From daavid@tusc.com.au Wed Sep 7 16:27:59 1994 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: Daavid Turnbull Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.tech,rec.bicycles.marketplace,rec.bicycles.rides,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.racing,aus.bicycle Subject: RFD: rec.bicycles.mountain Followup-To: news.groups Date: 7 Sep 1994 16:00:25 -0400 Organization: foo Lines: 63 Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net Approved: tale@uunet.uu.net Message-ID: <34l64p$gjf@rodan.UU.NET> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:5587 news.groups:115267 rec.bicycles.misc:23659 rec.bicycles.tech:30646 rec.bicycles.marketplace:20758 rec.bicycles.rides:8490 rec.bicycles.soc:14152 rec.bicycles.racing:20416 aus.bicycle:2458 Group Name: rec.bicycles.mountain Status: Unmoderated Distribution: World Wide Summary: Discussion on issues specifically relating to all aspects of Moutain Bikes (MTB's) and Mountain Bike riding. Proposed by: Daavid Turnbull (daavid@tusc.com.au) This is a formal request for discussion (RFD) on the creation of an unmoderated newsgroup, rec.bicycles.mountain. Charter (Draft): This newsgroup is to provide a forum for the discussion and dissemination of information specifically relating to MTB's amd MTB riding. It is to provide a complimentary role to other news groups in the rec.bicycle heirachy. MTB's accounted for for over 70% of all bikes sold in the USA in 1993 indicating that they are more than just a passing fad. The name rec.bicycles.mountain was chosen over rec.bicycles.mtb or rec.bicycles.atb because of the use net edict of avoiding abbreviations. The technology and equipment used in MTB'ing is in many cases specific to MTB's. (Eg: Suspension, gearing, safety equipment, tyres, rims, hubs etc.) MTB'ing is as different to road biking as nordic/cross country skiing is to down hill skiing. The traffic in the rec.bicycles.* heirachy is high and the introduction of this news group will help spread the load. Many articals currently posted to this heiracy are forced to include "MTB" or "ATB" to indicate the scope of their subject matter. Many MTB'iers are only interested in MTB's and MTB riding and are frustrated at having to wade through articals which relate to other disiplines of cycling. There are a number of print media publications specifically for MTB'ing indicating that amongst the general public there is sufficient interest to suport information forums specific to the discipline. This RFD is being posted to the following Newsgroups : news.announce.newgroups news.groups rec.bicycles.misc rec.bicycles.tech rec.bicycles.marketplace rec.bicycles.rides rec.bicycles.soc rec.bicycles.racing aus.bicycle Any follow should be directed to : news.groups Proposed by (with prompting from many others!) by : -- Daavid Turnbull TUSC Computer Systems Pty Ltd daavid@tusc.com.au 666 Doncaster Road, Doncaster, Victoria, Australia, 3108. Phone (+61 3) 840 2222 Fax (+61 3) 840 2277 From daavid@tusc.com.au Wed Sep 14 14:14:14 1994 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: Daavid Turnbull Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.tech,rec.bicycles.marketplace,rec.bicycles.rides,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.racing,rec.backcountry,aus.bicycle Subject: 2nd RFD: rec.bicycles.off-road Followup-To: news.groups Date: 14 Sep 1994 13:37:27 -0400 Organization: foo Lines: 97 Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net Approved: tale@uunet.uu.net Message-ID: <357ccn$d7o@rodan.UU.NET> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:5624 news.groups:115981 rec.bicycles.misc:24006 rec.bicycles.tech:31233 rec.bicycles.marketplace:21083 rec.bicycles.rides:8593 rec.bicycles.soc:14398 rec.bicycles.racing:20786 rec.backcountry:63255 aus.bicycle:2491 Summary of changes: Name change of proprosed group: From rec.bicycles.mountain to rec.bicycles.off-road Additonal USENET groups RFD is being posted on: rec.backcountry RFD is also being sumitted to the following mailing list: mtb@cycling.org The charter has been narrowed to only be concerned with all aspects of off-road bicycling issues. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - This RFD is being posted to the following groups: news.announce.newgroups news.groups rec.bicycles.misc rec.bicycles.tech rec.bicycles.marketplace rec.bicycles.rides rec.bicycles.soc rec.bicycles.racing rec.backcountry aus.bicycle This RFD is also being submitted to the mtb mailing list: mtb@cycling.org All followups should be directed to: news.groups Rec.bicycles.off-road is a forum for discussion whose purpose is to provide information and support to off-road (or off pavement) bicyclists. The use of a bicycle on umimproved roads, gravel, dirt, grass, sand, single track or 4x4 roads should be considered off road use. (Basically anywhere that is not man made, hard and flat.) Dicussion might include (but not limited to): Environmental issues involving off-road bicycling Technical/practical issues involved in off-road bicycling Trail access Backcountry/Bush travel involving bicycles -be prepared -be a good camper - pack it in, pack it out -equipment options or combinations -overnight vs day use trips -etiquette Trail maintenance Tips on how to handle off-road specific conditions -tree roots -sand -loose steep climbs, etc. Where, when, and how to ride off road Any topic that relates to off road use of bicycles might be a subject for discussion. However, the rec.bicycles hierarchy already contains other groups, and readers of rec.bicycles.off-road would be encouraged to not post to rec.bicycles.off-road where interest is to a broarder audience. Items for sale/wanted should be posted to rec.bicycles.marketplace. Technical issues should be posted to rec.bicycles.tech unless the item is strictly of interest to only off road bicyclists. Rec.bicycles.off-road will: 1. Provide the off road bicyclist with a newsgroup to discus off road bicycling rides, issues, and concerns. 2. Help educate the bicyclist cycling off road on how to care for and respect the backcounty/bush. 3. Allow hikers and other users of off road areas to share concerns about bicyclists in the backcountry/bush. In summary, rec.bicycles.off-road encourages the free and open discussion on aspects of off-road. Proposed (with prompting from many others!) by : Daavid Turnbull TUSC Computer Systems Pty Ltd daavid@tusc.com.au 666 Doncaster Road, Doncaster, Victoria, Australia, 3108. Phone (+61 3) 840 2222 Fax (+61 3) 840 2277 and Roland L. Behunin ag331@freenet.carleton.ca From rdippold@qualcomm.com (RonDippold) Wed Oct 12 13:23:48 1994 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: rdippold@qualcomm.com (Ron "Asbestos" Dippold) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.tech,rec.bicycles.marketplace,rec.bicycles.rides,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.racing,rec.backcountry,aus.bicycle,de.rec.fahrrad Subject: CFV: rec.bicycles.off-road Followup-To: poster Date: 12 Oct 1994 12:42:19 -0400 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Lines: 101 Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net Approved: tale@uunet.uu.net Expires: 3 Nov 1994 00:00:00 GMT Message-ID: References: Reply-To: voting@qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold Voting Alias) NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:5768 news.groups:120315 rec.bicycles.misc:25423 rec.bicycles.tech:33425 rec.bicycles.marketplace:22747 rec.bicycles.rides:9073 rec.bicycles.soc:15301 rec.bicycles.racing:22197 rec.backcountry:65811 aus.bicycle:2640 de.rec.fahrrad:11758 FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2) unmoderated group rec.bicycles.off-road Newsgroups line: rec.bicycles.off-road All aspects of off-road bicycling. Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 2 November 1994. After this CFV appears on news.announce.newgroups it will be sent to the mailing list mtb@cycling.org. This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. For voting questions only contact rdippold@qualcomm.com. For questions about the proposed group contact Daavid Turnbull CHARTER rec.bicycles.off-road is a forum for discussion whose purpose is to provide information and support to off-road (or off pavement) bicyclists. The use of a bicycle on umimproved roads, gravel, dirt, grass, sand, single track or 4x4 roads should be considered off road use. (Basically anywhere that is not man made, hard and flat.) Dicussion might include (but not limited to): Environmental issues involving off-road bicycling Technical/practical issues involved in off-road bicycling Trail Issues -access/closure -maintenance Backcountry/Bush travel involving bicycles -preparation -camping skills -responsibilities to the environment -equipment options or combinations -overnight vs day use trips -etiquette Tips on how to handle off-road specific conditions (technically and eco-sensitively) -tree roots -sand -microbiotic crust -loose steep climbs, etc. Off-road biking magazines and other off-road biking media coverage Where, when, and how to ride off road Any topic that relates to off road use of bicycles might be a subject for discussion. However, the rec.bicycles hierarchy already contains other groups, and readers of rec.bicycles.off-road would be encouraged to not post to rec.bicycles.off-road where interest is to a broarder audience. Items for sale/wanted should be posted to rec.bicycles.marketplace. Technical issues should be posted to rec.bicycles.tech unless the item is strictly of interest to only off road bicyclists. Rec.bicycles.off-road will: 1. Provide the off road bicyclist with a newsgroup to discus off road bicycling rides, issues, and concerns. 