From usenet Tue Jul 8 00:50:03 2003 Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed-east.nntpserver.com!nntpserver.com!sjc70.webusenet.com!news.webusenet.com!news.isc.org!bounce-back From: Larry Smith Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.arts.books,alt.books,rec.arts.mystery Subject: RFD: rec.arts.books.excerpts moderated Followup-To: news.groups Message-ID: <1057625049.29405@isc.org> Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org Archive-Name: rec.arts.books.excerpts Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 00:44:09 +0000 X-Auth: PGPMoose V1.1 PGP news.announce.newgroups iD8DBQE/ChPZXMotZRinPKkRAmrHAJ0ai0Ba2la8eJEDh/HLxb1HC73/7ACcDrww i2aaXZqP60X1ehtk/Ag/mmE= =1MWY Lines: 132 Xref: shelby.stanford.edu news.announce.newgroups:9360 news.groups:444030 rec.arts.books:381044 rec.arts.mystery:342162 REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD) moderated group rec.arts.books.excerpts This is a formal Request for Discussion (RFD) for the creation of the worldwide-moderated Usenet newsgroup rec.arts.books.excerpts. This is not a Call for Votes (CFV); you cannot vote at this time. Procedural details are below. Newsgroup line: rec.arts.books.excerpts Online book excerpts. (Moderated) RATIONALE: rec.arts.books.excerpts This moderated newsgroup would be specifically for finding and discussing free excerpts from books available on the Internet. Moderation is necessary to separate out recommendations of valuable free reading material from promotional hype and off-topic discussions. There are sample chapters on most publisher and author websites, and this newsgroup would be a central place for readers to share the excerpts that they find with other readers. There are also several websites devoted to free book excerpts. See: http://www.readersread.com/excerpts/ http://www.bookbrowse.com/ http://pup.princeton.edu/sample.html Book excerpts and links to online excerpts are often posted on rec.arts.books and alt.books and related newsgroups. Looking back through the Google usenet archive reveals that over a three month period (Feb 2003 - May 2003) 185 posts in the rec.arts.books and alt.books categories were excerpts or discussion of excerpts. With this targeted new group, this rate would probably rise. Additionally, I have contacted several authors and book publicists and they would welcome such a forum as a way share excerpts from upcoming titles with readers and get feedback. Currently many book excerpts surface on groups devoted to a specific topic, author, or genre. This group would be a general resource where a wide range of material is available, and readers can find writing that they might otherwise not come across - something like a public library or your friend's coffee table. CHARTER: rec.arts.books.excerpts rec.arts.books.excerpts is a place to post excerpts from books or links to online book excerpts. This forum allows readers to share the free book excerpts that they find online with other readers and to discuss them. Authors and publishers can share excerpts from upcoming titles with readers and get feedback. Moderation will ensure that the newsgroup is not abused by commercial entities for promotional purposes and that discussion remains on-topic. Binary messages are banned except for small PGP-type signatures. Promotional messages or ads for a book that do not include or link to a freely available excerpt from the book are prohibited. Personal attacks and other abusive content will be deemed off topic and will not be tolerated. Crossposting to other appropriate newsgroups will be acceptable where the topic of the post fits with the other group's charter. Compliance with copyright laws is the responsibility of the poster. The moderators will have no personal responsibility for content and reserve the right to reject unsuitable posts. Moderation. The moderator may appoint co-moderators to approve or reject posts to minimize delays in propagation. Rejected posts may be returned to the sender for correction at the discretion of the moderator. The moderator may place trusted posters on a "white list" for automated approval of their posts. Personal attacks or abusive content, for example, may result in an approved poster being removed from the white list. END CHARTER. MODERATOR INFO: rec.arts.books.excerpts Moderator: Larry Smith Assistant Moderator: Jack Henderson Larry Smith is an avid reader and loves literature, especially when he can get at it for free! Jack Henderson has done extensive NNTP programming and is willing to assist with robo-moderation. END MODERATOR INFO. PROCEDURE: This is a request for discussion, not a call for votes. In this phase of the process, any potential problems with the proposed newsgroups should be raised and resolved. The discussion period will continue for a minimum of 21 days starting from when the first RFD for this proposal is posted to news.announce.newgroups. After the RFD, a Call for Votes (CFV) may be posted by a neutral vote taker if the discussion warrants it. Please do not attempt to vote until this happens. All discussion of this proposal should be posted to news.groups. This RFD attempts to comply fully with the Usenet newsgroup creation guidelines outlined in "How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup" and "How to Format and Submit a New Group Proposal". Please refer to these documents (available in news.announce.newgroups) if you have any questions about the process. DISTRIBUTION: This RFD has been posted to the following newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups