existing constitutions, laws, and rules of court at all levels: international, multi-national (e.g. EEC, EFTA NAFTA), national, state/provincial/ departmental, and local/communal. 3. Proposals for changes to the above which have a 'legal' content, e.g. technical proposals for changes designed to achieve political ends (e.g. draft language for a statute or constitutional amendment). 4. Legal doctrine, legal theory (jurisprudence), and schools of legal interpretation and thought. 5. Legal history, legal sociology and other interdisciplinary work of interest to lawyers, judges and/or legal scholars. 6. Professional ethics and professional discipline of legal professionals, both in public and private life, and of their associates and matters relating to the role of law and lawyers in society. 7. Posts by practitioners concerning legal problems they have encountered that may be of interest to the legal community. 8. _First-person_ anecdotes and commentary by non-practitioners concerning encounters they have had with lawyers, the police, the courts or other entities which administer the legal system. 9. Legal education and the type, quantity, and terms of employment for lawyers and other legal professionals. 10. Posts (including those from non-lawyers) asking specific factual questions as to the content of the law, and replies to those posts, so long as the context of the exchange makes it clear that **legal advice is not being provided**. 11. Posts by persons seeking legal advice, or seeking to engage a lawyer, which are to be replied to by private e-mail. Such persons are reminded in advance that legal advice obtained via email is inherently unreliable, and is almost never a good substitute for direct consultation with an attorney. 12. Legal humor. The ordering above is for convenience only and does not reflect a preference ordering among the various topics. The role of the Moderator ========================= 13. Although no legal relationships are created by this document, the moderator is expected to behave as if she or he were in a fiduciary relationship with persons reading and posting to the group. 14. Posts by persons offering legal advice for remuneration will not be permitted. The moderator will enforce this rule. This rule is not intended to prevent individuals from publicizing the existence of non-profit advocacy organizations which provide legal counseling and representation. 15. The moderator will use his or her discretion to decide when discussions drift too far from 'legal' content, and will close threads accordingly. The moderator will notify the group when taking such actions. The moderator will request voluntary compliance before taking such actions. 16. The moderator will be encouraged to return posts to senders, perhaps with a suggestion of a more appropriate newsgroup, if the posts are those that he or she believes more properly belong in another newsgroup. It is intended that the moderator will use this discretion more aggressively when there exists another group in which the thread appears to belong. 17. Posts that deal with general questions of social policy are disfavored unless they make specific reference to particular laws, legal doctrines or jurisprudential theories implicated by the topic. Similarly, discussions of general political issues are disfavored unless they are informed by reference to specific legal aspects of such issues. The moderator will enforce this rule. 18. The moderator will have discretion to reject posts containing factual assertions about the current state of the law (as opposed to why the law should be changed) which the moderator believes are plainly inaccurate. The failure of the moderator to exercise this discretion does not signify the moderator's agreement with or approval of the post, and is in no way to be seen as the moderator's endorsement of any legal conclusion or opinion expressed in that post. This moderator is encouraged to use this discretion in a manner that permits a wide range of colorable arguments to be presented. 19. The moderator will have discretion to reject posts which are unduly repetitive and/or contain personal attacks on previous writers. The failure of the moderator to exercise this discretion does not signify the moderator's agreement with or approval of the post, and is in no way to be seen as the moderator's endorsement of any legal conclusion or opinion expressed in that post. Moderator Selection and Replacement =================================== 20. A moderator serves until she or he resigns. A moderator may resign at any time. The moderator is requested to give the group adequate notice in order to ensure an orderly transition. 21. The moderator may designate a substitute moderator to serve for periods of not more than four consecutive weeks. The moderator will not designate substitutes for more than two months per calendar year. 22. A sole moderator may appoint a co-moderator. Co-moderators may appoint additional co-moderators, if all serving moderators consent, so long as no more than five moderators are active at any one time. Moderators may share their duties in any manner mutually acceptable. Differences among the moderators shall be settled by majority vote, or in cases of tie, by lot, or by other means acceptable to all the moderators. In the event that the group has multiple moderators, all references to a sole moderator in the above paragraphs shall apply to all the moderators, collectively if the context permits. 23. A resigning moderator, whether or not she/he is a sole moderator, selects his/her successor. Moderators are requested to consider the opinions of readers of the group when choosing their successors. A resigning co-moderator may, with the unanimous consent of the other moderators, choose not to appoint a successor. Amending This Charter ===================== 24. This charter can be amended at any time, by following the procedures then in effect for newsgroup creation. From tale@uunet.uu.net Fri Aug 19 13:11:22 1994 Control: newgroup misc.legal.moderated moderated Newsgroups: misc.legal.moderated Path: uunet!tale From: tale@uunet.uu.net (David C Lawrence) Subject: newgroup misc.legal.moderated moderated Approved: tale@uunet.uu.net Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net (David C Lawrence) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 1994 17:11:48 GMT Message-ID: Lines: 167 Xref: uunet control:1137712 misc.legal.moderated is a moderated newsgroup which passed its vote for creation by 305:20 as reported in news.announce.newgroups on 10 Nov 1993. Group submission address: legal@panix.com Moderator contact address: legal-request@panix.com (Larry Kolodney) For your newsgroups file: misc.legal.moderated All aspects of law. (Moderated) The charter, culled from the call for votes: Misc.legal.moderated is for the discussion of law and legal theory. It is recognized that these are contested terms, and contested terrain, and that law's domain varies from country to country. The group is intended to provide a home for well-tempered discussions including, but not limited to: 1. Current developments in the law including but not limited to court decisions, legislative enactments, and executive actions with legal implications. 