2. Help educate the bicyclist cycling off road on how to care for and respect the backcounty/bush. 3. Allow hikers and other users of off road areas to share concerns about bicyclists in the backcountry/bush. In summary, rec.bicycles.off-road encourages the free and open discussion on aspects of off-road. Reasons why this group should be passed: The RFD's associated with the creation of this group have generated much heated discussion from the rec.bicycle.* heirachy. It is clear to me from the replies that there is a significant portion of the usenet cycling population that are only interested in off-road cycling. (Myself included.) Further evidence to this is the creation of a mailing list dedicated to mountain biking issues had over 150 members in its first week of operation and continues to grow. The creation of this newsgroup will greatly enhance the organisation of the posts through the rec.bicycles herirachy. HOW TO VOTE Send MAIL to: voting@qualcomm.com Just Replying should work if you are not reading this on a mailing list. Your mail message should contain one of the following statements: I vote YES on rec.bicycles.off-road I vote NO on rec.bicycles.off-road You may also ABSTAIN in place of YES/NO - this will not affect the outcome. Anything else may be rejected by the automatic vote counting program. The votetaker will respond to your received ballots with a personal acknowledge- ment by mail - if you do not receive one within several days, try again. It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly. One vote counted per person, no more than one per account. Addresses and votes of all voters will be published in the final voting results list. From rdippold@qualcomm.com (RonDippold) Wed Oct 26 12:58:57 1994 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: rdippold@qualcomm.com (Ron "Asbestos" Dippold) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.tech,rec.bicycles.marketplace,rec.bicycles.rides,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.racing,rec.backcountry,aus.bicycle,de.rec.fahrrad Subject: 2nd CFV: rec.bicycles.off-road Supersedes: Followup-To: poster Date: 26 Oct 1994 10:34:17 -0400 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Lines: 109 Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net Approved: tale@uunet.uu.net Expires: 3 Nov 1994 00:00:00 GMT Message-ID: References: Reply-To: voting@qualcomm.com (Ron Dippold Voting Alias) NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:5834 news.groups:121678 rec.bicycles.misc:26148 rec.bicycles.tech:34437 rec.bicycles.marketplace:23703 rec.bicycles.rides:9257 rec.bicycles.soc:15683 rec.bicycles.racing:22707 rec.backcountry:66858 aus.bicycle:2723 de.rec.fahrrad:12107 LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2) unmoderated group rec.bicycles.off-road Newsgroups line: rec.bicycles.off-road All aspects of off-road bicycling. Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 2 November 1994. After this CFV appears on news.announce.newgroups it will be sent to the mailing list mtb@cycling.org. This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. For voting questions only contact rdippold@qualcomm.com. For questions about the proposed group contact Daavid Turnbull CHARTER rec.bicycles.off-road is a forum for discussion whose purpose is to provide information and support to off-road (or off pavement) bicyclists. The use of a bicycle on umimproved roads, gravel, dirt, grass, sand, single track or 4x4 roads should be considered off road use. (Basically anywhere that is not man made, hard and flat.) Dicussion might include (but not limited to): Environmental issues involving off-road bicycling Technical/practical issues involved in off-road bicycling Trail Issues -access/closure -maintenance Backcountry/Bush travel involving bicycles -preparation -camping skills -responsibilities to the environment -equipment options or combinations -overnight vs day use trips -etiquette Tips on how to handle off-road specific conditions (technically and eco-sensitively) -tree roots -sand -microbiotic crust -loose steep climbs, etc. Off-road biking magazines and other off-road biking media coverage Where, when, and how to ride off road Any topic that relates to off road use of bicycles might be a subject for discussion. However, the rec.bicycles hierarchy already contains other groups, and readers of rec.bicycles.off-road would be encouraged to not post to rec.bicycles.off-road where interest is to a broarder audience. Items for sale/wanted should be posted to rec.bicycles.marketplace. Technical issues should be posted to rec.bicycles.tech unless the item is strictly of interest to only off road bicyclists. Rec.bicycles.off-road will: 1. Provide the off road bicyclist with a newsgroup to discus off road bicycling rides, issues, and concerns. 2. Help educate the bicyclist cycling off road on how to care for and respect the backcounty/bush. 3. Allow hikers and other users of off road areas to share concerns about bicyclists in the backcountry/bush. In summary, rec.bicycles.off-road encourages the free and open discussion on aspects of off-road. Reasons why this group should be passed: The RFD's associated with the creation of this group have generated much heated discussion from the rec.bicycle.* heirachy. It is clear to me from the replies that there is a significant portion of the usenet cycling population that are only interested in off-road cycling. (Myself included.) Further evidence to this is the creation of a mailing list dedicated to mountain biking issues had over 150 members in its first week of operation and continues to grow. The creation of this newsgroup will greatly enhance the organisation of the posts through the rec.bicycles herirachy. HOW TO VOTE Send MAIL to: voting@qualcomm.com Just Replying should work if you are not reading this on a mailing list. Your mail message should contain one of the following statements: I vote YES on rec.bicycles.off-road I vote NO on rec.bicycles.off-road You may also ABSTAIN in place of YES/NO - this will not affect the outcome. Anything else may be rejected by the automatic vote counting program. The votetaker will respond to your received ballots with a personal acknowledge- ment by mail - if you do not receive one within several days, try again. It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly. One vote counted per person, no more than one per account. Addresses and votes of all voters will be published in the final voting results list. rec.bicycles.off-road Bounce List - No need to revote ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ fineberg@fineberg.sj.scruznet.com Samuel A. Fineberg jpimentel@nectech.com whalen@starch.enet.dec.com Rich Whalen 17-Oct-1994 0843 From rdippold@qualcomm.com (RonDippold) Fri Nov 4 15:17:10 1994 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: rdippold@qualcomm.com (Ron "Asbestos" Dippold) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.tech,rec.bicycles.marketplace,rec.bicycles.rides,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.racing,rec.backcountry,aus.bicycle,de.rec.fahrrad Subject: RESULT: rec.bicycles.off-road passes 566:85 Supersedes: Followup-To: news.groups Date: 4 Nov 1994 14:07:04 -0500 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Lines: 758 Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net Approved: tale@uunet.uu.net Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:5900 news.groups:122382 rec.bicycles.misc:26749 rec.bicycles.tech:35095 rec.bicycles.marketplace:24299 rec.bicycles.rides:9382 rec.bicycles.soc:15880 rec.bicycles.racing:23120 rec.backcountry:67551 aus.bicycle:2766 de.rec.fahrrad:12350 RESULT unmoderated group rec.bicycles.off-road passes 566:85 There were 566 YES votes and 85 NO votes, for a total of 651 valid votes. There were 3 invalid ballots. For group passage, YES votes must be at least 2/3 of all valid (YES and NO) votes. There also must be at least 100 more YES votes than NO votes. There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted. If no serious allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the moderator of news.announce.newgroups will create the group shortly thereafter. Newsgroups line: rec.bicycles.off-road All aspects of off-road bicycling. This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. For voting questions only contact rdippold@qualcomm.com. For questions about the proposed group contact Daavid Turnbull CHARTER rec.bicycles.off-road is a forum for discussion whose purpose is to provide information and support to off-road (or off pavement) bicyclists. The use of a bicycle on umimproved roads, gravel, dirt, grass, sand, single track or 4x4 roads should be considered off road use. (Basically anywhere that is not man made, hard and flat.) Dicussion might include (but not limited to): Environmental issues involving off-road bicycling Technical/practical issues involved in off-road bicycling Trail Issues -access/closure -maintenance Backcountry/Bush travel involving bicycles -preparation -camping skills -responsibilities to the environment -equipment options or combinations -overnight vs day use trips -etiquette Tips on how to handle off-road specific conditions (technically and eco-sensitively) -tree roots -sand -microbiotic crust -loose steep climbs, etc. Off-road biking magazines and other off-road biking media coverage Where, when, and how to ride off road Any topic that relates to off road use of bicycles might be a subject for discussion. However, the rec.bicycles hierarchy already contains other groups, and readers of rec.bicycles.off-road would be encouraged to not post to rec.bicycles.off-road where interest is to a broarder audience. Items for sale/wanted should be posted to rec.bicycles.marketplace. Technical issues should be posted to rec.bicycles.tech unless the item is strictly of interest to only off road bicyclists. Rec.bicycles.off-road will: 1. Provide the off road bicyclist with a newsgroup to discus off road bicycling rides, issues, and concerns. 