news.groups rec.arts.books alt.books rec.arts.mystery Pointers to the RFD will be posted to: rec.arts.sf.written rec.arts.books.hist-fiction rec.arts.books.childrens rec.arts.books.reviews rec.arts.books.marketplace Proponents: Larry Smith Jack Henderson From usenet Thu Jul 31 09:10:08 2003 Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!cyclone.bc.net!sjc70.webusenet.com!news.webusenet.com!news.isc.org!bounce-back From: Larry Smith Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.arts.books,alt.books,rec.arts.mystery Subject: 2nd RFD: rec.arts.books.excerpts moderated Followup-To: news.groups Message-ID: <1059642509.14739@isc.org> Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org Archive-Name: rec.arts.books.excerpts Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 09:08:29 +0000 X-Auth: PGPMoose V1.1 PGP news.announce.newgroups iD8DBQE/KNyNXMotZRinPKkRAo/PAJ42dosCfRHAKpEWDzKrL5zXBuKrugCgjz4x e9wT66nJgZ4+Mp6l+NbEVQY= =AR0g Lines: 169 Xref: shelby.stanford.edu news.announce.newgroups:9364 news.groups:445019 rec.arts.books:382520 rec.arts.mystery:347525 REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD) moderated group rec.arts.books.excerpts This is a formal Request for Discussion (RFD) for the creation of the worldwide-moderated Usenet newsgroup rec.arts.books.excerpts. This is not a Call for Votes (CFV); you cannot vote at this time. Procedural details are below. CHANGES from previous RFD: * Updated the rationale with more accurate traffic statistics and included problems that this newsgroup would solve. * Added a line to the charter stating that links to entire works online are acceptable. * Included some more writing-related groups in the RFD distribution list. * Added another assistant moderator. Newsgroup line: rec.arts.books.excerpts Online book excerpts. (Moderated) RATIONALE: rec.arts.books.excerpts This moderated newsgroup would be specifically for finding and discussing free excerpts from books available on the Internet. Moderation is necessary to separate out recommendations of valuable free reading material from promotional hype and off-topic discussions. There are sample chapters on most publisher and author websites, and this newsgroup would be a central place for readers to share the excerpts that they find with other readers. There are also several websites devoted to free book excerpts. See: http://www.readersread.com/excerpts/ http://www.bookbrowse.com/ http://pup.princeton.edu/sample.html First chapters of new books are posted every Friday at http://www.nytimes.com/pages/books/review/index.html Book excerpts and announcements of online excerpts are often posted in newsgroups. Counting posts using the method prescribed in the "[FAQ] Gathering Traffic Data for Proposed Newsgroups" shows that in the last 3 months there were an average of 16.4 posts per day that were announcements of excerpts or sample chapters. This does not include discussion of excerpts. I've discussed the proposed group in several book-related groups, and the response so far has been positive. Additionally, I have contacted several authors and book publicists and they would welcome such a forum as a way share excerpts from upcoming titles with readers and get feedback. The reason so many publishers and authors put excerpts on their websites is that bookworms like to read excerpts from a book as well as reviews before buying or borrowing. Currently many book excerpts surface on groups devoted to a specific topic, author, or genre. This group would be a general resource where a wide range of material is available, and readers can find writing that they might otherwise not come across - something like a public library or your friend's coffee table. Much the same way that the moderated newsgroup rec.arts.books.reviews separates out book reviews from the mass of other posts, this group will highlight the book excerpts. The other book and writing newsgroups are too busy to fulfill this function. For example rec.arts.sf.written averages 332 post per day and rec.arts.mystery averages 225 posts per day. CHARTER: rec.arts.books.excerpts rec.arts.books.excerpts is a place to post and discuss excerpts from books or links to online book excerpts. This forum allows readers to share the free book excerpts that they find online with other readers and to discuss them. Authors and publishers can share excerpts from upcoming titles with readers and get feedback. Links to entire works online are acceptable. Moderation will ensure that the newsgroup is not abused by commercial entities for promotional purposes and that discussion remains on-topic. Binary messages are banned except for small PGP-type signatures. Promotional messages or ads for a book that do not include or link to a freely available excerpt from the book are prohibited. Personal attacks and other abusive content will be deemed off topic and will not be tolerated. Crossposting to other appropriate newsgroups will be acceptable where the topic of the post fits with the other group's charter. Compliance with copyright laws is the responsibility of the poster. The moderators will have no personal responsibility for content and reserve the right to reject unsuitable posts. Moderation: The moderator may appoint co-moderators to approve or reject posts to minimize delays in propagation. Rejected posts may be returned to the sender for correction at the discretion of the moderator. The moderator may place trusted posters on a "white list" for automated approval of their posts. Personal attacks or abusive content, for example, may result in