2. The content and effects of existing constitutions, laws, and rules of court at all levels: international, multi-national (e.g. EEC, EFTA NAFTA), national, state/provincial/ departmental, and local/communal. 3. Proposals for changes to the above which have a 'legal' content, e.g. technical proposals for changes designed to achieve political ends (e.g. draft language for a statute or constitutional amendment). 4. Legal doctrine, legal theory (jurisprudence), and schools of legal interpretation and thought. 5. Legal history, legal sociology and other interdisciplinary work of interest to lawyers, judges and/or legal scholars. 6. Professional ethics and professional discipline of legal professionals, both in public and private life, and of their associates and matters relating to the role of law and lawyers in society. 7. Posts by practitioners concerning legal problems they have encountered that may be of interest to the legal community. 8. _First-person_ anecdotes and commentary by non-practitioners concerning encounters they have had with lawyers, the police, the courts or other entities which administer the legal system. 9. Legal education and the type, quantity, and terms of employment for lawyers and other legal professionals. 10. Posts (including those from non-lawyers) asking specific factual questions as to the content of the law, and replies to those posts, so long as the context of the exchange makes it clear that **legal advice is not being provided**. 11. Posts by persons seeking legal advice, or seeking to engage a lawyer, which are to be replied to by private e-mail. Such persons are reminded in advance that legal advice obtained via email is inherently unreliable, and is almost never a good substitute for direct consultation with an attorney. 12. Legal humor. The ordering above is for convenience only and does not reflect a preference ordering among the various topics. The role of the Moderator ========================= 13. Although no legal relationships are created by this document, the moderator is expected to behave as if she or he were in a fiduciary relationship with persons reading and posting to the group. 14. Posts by persons offering legal advice for remuneration will not be permitted. The moderator will enforce this rule. This rule is not intended to prevent individuals from publicizing the existence of non-profit advocacy organizations which provide legal counseling and representation. 15. The moderator will use his or her discretion to decide when discussions drift too far from 'legal' content, and will close threads accordingly. The moderator will notify the group when taking such actions. The moderator will request voluntary compliance before taking such actions. 16. The moderator will be encouraged to return posts to senders, perhaps with a suggestion of a more appropriate newsgroup, if the posts are those that he or she believes more properly belong in another newsgroup. It is intended that the moderator will use this discretion more aggressively when there exists another group in which the thread appears to belong. 17. Posts that deal with general questions of social policy are disfavored unless they make specific reference to particular laws, legal doctrines or jurisprudential theories implicated by the topic. Similarly, discussions of general political issues are disfavored unless they are informed by reference to specific legal aspects of such issues. The moderator will enforce this rule. 18. The moderator will have discretion to reject posts containing factual assertions about the current state of the law (as opposed to why the law should be changed) which the moderator believes are plainly inaccurate. The failure of the moderator to exercise this discretion does not signify the moderator's agreement with or approval of the post, and is in no way to be seen as the moderator's endorsement of any legal conclusion or opinion expressed in that post. This moderator is encouraged to use this discretion in a manner that permits a wide range of colorable arguments to be presented. 19. The moderator will have discretion to reject posts which are unduly repetitive and/or contain personal attacks on previous writers. The failure of the moderator to exercise this discretion does not signify the moderator's agreement with or approval of the post, and is in no way to be seen as the moderator's endorsement of any legal conclusion or opinion expressed in that post. Moderator Selection and Replacement =================================== 20. A moderator serves until she or he resigns. A moderator may resign at any time. The moderator is requested to give the group adequate notice in order to ensure an orderly transition. 21. The moderator may designate a substitute moderator to serve for periods of not more than four consecutive weeks. The moderator will not designate substitutes for more than two months per calendar year. 22. A sole moderator may appoint a co-moderator. Co-moderators may appoint additional co-moderators, if all serving moderators consent, so long as no more than five moderators are active at any one time. Moderators may share their duties in any manner mutually acceptable. Differences among the moderators shall be settled by majority vote, or in cases of tie, by lot, or by other means acceptable to all the moderators. In the event that the group has multiple moderators, all references to a sole moderator in the above paragraphs shall apply to all the moderators, collectively if the context permits. 23. A resigning moderator, whether or not she/he is a sole moderator, selects his/her successor. Moderators are requested to consider the opinions of readers of the group when choosing their successors. A resigning co-moderator may, with the unanimous consent of the other moderators, choose not to appoint a successor. Amending This Charter ===================== 24. This charter can be amended at any time, by following the procedures then in effect for newsgroup creation.