2. Help educate the bicyclist cycling off road on how to care for and respect the backcounty/bush. 3. Allow hikers and other users of off road areas to share concerns about bicyclists in the backcountry/bush. In summary, rec.bicycles.off-road encourages the free and open discussion on aspects of off-road. Reasons why this group should be passed: The RFD's associated with the creation of this group have generated much heated discussion from the rec.bicycle.* heirachy. It is clear to me from the replies that there is a significant portion of the usenet cycling population that are only interested in off-road cycling. (Myself included.) Further evidence to this is the creation of a mailing list dedicated to mountain biking issues had over 150 members in its first week of operation and continues to grow. The creation of this newsgroup will greatly enhance the organisation of the posts through the rec.bicycles herirachy. rec.bicycles.off-road Final Vote Ack Voted Yes ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 71500.3435@CompuServe.COM JD Shevell 73021.2426@compuserve.com Ken Hawk 73730.667@CompuServe.COM Steve Raffaele 74363.764@CompuServe.COM Richard Valenzuela 75662.3415@CompuServe.COM Tony Reynolds 94tamamy@wave.scar.utoronto.ca TAM AMY SHUK-MING a.fathers@hotel.uws.EDU.AU A.Watts@bradford.ac.uk A WATTS aadolphs@abe.qualcomm.com Alan Adolphson ab251@freenet.carleton.ca Lorne Bergstrom abell1@mason1.gmu.edu Adam Bell acole@leland.Stanford.EDU Adam Parker Cole AD0006%BINGVMB.bitnet@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU Stanley E. 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McWilliams TLAVENGOOD@mecn.mass.edu tomlin@xsfi1.ICO.OLIVETTI.COM Brian Tomlin turnbull@coewl.cen.uiuc.edu Robert Turnbull UZS029@IBM.RHRZ.Uni-Bonn.DE Clemens Drue wally@wmeonlin.sacbbx.com Wally Garchow wfp5p@tigger.itc.virginia.edu Bill Pemberton wilde@cs.umt.edu Nick Wilde wiljo@cls.net Wiljo Heinen Votes in error ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ dhlemieu@chat.carleton.ca david h. lemieux ! Conflicting votes jcruz@aruba.ccit.arizona.edu Joseph L Cruz ! No vote statement in message root@bwl.uni-kiel.de Supervisor ! Invalid address From dblake@phy.ucsf.EDU Thu Dec 4 15:30:06 1997 Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back From: Dave Blake Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.bicycles.off-road,rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.tech,rec.bicycles.marketplace,rec.bicycles.rides,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.racing,aus.bicycle Subject: RFD: moderate rec.bicycles.off-road Followup-To: news.groups Message-ID: <881277771.19706@isc.org> Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org Archive-Name: rec.bicycles.off-road Date: Thu, 04 Dec 1997 23:22:51 GMT Lines: 213 Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:1009 REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD) moderated group rec.bicycles.off-road (moderates existing group) This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the moderation of the world-wide Usenet newsgroup rec.bicycles.off-road. This is not a Call For Votes (CFV); you cannot vote at this time. Procedural details are below. Newsgroup line: rec.bicycles.off-road Off-road cyclist topics. (Moderated) RATIONALE: rec.bicycles.off-road The charter has been amended on three points. 1) Posts that are derogatory towards off-road cyclists as a class of people are not within the charter. Posts that argue that off-road cycling should not exist anywhere at any time are not within the charter. 2) Posts that are concerned with environmental issues must be limited in scope to problems that are the direct result of off-road cycling and only off-road cycling. Examples of appropriate environmental issues for discussion in this newsgroup include trail erosion or trail building that is entirely attributable to off-road cyclists. Environmental subjects of more general interest, such as biodiversity, extinction, or the responses of wildlife to humans, should be directed to environmental newsgroups such as sci.environment, sci.bio.ecology, rec.animals.wildlife, or rec.backcountry, and are specifically excluded from discussion in rec.bicycles.off-road. 3) The newsgroup will change its status to moderated. The moderation will be by a robomoderator and a team of up to five humans. Posts that contain key words determined by the moderators will be sent to one moderator chosen at random to determine if it is accepted or not. Appeals can be made to all the moderators. The moderators will be dictated initially, and then changes in moderators will occur by a newsgroup email vote conducted by the moderators. The site to host the robot is as yet undetermined, but there are several informal volunteers. The changes in appropriate topics are made to correct for excessive leniency in the previous RFD. General environmental topics are not of particular interest to all off-road cyclists. Derogatory remarks towards off-road cyclists as a class of people do not contribute to the goals of the newsgroup is providing a forum for off-road cyclist, and a forum for others to express concerns about off-road cyclists. The general environmental topics and derogatory posts have originated from a small but very active group who have demonstrated a desire to go to great lengths to have these topics dominate newsgroup discussion, so I feel that moderation is a necessity. END RATIONALE. CHARTER: rec.bicycles.off-road Rec.bicycles.off-road is a forum for discussion whose purpose is to provide information and support to off-road bicyclists. The use of a bicycle on umimproved roads, gravel, dirt, grass, sand, single track or 4x4 roads should be considered off road use. (Basically anywhere that is not man made, hard and flat.) Dicussion might include: Environmental issues particularly relevant to off-road bicycling Technical/practical issues involved in off-road bicycling Trail access specific to off-road cyclists Backcountry/Bush travel involving bicycles Trail maintenance for off-road cycling Tips on how to handle off-road specific riding conditions Where, when, and how to ride off road Any topic that relates to off road use of bicycles might be a subject for discussion. However, the rec.bicycles hierarchy already contains other groups, and readers of rec.bicycles.off-road would be encouraged to not post to rec.bicycles.off-road where interest is to a broader audience. Further, any environmental, wildlife, or trail access issue that relates to off road use of bicycles might be a subject for discussion as long as it is particularly relevant for off road cyclists. More general environmental and trail issues are not within the bounds of this charter, and should be sent to groups like sci.environment, sci.bio.ecology, rec.backcountry, rec.animals.wildlife, and talk.politics.animals. Please read their FAQs at http://www.faqs.org/ to see what is relevant in each group. Posts that are derogatory towards all off-road cyclists as a class of people (ie: Why can't mountain bikers reply without lying ?) and posts that argue that off-road cycling should not exist are specifically excluded from discussion. The newsgroup is created as a resource for the off-road cyclist, and as a place for others to share concerns about off-road cyclists. Derogatory posts towards all off-road cyclists as a class of people do not serve that role, nor do posts that argue that the activity should not exist. Items for sale/wanted should be posted to rec.bicycles.marketplace. Technical issues should be posted to rec.bicycles.tech unless the item is strictly of interest only to off road bicyclists. Rec.bicycles.off-road will: 1. Provide the off road bicyclist with a newsgroup to discus off road bicycling rides, issues, and concerns. 2. Help educate the bicyclist cycling off road on how to care for and respect the backcounty/bush. 3. Allow hikers and other users of off road areas to share concerns about bicyclists in the backcountry/bush. Moderation was initiated to keep posts within the bounds of the charter. It is not intended to keep anyone from posting to the newsgroup so long as the message content is within the bounds of this charter, or within the bounds of any FAQ that is passed by the newsgroup by 2/3 vote in the future. Votes on FAQs will be counted by the moderators. It is worth mentioning that proper netiquette must also be obeyed in posts, and is a valid reason for rejection of posts. The software for the robomoderator is available at http://www.galstar.com/~ichudov/usenet/scrm/robomod/robomod.html MODERATION POLICY Rec.bicycles.off-road shall employ a combination of human and robomoderation. 