an approved poster being removed from the white list. END CHARTER. MODERATOR INFO: rec.arts.books.excerpts Moderator: Larry Smith Assistant Moderator: Ephie Barnes Assistant Moderator: Jack Henderson Larry Smith is an avid reader and loves literature, especially when he can get at it for free! Ephie Barnes is a longtime USENET user and bookworm. Jack Henderson has done extensive NNTP programming and is willing to assist with robo-moderation and act as backup moderator. END MODERATOR INFO. PROCEDURE: This is a request for discussion, not a call for votes. In this phase of the process, any potential problems with the proposed newsgroups should be raised and resolved. The discussion period will continue for a minimum of 21 days starting from when the first RFD for this proposal is posted to news.announce.newgroups. After the RFD, a Call for Votes (CFV) may be posted by a neutral vote taker if the discussion warrants it. Please do not attempt to vote until this happens. All discussion of this proposal should be posted to news.groups. This RFD attempts to comply fully with the Usenet newsgroup creation guidelines outlined in "How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup" and "How to Format and Submit a New Group Proposal". Please refer to these documents (available in news.announce.newgroups) if you have any questions about the process. DISTRIBUTION: This RFD has been posted to the following newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups news.groups rec.arts.books alt.books rec.arts.mystery Pointers to the RFD will be posted to: rec.arts.sf.written rec.arts.books.hist-fiction rec.arts.books.childrens rec.arts.books.reviews rec.arts.books.marketplace alt.books.reviews misc.writing Proponents: Larry Smith Jack Henderson Ephie Barnes From usenet Wed Aug 13 08:50:04 2003 Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news.isc.org!bounce-back From: votetaker@netagw.com (Bill Aten) Reply-To: excerpts-vote@netagw.com Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.books,rec.arts.books,rec.arts.mystery Subject: CFV: rec.arts.books.excerpts moderated Followup-To: poster Message-ID: <1060764174.20878@isc.org> References: <1059642509.14739@isc.org> Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org Expires: 4 Sep 2003 00:00:00 GMT Archive-Name: rec.arts.books.excerpts Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 08:42:54 +0000 X-Auth: PGPMoose V1.1 PGP news.announce.newgroups iD8DBQE/OfoOXMotZRinPKkRAuMnAKCD83wYaN+GBfC4it//TBhqnvam8gCfUkWS YkSIBup1Svo79En+2lBQxuY= =EF76 Lines: 217 Xref: shelby.stanford.edu news.announce.newgroups:9372 news.groups:445214 rec.arts.books:383548 rec.arts.mystery:351632 FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2) moderated group rec.arts.books.excerpts Newsgroups line: rec.arts.books.excerpts Online book excerpts. (Moderated) Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 3 Sep 2003. This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. Questions about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent. Proponent: Larry Smith Proponent: Jack Henderson Proponent: Ephie Barnes Votetaker: Bill Aten RATIONALE: rec.arts.books.excerpts This moderated newsgroup would be specifically for finding and discussing free excerpts from books available on the Internet. Moderation is necessary to separate out recommendations of valuable free reading material from promotional hype and off-topic discussions. There are sample chapters on most publisher and author websites, and this newsgroup would be a central place for readers to share the excerpts that they find with other readers. There are also several websites devoted to free book excerpts. See: http://www.readersread.com/excerpts/ http://www.bookbrowse.com/ http://pup.princeton.edu/sample.html First chapters of new books are posted every Friday at http://www.nytimes.com/pages/books/review/index.html Book excerpts and announcements of online excerpts are often posted in newsgroups. Counting posts using the method prescribed in the "[FAQ] Gathering Traffic Data for Proposed Newsgroups" shows that in the last 3 months there were an average of 16.4 posts per day that were announcements of excerpts or sample chapters. This does not include discussion of excerpts. I've discussed the proposed group in several book-related groups, and the response so far has been positive. Additionally, I have contacted several authors and book publicists and they would welcome such a forum as a way share excerpts from upcoming titles with readers and get feedback. The reason so many publishers and authors put excerpts on their websites is that bookworms like to read excerpts from a book as well as reviews before buying or borrowing. Currently many book excerpts surface on groups devoted to a specific topic, author, or genre. This group would be a general resource where a wide range of material is available, and readers can find writing that they might otherwise not come across - something like a public library or your friend's coffee table. Much the same way that the moderated newsgroup rec.arts.books.reviews separates out book reviews from the mass of other posts, this group will highlight the book excerpts. The other book and writing newsgroups are too busy to fulfill this function. For example rec.arts.sf.written averages 332 post per day and rec.arts.mystery averages 225 posts per day. CHARTER: rec.arts.books.excerpts rec.arts.books.excerpts is a place to post and discuss excerpts from books or links to online book excerpts. This forum allows readers to share the free book excerpts that they find online with other readers and to discuss them. Authors and publishers can share excerpts from upcoming titles with readers and get feedback. Links to entire works online are acceptable. Moderation will ensure that the newsgroup is not abused by commercial entities for promotional purposes and that discussion remains on-topic. Binary messages are banned except for small PGP-type signatures. Promotional messages or ads for a book that do not include or link to a freely available excerpt from the book are prohibited. Personal attacks and other abusive content will be deemed off topic and will not be tolerated. Crossposting to other appropriate newsgroups will be acceptable where the topic of the post fits with the other group's charter. Compliance with copyright laws is the responsibility of the poster. The moderators will have no personal responsibility for content and reserve the right to reject unsuitable posts. Moderation: The moderator may appoint co-moderators to approve or reject posts to minimize delays in propagation. Rejected posts may be returned to the sender for correction at the discretion of the moderator. The moderator may place trusted posters on a "white list" for automated approval of their posts. Personal attacks or abusive content, for example, may result in an approved poster being removed from the white list. END CHARTER. MODERATOR INFO: rec.arts.books.excerpts Moderator: Larry Smith Moderator: Ephie Barnes Moderator: Jack Henderson Administrative contact address: rabe-request@ce-service.biz Article submission address: rabe@ce-service.biz END MODERATOR INFO. HOW TO VOTE: Extract the ballot from the CFV by deleting everything before and after the "BEGINNING OF BALLOT" and "END OF BALLOT" lines. Don't worry about the spacing of the columns or any quote characters (">") that your reply inserts. PLEASE, do not send the entire CFV back to me as this mail is archived. Mark the ballot and then MAIL it to: Just "replying" to this message should work, but check the "To:" line. In order to properly record your vote, please provide your REAL NAME (or established Usenet handle) and indicate your desired vote in the appropriate locations inside the ballot. Examples of how to properly indicate your vote: [ YES ] example.yes.vote [ NO ] example.no.vote [ ABSTAIN ] example.abstention [ CANCEL ] example.cancellation DO NOT modify, alter or delete any information in this ballot! If you do, the voting software will probably reject your ballot. If you do not receive an acknowledgment of your vote within three days, contact the votetaker about the problem. You are responsible for reading your ack and making sure your vote is registered correctly. ======= BEGINNING OF BALLOT: Delete everything BEFORE this line ======= |---------------------------------------------------------------------- | Official CFV Name: rec.arts.books.excerpts | Usenet Voting Ballot (Do not remove this line!) |---------------------------------------------------------------------- | Please provide your real name, or your vote may be rejected. | Established Usenet handles are also acceptable. Place ONLY your name | (ie. do NOT include your e-mail address or any other information; | ONLY your name) directly after the colon in "Voter name:" on the | following line. |---------------------------------------------------------------------- | Voter name: |---------------------------------------------------------------------- | Insert YES, NO, ABSTAIN, or CANCEL inside the brackets for each | newsgroup listed below (do not delete the newsgroup name): | | Your Vote Newsgroup | --------- --------- | [ ] rec.arts.books.excerpts (moderated) | |---------------------------------------------------------------------- ======= END OF BALLOT: Delete everything AFTER this line ============== IMPORTANT VOTING PROCEDURE NOTES: Standard Guidelines for voting apply. Only one vote per person, no more than one vote per account. Votes must be mailed directly from the voter to the votetaker. Anonymous, forwarded, or proxy votes are not valid. Votes mailed by WWW/HTML/CGI forms are considered to be anonymous votes. Vote counting is automated. Failure to follow these directions may mean that your vote does not get counted. If you do not receive an acknowledgment of your vote within three days, contact the votetaker about the problem. It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly. Duplicate votes are resolved in favor of the most recent valid vote. Names, addresses, and votes of all voters will be published in the final voting results post. DO NOT redistribute this CFV in any manner whatsoever. The purpose of a Usenet vote is to determine the genuine interest of persons who would read a proposed newsgroup. Soliciting votes from disinterested parties defeats this purpose. Only the votetaker, the news.announce.newgroups moderator, and the proponent (if specifically authorized by the votetaker) are permitted to distribute copies of this CFV. Distribution of pre-marked or otherwise modified copies of this CFV is generally considered voting fraud and should be reported immediately to the votetaker or the UVV . In cases where voting fraud is determined to have occurred, it is standard operating procedure to delete ALL votes submitted by the violator. When in doubt, ask the votetaker. DISTRIBUTION: The only official sources for copies of this CFV are the locations listed below, the UVV web site at http://www.uvv.org/, and the votetaker's e-mail CFV server which can be reached at . This CFV has been posted to the following newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups news.groups alt.books rec.arts.books rec.arts.mystery Pointers directing readers to this CFV will be posted in these newsgroups: alt.books.reviews misc.writing rec.arts.books.hist-fiction rec.arts.books.childrens rec.arts.books.reviews rec.arts.books.marketplace rec.arts.sf.written From usenet Tue Aug 26 09:00:15 2003 Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news.isc.org!bounce-back From: votetaker@netagw.com (Bill Aten) Reply-To: excerpts-vote@netagw.com Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.books,rec.arts.books,rec.arts.mystery Subject: 2nd CFV: rec.arts.books.excerpts moderated Followup-To: poster Message-ID: <1061888213.15643@isc.org> References: <1059642509.14739@isc.org> <1060764174.20878@isc.org> Supersedes: <1060764174.20878@isc.org> Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org Expires: 4 Sep 2003 00:00:00 GMT Archive-Name: rec.arts.books.excerpts Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 08:56:53 +0000 X-Auth: PGPMoose V1.1 PGP news.announce.newgroups iD8DBQE/SyDVXMotZRinPKkRAqL+AKDDFAT7yJaqBTeWIzvjcXZUOZ7M+ACfT685 e4gf1nuE9mZ1Y4HQrNinCbA= =vYRJ Lines: 231 Xref: shelby.stanford.edu news.announce.newgroups:9378 news.groups:445532 rec.arts.books:384335 rec.arts.mystery:355405 LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2) moderated group rec.arts.books.excerpts Newsgroups line: rec.arts.books.excerpts Online book excerpts. (Moderated) Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 3 Sep 2003. This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. Questions about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent. Proponent: Larry Smith Proponent: Jack Henderson Proponent: Ephie Barnes Votetaker: Bill Aten RATIONALE: rec.arts.books.excerpts This moderated newsgroup would be specifically for finding and discussing free excerpts from books available on the Internet. Moderation is necessary to separate out recommendations of valuable free reading material from promotional hype and off-topic discussions. There are sample chapters on most publisher and author websites, and this newsgroup would be a central place for readers to share the excerpts that they find with other readers. There are also several websites devoted to free book excerpts. See: http://www.readersread.com/excerpts/ http://www.bookbrowse.com/ http://pup.princeton.edu/sample.html First chapters of new books are posted every Friday at http://www.nytimes.com/pages/books/review/index.html Book excerpts and announcements of online excerpts are often posted in newsgroups. Counting posts using the method prescribed in the "[FAQ] Gathering Traffic Data for Proposed Newsgroups" shows that in the last 3 months there were an average of 16.4 posts per day that were announcements of excerpts or sample chapters. This does not include discussion of excerpts. I've discussed the proposed group in several book-related groups, and the response so far has been positive. Additionally, I have contacted several authors and book publicists and they would welcome such a forum as a way share excerpts from upcoming titles with readers and get feedback. The reason so many publishers and authors put excerpts on their websites is that bookworms like to read excerpts from a book as well as reviews before buying or borrowing. Currently many book excerpts surface on groups devoted to a specific topic, author, or genre. This group would be a general resource where a wide range of material is available, and readers can find writing that they might otherwise not come across - something like a public library or your friend's coffee table. Much the same way that the moderated newsgroup rec.arts.books.reviews separates out book reviews from the mass of other posts, this group will highlight the book excerpts. The other book and writing newsgroups are too busy to fulfill this function. For example rec.arts.sf.written averages 332 post per day and rec.arts.mystery averages 225 posts per day. CHARTER: rec.arts.books.excerpts rec.arts.books.excerpts is a place to post and discuss excerpts from books or links to online book excerpts. This forum allows readers to share the free book excerpts that they find online with other readers and to discuss them. Authors and publishers can share excerpts from upcoming titles with readers and get feedback. Links to entire works online are acceptable. Moderation will ensure that the newsgroup is not abused by commercial entities for promotional purposes and that discussion remains on-topic. Binary messages are banned except for small PGP-type signatures. Promotional messages or ads for a book that do not include or link to a freely available excerpt from the book are prohibited. Personal attacks and other abusive content will be deemed off topic and will not be tolerated. Crossposting to other appropriate newsgroups will be acceptable where the topic of the post fits with the other group's charter. Compliance with copyright laws is the responsibility of the poster. The moderators will have no personal responsibility for content and reserve the right to reject unsuitable posts. Moderation: The moderator may appoint co-moderators to approve or reject posts to minimize delays in propagation. Rejected posts may be returned to the sender for correction at the discretion of the moderator. The moderator may place trusted posters on a "white list" for automated approval of their posts. Personal attacks or abusive content, for example, may result in an approved poster being removed from the white list. END CHARTER. MODERATOR