1) The robomoderator first will screen every article submitted to rec.bicycles.off-road. It will unequivocally reject any article that falls into one or more or the following categories: A) Articles that contain more than 75 characters per line; B) Aricles crossposted to two or more newsgroups other than rec.bicycles.off-road; C) Articles consisting of more than 3/4 quoted text. Certain other articles may be reject automatically -- or forwarded to the human moderators for review -- as explained in sections 2-4 below. 2) The moderator panel, by majority vote, will choose keywords, subjects, and authors. Posts containing any of these will be automatically forwarded to one of the human panel for moderation. Habitual offenders of the moderation will be "black-listed" by the moderators by a simple majority vote. Black-listing will consist of a ban of up to three months, chosen by the moderator panel. The ban will be enforced by the robomoderator, and efforts to use other Internet identities to get around the ban will be dealt with by more severe penalties. 3) The robomoderator or human panel, when rejecting a submission, shall send the submission's author a copy of the moderation policy statement, thus explaining why the submission was not posted. 4) The moderation panel may cancel articles that have been posted to rec.bicycles.off-road due to forgery, errors in the moderation script, and so forth. The number of active moderators in the moderation panel shall initially be 5. Moderators will be added to the panel as necessary by a vote in the newsgroup initiated by and conducted by the moderator panel. Moderators may retire at any time, or may be removed by a vote of the other moderators passing with a super-majority of 3/4 or greater. In summary, rec.bicycles.off-road encourages discussion on aspects of off-road cycling, and discussion on environmental concerns particularly relevant to off-road cycling. END CHARTER. MODERATOR INFO: rec.bicycles.off-road Moderator: Charles Beristain Moderator: Chris S. Mayhew Moderator: Mark Chandler Moderator: Jack Pine Moderator: Scott Patton END MODERATOR INFO. PROCEDURE: This is a request for discussion, not a call for votes. In this phase of the process, any potential problems with the proposed newsgroups should be raised and resolved. The discussion period will continue for a minimum of 21 days (starting from when the first RFD for this proposal is posted to news.announce.newgroups), after which a Call For Votes (CFV) may be posted by a neutral vote taker if the discussion warrants it. Please do not attempt to vote until this happens. All further discussion of this proposal should be posted to news.groups, and not cross-posted to any other newsgroups. This RFD attempts to comply with the Usenet newsgroup creation guidelines outlined in 'How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup' and 'How to Format and Submit a New Group Proposal'. Please refer to these documents (available in news.announce.newgroups) if you have any questions about the process. DISTRIBUTION: This RFD is being posted to the following groups: news.announce.newgroups news.groups rec.bicycles.off-road rec.bicycles.misc rec.bicycles.tech rec.bicycles.marketplace rec.bicycles.rides rec.bicycles.soc rec.bicycles.racing rec.backcountry aus.bicycle All followups should be directed to: news.groups Proponent: David Blake From dblake@phy.ucsf.EDU Tue Jan 6 14:45:24 1998 Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back From: Dave Blake Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.bicycles.off-road,rec.bicycles.misc,rec.backcountry,aus.bicycle,ont.bicycle,bc.cycling,uk.rec.cycling Subject: 2nd RFD: moderate rec.bicycles.off-road Followup-To: news.groups Message-ID: <884126141.21425@isc.org> Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org Archive-Name: rec.bicycles.off-road Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 22:35:42 GMT Lines: 241 Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:9680 news.groups:269597 rec.bicycles.off-road:82246 rec.bicycles.misc:75552 rec.backcountry:172732 REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD) moderated group rec.bicycles.off-road (moderates existing group) This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the moderation of the world-wide Usenet newsgroup rec.bicycles.off-road. This is not a Call For Votes (CFV); you cannot vote at this time. Procedural details are below. Newsgroup line: rec.bicycles.off-road moderated off-road cyclist topics. (Moderated) CHANGES from previous RFD: The previous RFD has been amended on four points. 1) Moderation policy. Under this RFD moderators would have the power to cancel posts under conditions of forgery or catastrophic failure of the robomoderator. An example of catastrophic failure would be posting the identical message 100 times. The previous RFD allowed the moderators to cancel any message that should not have made it through the robomoderator. 2) Moderation policy. The previous RFD was unclear on the number of moderators. It would initially be 5, and the moderators would control their number from that point on by initiating and conducting votes in the newsgroup. 3) Moderation policy. The previous RFD stated that posts would be rejected or moderated for formatting errors such as too many characters per line or too much quoted text. These formatting errors will be ignored by the moderation process. 4) Moderation policy - blacklisting. The previous RFD allowed blacklisting of posters with a simple majority vote. This has been changed to a 3/4 supermajority, and the wording on when it is appropriate to ban a poster has been reworded. A poster may be blacklisted if he is malicious in attempts to use moderator time by knowingly submitting inappropriate posts. 4) The local newsgroups ont.bicycle, bc.cycling, uk.rec.cycling were added to the distribution at the request of a post in news.groups. RATIONALE: rec.bicycles.off-road The changes in appropriate topics are made to correct for excessive leniency in the previously passed RFD. General environmental topics are not of particular interest to all off-road cyclists. Derogatory remarks towards off-road cyclists as a class of people do not contribute to the goals of the newsgroup is providing a forum for the off-road cyclist, and a forum for others to express concerns about off-road cyclists. The general environmental topics and derogatory posts have originated from a small but very active group who have demonstrated a desire to go to great lengths to have these topics dominate newsgroup discussion, so I feel that moderation is a necessity. END RATIONALE. CHARTER: rec.bicycles.off-road Rec.bicycles.off-road is a forum for discussion for issues of direct relevance only to off-road cyclists. The use of a bicycle anywhere that is not man-made and hard should be considered off-road use. Discussion might include: Environmental issues relevant only to off-road bicycling Technical/practical issues involved in off-road bicycling Trail access specific to off-road cyclists Backcountry/Bush travel involving bicycles Trail maintenance for off-road cycling Tips on how to handle off-road specific riding conditions Where, when, and how to ride off road Any topic that directly relates to off road use of bicycles could be a subject for discussion. However, there exist other newsgroups for which more general topics that also involve off-road cycling are more appropriate, in particular in the rec.bicycle.* hierarchy, and more general groups for environmental and trail issues like talk.environment, sci.environment, sci.bio.ecology, rec.backcountry, rec.animals.wildlife, and talk.politics.animals. The reader is encouraged to post these more general issues elsewhere and not in rec.bicycles.off-road. Do not post to any group without reading their charter or FAQ to determine appropriate content. These can be found at http://www.faqs.org/. In particular, environmental and trail issues are on-topic only if they are of direct relevance to off-road cyclists and only to off-road cyclists. Examples of more general issues to be avoided in this charter are biodiversity, wildlife response to humans, and extinction. Examples of suitable environmental and trail issues are actions taken by off-road cycling groups in anticipation of or in response to trail closures, trail construction that is specific to off-road bicycle use, or appropriateness of riding in different conditions such as rain. Posts that assign derogatory attributes to off-road cyclists that are unrelated to the act of off-road cycling (ie: Why can't mountain bikers reply without lying ?) and posts that argue that off-road cycling should not exist anywhere at any time are specifically excluded from discussion. The newsgroup is created as a resource for the off-road cyclist, and as a place for others to share concerns about off-road cyclists. Derogatory posts towards all off-road cyclists as a class of people do not serve that role, nor do posts that argue that the activity should not exist. Items for sale/wanted should be posted to rec.bicycles.marketplace. Advertisements for sales are off-topic. Rec.bicycles.off-road will: 1. Provide the off road bicyclist with a newsgroup to discuss off road bicycling issues. 2. Allow hikers and other users of off road areas to share concerns about bicyclists in the backcountry/bush. Moderation was initiated to keep posts within the bounds of the charter. It is not intended to keep anyone from posting to the newsgroup so long as the message content is within the bounds of this charter, or within the bounds of any FAQ that is passed by the newsgroup by 2/3 vote (and a voting total greater than 100 votes) in the future. FAQ discussion can be initiated by anyone in the newsgroup, and FAQ votes will be called by the moderators after a period of sufficient interest and discussion of no less than 14 days. Votes on FAQs will be counted by the moderators and will not be posted to the group, except for a summary. The software for the robomoderator is available at http://www.galstar.com/~ichudov/usenet/scrm/robomod/robomod.html Moderation Policy: Rec.bicycles.off-road shall employ a combination of human and robomoderation. 1) The robomoderator first will screen every article submitted to rec.bicycles.off-road. It will unequivocally reject any article that falls into one or more or the following categories: A) Articles crossposted to more than two newsgroups other than rec.bicycles.off-road; B) Articles that are from black-listed sources The robomoderator will notify the source of its reason for rejection using the return email address of the author. If a valid email address is not used the author may not be notified of the rejection of his submission. Certain other articles may be forwarded to the human moderators for review, as explained below. 2) The moderator panel, by majority vote, will choose keywords, subjects, and authors. Posts containing any of these will be automatically forwarded to one of the human panel for moderation. The moderators may reject the articles because they are not of appropriate topic. The moderators will attempt to send the author email explaining the rejections. Posts not rejected are accepted. 3) Anything not falling under 1) or 2) will be posted to the group. Anything that is human moderated and accepted will be posted to the group. 4) The moderators may choose to make a source 'black-listed' by a 3/4 supermajority vote. Black-listing will consist of a ban of up to three months, chosen by the moderator panel. Criteria for black-listing will be that A) a human is malicious in attempts to use moderator time or B) software is malfunctioning. It should never be used to keep anyone from attempting to comply with the charter. 5) The moderation panel may cancel articles that have been posted to rec.bicycles.off-road due to forgery or catastrophic failure of the robomoderator. An example of catastrophic failure would be the robomoderator posting 100 copies of the same article. 6) A separate email address shall be set up that will go to all of the moderators. Through this address posters may ask questions about moderation procedure and appeal blacklistings. The number of active moderators in the moderation panel shall initially be 5. Moderators will be added to the panel as necessary by a vote in the newsgroup initiated by and conducted by the moderator panel. Moderators may retire at any time, or may be removed by a vote of the other moderators passing with a super-majority of 3/4 or greater. In summary, rec.bicycles.off-road encourages discussion on aspects of off-road cycling, and discussion on environmental concerns particularly relevant to off-road cycling. END CHARTER. MODERATOR INFO: rec.bicycles.off-road Moderator: Charles Beristain Moderator: Chris S. Mayhew Moderator: Mark Chandler Moderator: Jack Pine Moderator: Scott Patton END MODERATOR INFO. PROCEDURE: This is a request for discussion, not a call for votes. In this phase of the process, any potential problems with the proposed newsgroups should be raised and resolved. The discussion period will continue for a minimum of 21 days (starting from when the first RFD for this proposal is posted to news.announce.newgroups), after which a Call For Votes (CFV) may be posted by a neutral vote taker if the discussion warrants it. Please do not attempt to vote until this happens. The Followups: to this message are set to news.groups. All further discussion of this proposal should be posted to news.groups. This RFD attempts to comply with the Usenet newsgroup creation guidelines outlined in 'How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup' and 'How to Format and Submit a New Group Proposal'. Please refer to these documents (available in news.announce.newgroups) if you have any questions about the process. DISTRIBUTION: This RFD is being posted to the following groups: news.announce.newgroups news.groups rec.bicycles.off-road rec.bicycles.misc rec.bicycles.tech rec.bicycles.marketplace rec.bicycles.rides rec.bicycles.soc rec.bicycles.racing rec.backcountry aus.bicycle ont.bicycle bc.cycling uk.rec.cycling Followups-to: news.groups Proponent: David Blake dblake@phy.ucsf.edu END RFD. From bostwick@cas.chemistry.gatech.edu Mon Jan 19 09:15:20 1998 Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back From: David Bostwick Reply-To: bostwick@cas.chemistry.gatech.edu Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,aus.bicycle,bc.cycling,ont.bicycle,rec.backcountry,rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.off-road,uk.rec.cycling Subject: CFV: moderate rec.bicycles.off-road Followup-To: poster Message-ID: <885229491.16304@isc.org> References: <881277771.19706@isc.org> <884126141.21425@isc.org> Supersedes: <884126141.21425@isc.org> Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org Expires: 10 Feb 1998 00:00:00 GMT Archive-Name: rec.bicycles.off-road Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 17:04:52 GMT Lines: 271 Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:9715 news.groups:270431 rec.backcountry:173650 rec.bicycles.misc:75984 rec.bicycles.off-road:83280 FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2) moderated group rec.bicycles.off-road (moderates existing group) Instructions for voting are just before the ballot itself. Please read them before voting. If you have questions about the voting process, ask the votetaker. This CFV is to be distributed only by the votetaker. It is not to be posted to newsgroups, or mailed to mailing lists or individuals, except by the votetaker, and it is not to be placed on the World Wide Web. Ballots or CFVs provided by anyone except the votetaker will be invalid. Newsgroups line: rec.bicycles.off-road Moderated off-road cyclist topics. (Moderated) Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 9 Feb 1998. This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. Questions about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent. Proponent: Dave Blake Votetaker: David Bostwick RATIONALE: rec.bicycles.off-road The changes in appropriate topics are made to correct for excessive leniency in the previously passed RFD. General environmental topics are not of particular interest to all off-road cyclists. Derogatory remarks towards off-road cyclists as a class of people do not contribute to the goals of the newsgroup is providing a forum for the off-road cyclist, and a forum for others to express concerns about off-road cyclists. The general environmental topics and derogatory posts have originated from a small but very active group who have demonstrated a desire to go to great lengths to have these topics dominate newsgroup discussion, so I feel that moderation is a necessity. CHARTER: rec.bicycles.off-road Rec.bicycles.off-road is a forum for discussion for issues of direct relevance only to off-road cyclists. The use of a bicycle anywhere that is not man-made and hard should be considered off-road use. Discussion might include: Environmental issues relevant only to off-road bicycling Technical/practical issues involved in off-road bicycling Trail access specific to off-road cyclists Backcountry/Bush travel involving bicycles Trail maintenance for off-road cycling Tips on how to handle off-road specific riding conditions Where, when, and how to ride off road Any topic that directly relates to off road use of bicycles could be a subject for discussion. However, there exist other newsgroups for which more general topics that also involve off-road cycling are more appropriate, in particular in the rec.bicycle.* hierarchy, and more general groups for environmental and trail issues like talk.environment, sci.environment, sci.bio.ecology, rec.backcountry, rec.animals.wildlife, and talk.politics.animals. The reader is encouraged to post these more general issues elsewhere and not in rec.bicycles.off-road. Do not post to any group without reading their charter or FAQ to determine appropriate content. These can be found at http://www.faqs.org/. In particular, environmental and trail issues are on-topic only if they are of direct relevance to off-road cyclists and only to off-road cyclists. Examples of more general issues to be avoided in this charter are biodiversity, wildlife response to humans, and extinction. Examples of suitable environmental and trail issues are actions taken by off-road cycling groups in anticipation of or in response to trail closures, trail construction that is specific to off-road bicycle use, or appropriateness of riding in different conditions such as rain. Posts that assign derogatory attributes to off-road cyclists that are unrelated to the act of off-road cycling (ie: Why can't mountain bikers reply without lying ?) and posts that argue that off-road cycling should not exist anywhere at any time are specifically excluded from discussion. The newsgroup is created as a resource for the off-road cyclist, and as a place for others to share concerns about off-road cyclists. Derogatory posts towards all off-road cyclists as a class of people do not serve that role, nor do posts that argue that the activity should not exist. Items for sale/wanted should be posted to rec.bicycles.marketplace. Advertisements for sales are off-topic. Rec.bicycles.off-road will: 1. Provide the off road bicyclist with a newsgroup to discuss off road bicycling issues. 