INFO: rec.arts.books.excerpts Moderator: Larry Smith Moderator: Ephie Barnes Moderator: Jack Henderson Administrative contact address: rabe-request@ce-service.biz Article submission address: rabe@ce-service.biz END MODERATOR INFO. HOW TO VOTE: Extract the ballot from the CFV by deleting everything before and after the "BEGINNING OF BALLOT" and "END OF BALLOT" lines. Don't worry about the spacing of the columns or any quote characters (">") that your reply inserts. PLEASE, do not send the entire CFV back to me as this mail is archived. Mark the ballot and then MAIL it to: Just "replying" to this message should work, but check the "To:" line. In order to properly record your vote, please provide your REAL NAME (or established Usenet handle) and indicate your desired vote in the appropriate locations inside the ballot. Examples of how to properly indicate your vote: [ YES ] example.yes.vote [ NO ] example.no.vote [ ABSTAIN ] example.abstention [ CANCEL ] example.cancellation DO NOT modify, alter or delete any information in this ballot! If you do, the voting software will probably reject your ballot. If you do not receive an acknowledgment of your vote within three days, contact the votetaker about the problem. You are responsible for reading your ack and making sure your vote is registered correctly. ======= BEGINNING OF BALLOT: Delete everything BEFORE this line ======= |---------------------------------------------------------------------- | Official CFV Name: rec.arts.books.excerpts | Usenet Voting Ballot (Do not remove this line!) |---------------------------------------------------------------------- | Please provide your real name, or your vote may be rejected. | Established Usenet handles are also acceptable. Place ONLY your name | (ie. do NOT include your e-mail address or any other information; | ONLY your name) directly after the colon in "Voter name:" on the | following line. |---------------------------------------------------------------------- | Voter name: |---------------------------------------------------------------------- | Insert YES, NO, ABSTAIN, or CANCEL inside the brackets for each | newsgroup listed below (do not delete the newsgroup name): | | Your Vote Newsgroup | --------- --------- | [ ] rec.arts.books.excerpts (moderated) | |---------------------------------------------------------------------- ======= END OF BALLOT: Delete everything AFTER this line ============== IMPORTANT VOTING PROCEDURE NOTES: Standard Guidelines for voting apply. Only one vote per person, no more than one vote per account. Votes must be mailed directly from the voter to the votetaker. Anonymous, forwarded, or proxy votes are not valid. Votes mailed by WWW/HTML/CGI forms are considered to be anonymous votes. Vote counting is automated. Failure to follow these directions may mean that your vote does not get counted. If you do not receive an acknowledgment of your vote within three days, contact the votetaker about the problem. It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly. Duplicate votes are resolved in favor of the most recent valid vote. Names, addresses, and votes of all voters will be published in the final voting results post. DO NOT redistribute this CFV in any manner whatsoever. The purpose of a Usenet vote is to determine the genuine interest of persons who would read a proposed newsgroup. Soliciting votes from disinterested parties defeats this purpose. Only the votetaker, the news.announce.newgroups moderator, and the proponent (if specifically authorized by the votetaker) are permitted to distribute copies of this CFV. 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This CFV has been posted to the following newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups news.groups alt.books rec.arts.books rec.arts.mystery Pointers directing readers to this CFV will be posted in these newsgroups: alt.books.reviews misc.writing rec.arts.books.hist-fiction rec.arts.books.childrens rec.arts.books.reviews rec.arts.books.marketplace rec.arts.sf.written rec.arts.books.excerpts - Ack Bounce List ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Because the Vote Ack email bounced, the email address and associated ballot listed below are considered invalid and will not be counted in the final result. Ballots must be submitted from a valid and verifyable email address in order to be processed. The individual listed below will need to revote from a valid email address prior to the poll closing in order to correct this problem. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ alphadingo [at] hotmail.com Dan Walker Freeman -- Bill Aten, UVV From usenet Fri Sep 5 03:00:02 2003 Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!cyclone.bc.net!sjc70.webusenet.com!news.webusenet.com!news.isc.org!bounce-back From: bill@netagw.com (Bill Aten) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.books,rec.arts.books,rec.arts.mystery Subject: RESULT: rec.arts.books.excerpts moderated passes 112:9 Followup-To: news.groups Message-ID: <1062730531.24346@isc.org> References: <1059642509.14739@isc.org> <1060764174.20878@isc.org> <1061888213.15643@isc.org> Supersedes: <1061888213.15643@isc.org> Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org Archive-Name: rec.arts.books.excerpts Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 19:55:31 -0700 X-Auth: PGPMoose V1.1 PGP news.announce.newgroups iD8DBQE/V/sjXMotZRinPKkRAtQCAJsG7Tahu9YWbYVMlaeb0yf0/2INgwCgyD9k z0K8A7XhZmWGY0chU6THvlA= =FMMu Lines: 285 Xref: shelby.stanford.edu news.announce.newgroups:9384 news.groups:445679 