2. Allow hikers and other users of off road areas to share concerns about bicyclists in the backcountry/bush. Moderation was initiated to keep posts within the bounds of the charter. It is not intended to keep anyone from posting to the newsgroup so long as the message content is within the bounds of this charter, or within the bounds of any FAQ that is passed by the newsgroup by 2/3 vote (and a voting total greater than 100 votes) in the future. FAQ discussion can be initiated by anyone in the newsgroup, and FAQ votes will be called by the moderators after a period of sufficient interest and discussion of no less than 14 days. Votes on FAQs will be counted by the moderators and will not be posted to the group, except for a summary. The software for the robomoderator is available at http://www.galstar.com/~ichudov/usenet/scrm/robomod/robomod.html Moderation Policy: Rec.bicycles.off-road shall employ a combination of human and robomoderation. 1) The robomoderator first will screen every article submitted to rec.bicycles.off-road. It will unequivocally reject any article that falls into one or more or the following categories: A) Articles crossposted to more than two newsgroups other than rec.bicycles.off-road; B) Articles that are from black-listed sources The robomoderator will notify the source of its reason for rejection using the return email address of the author. If a valid email address is not used the author may not be notified of the rejection of his submission. Certain other articles may be forwarded to the human moderators for review, as explained below. 2) The moderator panel, by majority vote, will choose keywords, subjects, and authors. Posts containing any of these will be automatically forwarded to one of the human panel for moderation. The moderators may reject the articles because they are not of appropriate topic. The moderators will attempt to send the author email explaining the rejections. Posts not rejected are accepted. 3) Anything not falling under 1) or 2) will be posted to the group. Anything that is human moderated and accepted will be posted to the group. 4) The moderators may choose to make a source 'black-listed' by a 3/4 supermajority vote. Black-listing will consist of a ban of up to three months, chosen by the moderator panel. Criteria for black-listing will be that A) a human is malicious in attempts to use moderator time or B) software is malfunctioning. It should never be used to keep anyone from attempting to comply with the charter. 5) The moderation panel may cancel articles that have been posted to rec.bicycles.off-road due to forgery or catastrophic failure of the robomoderator. An example of catastrophic failure would be the robomoderator posting 100 copies of the same article. 6) A separate email address shall be set up that will go to all of the moderators. Through this address posters may ask questions about moderation procedure and appeal blacklistings. The number of active moderators in the moderation panel shall initially be 5. Moderators will be added to the panel as necessary by a vote in the newsgroup initiated by and conducted by the moderator panel. Moderators may retire at any time, or may be removed by a vote of the other moderators passing with a super-majority of 3/4 or greater. In summary, rec.bicycles.off-road encourages discussion on aspects of off-road cycling, and discussion on environmental concerns particularly relevant to off-road cycling. END CHARTER. MODERATOR INFO: rec.bicycles.off-road Moderator: Charles Beristain Moderator: "Chris S. Mayhew" Moderator: Mark Chandler Moderator: Jack Pine Moderator: Scott Patton Administrative contact address: rbor-administrator@plain.net Article submission address: rbor@plain.net END MODERATOR INFO. DISTRIBUTION: Pointers directing readers to this CFV will be posted in these groups: rec.bicycles.racing rec.bicycles.tech rec.bicycles.rides rec.bicycles.soc IMPORTANT VOTING PROCEDURE NOTES: READ THIS BEFORE VOTING Only one vote is allowed per person or per account. Duplicate votes will be resolved in favor of the most recent valid vote. Addresses and votes of all voters will be listed in the final voting results post. Votes must be mailed directly from the voter to the votetaker. 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PQ datestamp: 971119 -- Voting address : bostwick@cas.chemistry.gatech.edu From bostwick@cas.chemistry.gatech.edu Thu Jan 29 10:00:13 1998 Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back From: David Bostwick Reply-To: bostwick@cas.chemistry.gatech.edu Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,aus.bicycle,bc.cycling,ont.bicycle,rec.backcountry,rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.off-road,uk.rec.cycling Subject: 2nd CFV: moderate rec.bicycles.off-road Followup-To: poster Message-ID: <886096696.6093@isc.org> References: <881277771.19706@isc.org> <884126141.21425@isc.org> <885229491.16304@isc.org> Supersedes: <885229491.16304@isc.org> Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org Expires: 10 Feb 1998 00:00:00 GMT Archive-Name: rec.bicycles.off-road Date: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 17:58:16 GMT Lines: 277 Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:9730 news.groups:270799 rec.backcountry:173965 rec.bicycles.misc:76174 rec.bicycles.off-road:83732 LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2) moderated group rec.bicycles.off-road (moderates existing group) Instructions for voting are just before the ballot itself. Please read them before voting. If you have questions about the voting process, ask the votetaker. This CFV is to be distributed only by the votetaker. It is not to be posted to newsgroups, or mailed to mailing lists or individuals, except by the votetaker, and it is not to be placed on the World Wide Web. Ballots or CFVs provided by anyone except the votetaker will be invalid. Newsgroups line: rec.bicycles.off-road Moderated off-road cyclist topics. (Moderated) Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 9 Feb 1998. This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. Questions about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent. Proponent: Dave Blake Votetaker: David Bostwick RATIONALE: rec.bicycles.off-road The changes in appropriate topics are made to correct for excessive leniency in the previously passed RFD. General environmental topics are not of particular interest to all off-road cyclists. Derogatory remarks towards off-road cyclists as a class of people do not contribute to the goals of the newsgroup is providing a forum for the off-road cyclist, and a forum for others to express concerns about off-road cyclists. The general environmental topics and derogatory posts have originated from a small but very active group who have demonstrated a desire to go to great lengths to have these topics dominate newsgroup discussion, so I feel that moderation is a necessity. CHARTER: rec.bicycles.off-road Rec.bicycles.off-road is a forum for discussion for issues of direct relevance only to off-road cyclists. The use of a bicycle anywhere that is not man-made and hard should be considered off-road use. Discussion might include: Environmental issues relevant only to off-road bicycling Technical/practical issues involved in off-road bicycling Trail access specific to off-road cyclists Backcountry/Bush travel involving bicycles Trail maintenance for off-road cycling Tips on how to handle off-road specific riding conditions Where, when, and how to ride off road Any topic that directly relates to off road use of bicycles could be a subject for discussion. However, there exist other newsgroups for which more general topics that also involve off-road cycling are more appropriate, in particular in the rec.bicycle.* hierarchy, and more general groups for environmental and trail issues like talk.environment, sci.environment, sci.bio.ecology, rec.backcountry, rec.animals.wildlife, and talk.politics.animals. The reader is encouraged to post these more general issues elsewhere and not in rec.bicycles.off-road. Do not post to any group without reading their charter or FAQ to determine appropriate content. These can be found at http://www.faqs.org/. In particular, environmental and trail issues are on-topic only if they are of direct relevance to off-road cyclists and only to off-road cyclists. Examples of more general issues to be avoided in this charter are biodiversity, wildlife response to humans, and extinction. Examples of suitable environmental and trail issues are actions taken by off-road cycling groups in anticipation of or in response to trail closures, trail construction that is specific to off-road bicycle use, or appropriateness of riding in different conditions such as rain. Posts that assign derogatory attributes to off-road cyclists that are unrelated to the act of off-road cycling (ie: Why can't mountain bikers reply without lying ?) and posts that argue that off-road cycling should not exist anywhere at any time are specifically excluded from discussion. The newsgroup is created as a resource for the off-road cyclist, and as a place for others to share concerns about off-road cyclists. Derogatory posts towards all off-road cyclists as a class of people do not serve that role, nor do posts that argue that the activity should not exist. Items for sale/wanted should be posted to rec.bicycles.marketplace. Advertisements for sales are off-topic. Rec.bicycles.off-road will: 1. Provide the off road bicyclist with a newsgroup to discuss off road bicycling issues. 2. Allow hikers and other users of off road areas to share concerns about bicyclists in the backcountry/bush. Moderation was initiated to keep posts within the bounds of the charter. It is not intended to keep anyone from posting to the newsgroup so long as the message content is within the bounds of this charter, or within the bounds of any FAQ that is passed by the newsgroup by 2/3 vote (and a voting total greater than 100 votes) in the future. FAQ discussion can be initiated by anyone in the newsgroup, and FAQ votes will be called by the moderators after a period of sufficient interest and discussion of no less than 14 days. Votes on FAQs will be counted by the moderators and will not be posted to the group, except for a summary. The software for the robomoderator is available at http://www.galstar.com/~ichudov/usenet/scrm/robomod/robomod.html Moderation Policy: Rec.bicycles.off-road shall employ a combination of human and robomoderation. 1) The robomoderator first will screen every article submitted to rec.bicycles.off-road. It will unequivocally reject any article that falls into one or more or the following categories: A) Articles crossposted to more than two newsgroups other than rec.bicycles.off-road; B) Articles that are from black-listed sources The robomoderator will notify the source of its reason for rejection using the return email address of the author. If a valid email address is not used the author may not be notified of the rejection of his submission. Certain other articles may be forwarded to the human moderators for review, as explained below. 2) The moderator panel, by majority vote, will choose keywords, subjects, and authors. Posts containing any of these will be automatically forwarded to one of the human panel for moderation. The moderators may reject the articles because they are not of appropriate topic. The moderators will attempt to send the author email explaining the rejections. Posts not rejected are accepted. 3) Anything not falling under 1) or 2) will be posted to the group. Anything that is human moderated and accepted will be posted to the group. 4) The moderators may choose to make a source 'black-listed' by a 3/4 supermajority vote. Black-listing will consist of a ban of up to three months, chosen by the moderator panel. Criteria for black-listing will be that A) a human is malicious in attempts to use moderator time or B) software is malfunctioning. It should never be used to keep anyone from attempting to comply with the charter. 5) The moderation panel may cancel articles that have been posted to rec.bicycles.off-road due to forgery or catastrophic failure of the robomoderator. An example of catastrophic failure would be the robomoderator posting 100 copies of the same article. 6) A separate email address shall be set up that will go to all of the moderators. Through this address posters may ask questions about moderation procedure and appeal blacklistings. The number of active moderators in the moderation panel shall initially be 5. Moderators will be added to the panel as necessary by a vote in the newsgroup initiated by and conducted by the moderator panel. Moderators may retire at any time, or may be removed by a vote of the other moderators passing with a super-majority of 3/4 or greater. In summary, rec.bicycles.off-road encourages discussion on aspects of off-road cycling, and discussion on environmental concerns particularly relevant to off-road cycling. END CHARTER. MODERATOR INFO: rec.bicycles.off-road Moderator: Charles Beristain Moderator: "Chris S. Mayhew" Moderator: Mark Chandler Moderator: Jack Pine Moderator: Scott Patton Administrative contact address: rbor-administrator@plain.net Article submission address: rbor@plain.net END MODERATOR INFO. DISTRIBUTION: Pointers directing readers to this CFV will be posted in these groups: rec.bicycles.racing rec.bicycles.tech rec.bicycles.rides rec.bicycles.soc IMPORTANT VOTING PROCEDURE NOTES: READ THIS BEFORE VOTING Only one vote is allowed per person or per account. Duplicate votes will be resolved in favor of the most recent valid vote. Addresses and votes of all voters will be listed in the final voting results post. Votes must be mailed directly from the voter to the votetaker. 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Distributing pre-marked or otherwise edited copies of this CFV is generally considered to be vote fraud. When in doubt, ask the votetaker. HOW TO VOTE: Extract the ballot from the CFV by deleting everything before the "BEGINNING OF BALLOT" and after the "END OF BALLOT" lines. Don't worry about the spacing of the columns or any quote characters (">") that your reply inserts. Please do not send the entire CFV back to me. Fill in the ballot as shown below. Please provide a valid name and indicate your desired vote in the appropriate locations inside the ballot. When finished, MAIL the ballot to: . Just "replying" to this message should work, but check the "To:" line. Examples of how to properly indicate your vote (do not vote here): [ YES ] example.yes.vote [ NO ] example.no.vote [ ABSTAIN ] example.abstention [ CANCEL ] example.cancellation DO NOT modify, alter or delete any information in this ballot! If you do, the voting software will probably reject your ballot. If these instructions are unclear, please ask the votetaker. ======== BEGINNING OF BALLOT: Delete everything before this line ======= .----------------------------------------------------------------------- | Do not edit anything in this ballot, except to add your name and vote. | | 2ND CALL FOR VOTES: rec.bicycles.off-road | Official Usenet Voting Ballot (Do not remove this line!) |----------------------------------------------------------------------- | Please provide a valid name, or your vote may be rejected. Place | ONLY your name (i.e., do not include your e-mail address or any other | information) after the colon on the line below. Voter name: | Insert YES, NO, ABSTAIN, or CANCEL inside the brackets for each | newsgroup listed below (do not delete the newsgroup name): Your Vote Newsgroup --------- ----------------------------------------------------------- [ ] rec.bicycles.off-road ======== END OF BALLOT: Delete everything after this line ============== This CFV was created with uvpq 1.0 (Aug 27 1997). PQ datestamp: 971119 -- Voting address : bostwick@cas.chemistry.gatech.edu rec.bicycles.off-road Bounce List - These votes have been recorded ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ rrakvaag@NOSPAM.sn.no Jon Rakvaag shap.wolf@*spamguard*.asu.edu S. Wolf woody2u@ix.netcom.comNS Mark Woodhead From bostwick@cas.chemistry.gatech.edu Tue Feb 10 12:00:12 1998 Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back From: David Bostwick Reply-To: bostwick@cas.chemistry.gatech.edu Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,aus.bicycle,bc.cycling,ont.bicycle,rec.backcountry,rec.bicycles.misc,rec.bicycles.off-road,uk.rec.cycling Subject: RESULT: moderate rec.bicycles.off-road passes 367:26 Followup-To: news.groups Message-ID: <887140731.750@isc.org> References: <881277771.19706@isc.org> <884126141.21425@isc.org> <885229491.16304@isc.org> <886096696.6093@isc.org> Supersedes: <886096696.6093@isc.org> Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org Archive-Name: rec.bicycles.off-road Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 19:58:54 GMT Lines: 599 Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:9764 news.groups:271361 rec.backcountry:175002 rec.bicycles.misc:76843 rec.bicycles.off-road:85107 RESULT moderated group rec.bicycles.off-road (moderates existing group) passes 367:26 There were 367 YES votes and 26 NO votes, for a total of 393 valid votes. There were 3 abstains and 3 invalid ballots. For group passage, YES votes must be at least 2/3 of all valid (YES and NO) votes. There also must be at least 100 more YES votes than NO votes. There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted. If no serious allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the moderator of news.announce.newgroups will create the group shortly thereafter. Newsgroups line: rec.bicycles.off-road Moderated off-road cyclist topics. (Moderated) The voting period ended at 23:59:59 UTC, 9 Feb 1998. This vote was conducted by a neutral third party. Questions about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent. Proponent: Dave Blake Votetaker: David Bostwick RATIONALE: rec.bicycles.off-road The changes in appropriate topics are made to correct for excessive leniency in the previously passed RFD. General environmental topics are not of particular interest to all off-road cyclists. Derogatory remarks towards off-road cyclists as a class of people do not contribute to the goals of the newsgroup is providing a forum for the off-road cyclist, and a forum for others to express concerns about off-road cyclists. The general environmental topics and derogatory posts have originated from a small but very active group who have demonstrated a desire to go to great lengths to have these topics dominate newsgroup discussion, so I feel that moderation is a necessity. CHARTER: rec.bicycles.off-road Rec.bicycles.off-road is a forum for discussion for issues of direct relevance only to off-road cyclists. The use of a bicycle anywhere that is not man-made and hard should be considered off-road use. Discussion might include: Environmental issues relevant only to off-road bicycling Technical/practical issues involved in off-road bicycling Trail access specific to off-road cyclists Backcountry/Bush travel involving bicycles Trail maintenance for off-road cycling Tips on how to handle off-road specific riding conditions Where, when, and how to ride off road Any topic that directly relates to off road use of bicycles could be a subject for discussion. However, there exist other newsgroups for which more general topics that also involve off-road cycling are more appropriate, in particular in the rec.bicycle.