rec.arts.books:384862 rec.arts.mystery:358087 RESULT moderated group rec.arts.books.excerpts passes 112:9 Voting closed at 23:59:59 UTC, 3 Sep 2003. This vote was conducted by a neutral third party. Questions about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent. Proponent: Larry Smith Proponent: Jack Henderson Proponent: Ephie Barnes Votetaker: Bill Aten There were 121 valid YES/NO votes submitted during the voting period. Each proposed newsgroup, in order to pass, must have at least 2/3 YES votes and at least 100 more YES than NO votes. The results are as follows: rec.arts.books.excerpts results - 121 valid (YES & NO) votes Yes No : 2/3? >100? : Pass? : Group ---- ---- : ---- ----- : ----- : ------------------------------------------- 112 9 : Yes Yes : Yes : rec.arts.books.excerpts (moderated) 1 abstaining vote and 4 invalid votes The proposal passed. There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted. If no serious and significant allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the moderator of news.announce.newgroups will create the newsgroup shortly thereafter. The remainder of the RESULT contains: Newsgroups Line Rationale Charter Moderator Info Final Voting Acknowledgements NEWSGROUPS LINE: rec.arts.books.excerpts Online book excerpts. (Moderated) RATIONALE: rec.arts.books.excerpts This moderated newsgroup would be specifically for finding and discussing free excerpts from books available on the Internet. Moderation is necessary to separate out recommendations of valuable free reading material from promotional hype and off-topic discussions. There are sample chapters on most publisher and author websites, and this newsgroup would be a central place for readers to share the excerpts that they find with other readers. There are also several websites devoted to free book excerpts. See: http://www.readersread.com/excerpts/ http://www.bookbrowse.com/ http://pup.princeton.edu/sample.html First chapters of new books are posted every Friday at http://www.nytimes.com/pages/books/review/index.html Book excerpts and announcements of online excerpts are often posted in newsgroups. Counting posts using the method prescribed in the "[FAQ] Gathering Traffic Data for Proposed Newsgroups" shows that in the last 3 months there were an average of 16.4 posts per day that were announcements of excerpts or sample chapters. This does not include discussion of excerpts. I've discussed the proposed group in several book-related groups, and the response so far has been positive. Additionally, I have contacted several authors and book publicists and they would welcome such a forum as a way share excerpts from upcoming titles with readers and get feedback. The reason so many publishers and authors put excerpts on their websites is that bookworms like to read excerpts from a book as well as reviews before buying or borrowing. Currently many book excerpts surface on groups devoted to a specific topic, author, or genre. This group would be a general resource where a wide range of material is available, and readers can find writing that they might otherwise not come across - something like a public library or your friend's coffee table. Much the same way that the moderated newsgroup rec.arts.books.reviews separates out book reviews from the mass of other posts, this group will highlight the book excerpts. The other book and writing newsgroups are too busy to fulfill this function. For example rec.arts.sf.written averages 332 post per day and rec.arts.mystery averages 225 posts per day. CHARTER: rec.arts.books.excerpts rec.arts.books.excerpts is a place to post and discuss excerpts from books or links to online book excerpts. This forum allows readers to share the free book excerpts that they find online with other readers and to discuss them. Authors and publishers can share excerpts from upcoming titles with readers and get feedback. Links to entire works online are acceptable. Moderation will ensure that the newsgroup is not abused by commercial entities for promotional purposes and that discussion remains on-topic. Binary messages are banned except for small PGP-type signatures. Promotional messages or ads for a book that do not include or link to a freely available excerpt from the book are prohibited. Personal attacks and other abusive content will be deemed off topic and will not be tolerated. Crossposting to other appropriate newsgroups will be acceptable where the topic of the post fits with the other group's charter. Compliance with copyright laws is the responsibility of the poster. The moderators will have no personal responsibility for content and reserve the right to reject unsuitable posts. Moderation: The moderator may appoint co-moderators to approve or reject posts to minimize delays in propagation. Rejected posts may be returned to the sender for correction at the discretion of the moderator. The moderator may place trusted posters on a "white list" for automated approval of their posts. Personal attacks or abusive content, for example, may result in an approved poster being removed from the white list. END CHARTER. MODERATOR INFO: rec.arts.books.excerpts Moderator: Larry Smith Moderator: Ephie Barnes Moderator: Jack Henderson Administrative contact address: rabe-request@ce-service.biz Article submission address: rabe@ce-service.biz END MODERATOR INFO. FINAL VOTING ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS: rec.arts.books.excerpts - Final Voter List NOTE: This is not [to be used as] a mailing list. The email addresses are provided only to help verify the validity of the interest poll. Voted YES ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 4artemispress [at] herspace.com Susan R. Skolnick aidan [at] cs.man.ac.uk Aidan Loyns annplatt [at] uk2.net Ann Platt auwg [at] yahoo.com Ed Howdershelt barbara_barry [at] harvard.edu Barbara Barry beansalad [at] praize.com Bean Salad bensnooker [at] wiredmail.co.nz Ben Snooker billw [at] wolfram.com Bill White bmartin3 [at] nyc.rr.com Beverly Swerling Martin bouvin [at] daimi.au.dk Niels Olof Bouvin BPrice [at] Maryknoll.org Bernadette B. Price C128User [at] FVI.Net Glenn P. caitmyers [at] bewrite.net Cait Myers CEJAYWILL [at] aol.com Chris Williams charlesf [at] booksandwriters.com Charlie Fleishman chd [at] intercom.net.ua Dmitry Cherkasov chris [at] kzim.com Christopher Robin Zimmerman chriskrolczyk [at] hotmail.com Chris Krolczyk cjones [at] joner222.zzn.com Christine Jones CliffGrover [at] hispostbox.com Cliff Grover clore [at] columbia-center.org Daniel Carl Clore crowe [at] lit.org Chrispian H. Burks croyle [at] gelemna.org Don Croyle cuhulain_98 [at] yahoo.com The Ranger dale.sutton [at] riptidepress.com Greg Kurzawa darkwing [at] dtnspeed.net Stephanie Leman david [at] farrar.com David Farrar davida [at] jdc.org.il Davida Chazan davidperth [at] bigfoot.com David Perth davina [at] bookbrowse.com Davina dpbsmith [at] world.std.com Daniel P. B. Smith dt_junior [at] hotmail.com David Thomas ephieb [at] newsguy.com Ephie Barnes evanmarshall [at] TheNovelist.com Evan Marshall flatsplat [at] T-Mail.com Flatsplat FrankShawl [at] Cartooners.com Frank Shawl fungus [at] OCF.Berkeley.EDU Hank Fung GEbron [at] altamirapress.com Grace Ebron ggw [at] wolves.durham.nc.us Gregory Woodbury grandmalissimo [at] excite.com Guiseppe Maldonado GreenWilly [at] givepeaceachance.com Green Willy gregpfisher [at] netscape.net Greg P. Fisher grobe [at] netins.net Jonathan Grobe h.b.furuseth [at] usit.uio.no Hallvard B Furuseth harder12 [at] hotmail.com Uwe Harder helmutmauser [at] yahoo.de Helmut Mauser herdy [at] bellsouth.net David Herdlinger J.Barton [at] brighton.ac.uk Jerome Barton j.cortez [at] zipmail.com.br Jose Cortez janehoon [at] mail.radioblack.com Jane Hoon jbazeley [at] netexecutive.com Johann Bazeley jdg [at] diogenes.sacramento.ca.us John David Galt jeannieruby [at] o-tay.com Jeannie Ruby jennykent [at] uko2.co.uk Jenny Kent jethrowhite [at] t-email.co.uk Jethro White JHenderson [at] rustymail.com Jack Henderson JHine [at] Plough.com Joe Hine jimbraun [at] hevanet.com Jim Braun joe [at] jolomo.net Joe Morris johnringo [at] mindspring.com John Ringo JordanFitch [at] w3source.net Jordan Fitch jumpinjim [at] australia.edu Jim Pretman kamins [at] dogeared.com Scot Kamins kayshapero [at] earthlink.net Kay Shapero kenb [at] rodrun.com Ken Baker KenRogers [at] infoapex.com Ken Rogers larrysmith [at] ce-service.biz Larry Smith LDMattock [at] aol.com Lorraine Mattock lmend [at] ccny.cuny.edu Loren D. Mendelsohn louis.lanman [at] lycos.co.uk Louis Lanman m.ortizo [at] pinoymail.com Maria Ortizo magicmitch [at] elvis.com Mitch Grundy marthaa3 [at] yahoo.com Martha M. Murray McMAgency [at] aol.com Sally McMillan mcohen [at] zappo.com Mordecai Cohen mfolkes [at] totalise.co.uk Martyn Folkes morris [at] altamont.net James E. Morris mthunzimakeba [at] ananzi.co.za Mthunzi Makeba naddy [at] mips.inka.de Christian Weisgerber nfitz [at] sentex.net Nicholas Fitzpatrick nick [at] nickspace.com Nick Hlavacek oldkingcoles [at] hotmail.com George Coles pastorio [at] rica.net Bob Pastorio patty.kahn [at] baybooks.com Patty Kahn PeterMoore [at] 2d.com Peter Moore poconnor [at] bigpond.net.au Peter O'Connor psmyth [at] gmx.net Peter Smyth rainsong9 [at] netzero.net Becky Andrews reinder [at] rustema.nl ReindeR Rustema renepittet2003 [at] hotmail.com Rene Pittet richardmorris [at] ukuconnect.com Richard Morris roam [at] ringlet.net Peter Pentchev sagittaria [at] softhome.net Sagittaria sanchan [at] netlane.com Sanjay Chandra sandrakwms [at] hotmail.com Sandra Williams sarahrider [at] publicist.com Sarah Rider sbfaulds [at] ihug.co.nz Stuart Brodie Faulds scottt [at] dublin.com Scott Turner sdramsey [at] ns.sympatico.ca Sherry Ramsey shrao [at] nyx.net Shrisha Rao simon [at] darkmere.gen.nz Simon Lyall susan-brassfield [at] ou.edu Susan Brassfield terry [at] plateaupress.com.au Terry O'Connor tommysheridan [at] catholic.org Tommy Sheridan tzurinskas [at] yahoo.com Tom Zurinskas van.ette [at] inter.nl.net Robert-Jan van Ette vpdura [at] hiwaay.net Vic Dura Weibezahl [at] rocketmail.com Robert Weibezahl winchester [at] telia.com Sebastian Palm ymer [at] mulakaj.net Ymer Mulakaj zed [at] resonant.org Zed Pobre zoeborden [at] yahoo.co.uk Zoe Borden Voted NO ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ breezy [at] bellatlantic.net Laura Higley dougbob [at] charter.net Robert Douglas O'Brien dster [at] syix.com Pan Ekkehard [at] Uthke.de Ekkehard Uthke gprrspw [at] mindspring.com G.P. Ryan mmontcha [at] OregonVOS.net Matthew Montchalin rick [at] bcm.tmc.edu Richard H Miller stainles [at] realtime.net Dwight Brown webspinner [at] booksnbytes.com vickij [webspinner] Voted ABSTAIN ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ max [at] alcyone.com Erik Max Francis Invalid Votes ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ alphadingo [at] hotmail.com Dan Walker Freeman ! Ack bounced: No such user PR [at] e-dition.net Public Relations ! Invalid/Non-personal address pub [at] e-dition.net Pub ! Invalid/Non-personal address pub [at] multimedia-ebooks.com Relations publiques ! Invalid/Non-personal address -- Bill Aten, UVV