* hierarchy, and more general groups for environmental and trail issues like talk.environment, sci.environment, sci.bio.ecology, rec.backcountry, rec.animals.wildlife, and talk.politics.animals. The reader is encouraged to post these more general issues elsewhere and not in rec.bicycles.off-road. Do not post to any group without reading their charter or FAQ to determine appropriate content. These can be found at http://www.faqs.org/. In particular, environmental and trail issues are on-topic only if they are of direct relevance to off-road cyclists and only to off-road cyclists. Examples of more general issues to be avoided in this charter are biodiversity, wildlife response to humans, and extinction. Examples of suitable environmental and trail issues are actions taken by off-road cycling groups in anticipation of or in response to trail closures, trail construction that is specific to off-road bicycle use, or appropriateness of riding in different conditions such as rain. Posts that assign derogatory attributes to off-road cyclists that are unrelated to the act of off-road cycling (ie: Why can't mountain bikers reply without lying ?) and posts that argue that off-road cycling should not exist anywhere at any time are specifically excluded from discussion. The newsgroup is created as a resource for the off-road cyclist, and as a place for others to share concerns about off-road cyclists. Derogatory posts towards all off-road cyclists as a class of people do not serve that role, nor do posts that argue that the activity should not exist. Items for sale/wanted should be posted to rec.bicycles.marketplace. Advertisements for sales are off-topic. Rec.bicycles.off-road will: 1. Provide the off road bicyclist with a newsgroup to discuss off road bicycling issues. 2. Allow hikers and other users of off road areas to share concerns about bicyclists in the backcountry/bush. Moderation was initiated to keep posts within the bounds of the charter. It is not intended to keep anyone from posting to the newsgroup so long as the message content is within the bounds of this charter, or within the bounds of any FAQ that is passed by the newsgroup by 2/3 vote (and a voting total greater than 100 votes) in the future. FAQ discussion can be initiated by anyone in the newsgroup, and FAQ votes will be called by the moderators after a period of sufficient interest and discussion of no less than 14 days. Votes on FAQs will be counted by the moderators and will not be posted to the group, except for a summary. The software for the robomoderator is available at http://www.galstar.com/~ichudov/usenet/scrm/robomod/robomod.html Moderation Policy: Rec.bicycles.off-road shall employ a combination of human and robomoderation. 1) The robomoderator first will screen every article submitted to rec.bicycles.off-road. It will unequivocally reject any article that falls into one or more or the following categories: A) Articles crossposted to more than two newsgroups other than rec.bicycles.off-road; B) Articles that are from black-listed sources The robomoderator will notify the source of its reason for rejection using the return email address of the author. If a valid email address is not used the author may not be notified of the rejection of his submission. Certain other articles may be forwarded to the human moderators for review, as explained below. 2) The moderator panel, by majority vote, will choose keywords, subjects, and authors. Posts containing any of these will be automatically forwarded to one of the human panel for moderation. The moderators may reject the articles because they are not of appropriate topic. The moderators will attempt to send the author email explaining the rejections. Posts not rejected are accepted. 3) Anything not falling under 1) or 2) will be posted to the group. Anything that is human moderated and accepted will be posted to the group. 4) The moderators may choose to make a source 'black-listed' by a 3/4 supermajority vote. Black-listing will consist of a ban of up to three months, chosen by the moderator panel. Criteria for black-listing will be that A) a human is malicious in attempts to use moderator time or B) software is malfunctioning. It should never be used to keep anyone from attempting to comply with the charter. 5) The moderation panel may cancel articles that have been posted to rec.bicycles.off-road due to forgery or catastrophic failure of the robomoderator. An example of catastrophic failure would be the robomoderator posting 100 copies of the same article. 6) A separate email address shall be set up that will go to all of the moderators. Through this address posters may ask questions about moderation procedure and appeal blacklistings. The number of active moderators in the moderation panel shall initially be 5. Moderators will be added to the panel as necessary by a vote in the newsgroup initiated by and conducted by the moderator panel. Moderators may retire at any time, or may be removed by a vote of the other moderators passing with a super-majority of 3/4 or greater. In summary, rec.bicycles.off-road encourages discussion on aspects of off-road cycling, and discussion on environmental concerns particularly relevant to off-road cycling. END CHARTER. MODERATOR INFO: rec.bicycles.off-road Moderator: Charles Beristain Moderator: "Chris S. Mayhew" Moderator: Mark Chandler Moderator: Jack Pine Moderator: Scott Patton Administrative contact address: rbor-administrator@plain.net Article submission address: rbor@plain.net END MODERATOR INFO. rec.bicycles.off-road Final Vote Ack Voted Yes ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 2bits@wco.com Todd Ourston 8967051@LAB0.VET.ED.AC.UK Alistair Freeman a.fathers@uws.edu.au Tony Fathers abboud@sqi.com Bill Abboud abockman@ix.netcom.com Al Bockman achien@istar.ca Alan Chien ackerson@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu Christopher J. Ackerson alan@tippett.com Alan Boucek alex.w.scott@dial.pipex.com Alex allan@greyfax.demon.co.uk Allan D'All anders.haavie@samfunnsmed.uio.no Anders Haavie Andrew.Rubin@amermsx.med.ge.com Andrew Rubin andy@corp.plain.net Andy Goodwin angus@harlequin.com Angus Duggan anthony@eden.com Anthony V. Sloan aph@cygnus.co.uk Andrew Haley arielle@taronga.com Stephanie da Silva arne.lindelof@ecs.ericsson.se Arne Lindelof arrow@ibm.net Jeff Gazdacko asmith32@bellsouth.net Ashley Smith ASTARTECL@aol.com Rachel McCandless AT1TStar@aol.com Andrew Thorne atandt.i.am@worldnet.att.net Bob Manson austinvc@calweb.com John J. Powderly avatar@arkane.demon.co.uk Alistair J. R. Young ayau@cygnus.uwa.edu.au Adrian Yau banders@netcom.com Paul B. Anders barrya@u.washington.edu Barry Campbell bashley@ktb.net bev ashley bbauer@netlane.com Blaine Bauer bdhaack@earthlink.net Brad Haack bennos@execpc.com Marty Weigel benso07@ibm.net Dave Benson Benso07@IBM.NET BGlick@doit.wisc.edu Byron Glick Bikerratx@aol.com Randy Musgrave blackley@stratford-festival.on.ca Craig Blackley bmatthws@bellatlantic.net William R. Matthews booda@datasync.com Martin H. Booda bortzw@cadvision.com Wade Bortz boulder@cvi.co.uk Dave Middleton BrentN@geocities.com Brent P. Newhall breynold@nmt.edu Betty Reynolds bryanc@sfu.ca Bryan Crawford bs1@dead-fish-in-pond.com Bruce Shaw bulgier@zipcon.net Mark Bulgier canape@aloha.net Robin Canape carrys@cs.com Mark Carry cary@seas.upenn.edu Cary McConlogue catacan@spirit.com.au John Meyer cboenigk@direct.ca Chris Boenigk charlieb@home.com charles beristain Chris.Standley@maths.nott.ac.uk Chris Standley chris.tucker3@virgin.net Chris Tucker chris@cbcboots.demon.co.uk Dr Chris Chapman chris@jobcenter.com Christopher McQueeney chriseb@nortel.ca Chris Ebenezer Christopher.John@crc.doc.ca Christopher John Chuck.Huston@csb.varian.com Chuck Huston cindy@shark.ywd.com Cindy Reed-Ballreich ckenny@juliet.ucs.indiana.edu Colin Kenny claude.rouleau@videotron.ca Claude Rouleau cma@NET2PHONE.COM Chaim Ackerman CONWAY@pjm.com Charles Conway cpayne@iprolink.ch Christopher Payne csmayh01@homer.louisville.edu chris mayhew cstone@math.unm.edu Chris Stone curtis_whalen+usenet@geocities.com Curtis [Jewell] Whalen d.galvin@zetnet.co.uk d.galvin@zetnet.co.uk DanG@tridium.com Dan Giorgis darren@cyberalink.com.au Darren Sanders DARYL_LOCKMAN@HP-ColSprings-om1.om.hp.com Daryl Lockman davew@globalserve.net David Willis david@ice-computer.demon.co.uk David Joice david@pottage.demon.co.uk david David_Ryan@adware.com David Ryan dblake@phy.ucsf.EDU David Blake dc@panix.com David W. Crawford ddchrist@direct.ca Dean Christie ddubuiss@fundp.ac.be Denis Dubuisson dgalb@unm.edu David Galbraith DHARRISN@mail.henryford.cc.mi.us Dan Harrison dhegar@planetkc.com David Tjiptogarsono dhoward1@san.rr.com Dave Howard dilickjm@cris.com John Dilick dillon.pyron@amd.com Dillon Pyron dix@scigen.co.uk Richard Hardy djstracher@bbn.com David Stracher dlehue@ticona.com Donald J. LeHue dlf@geo.ed.ac.uk Dave Fitch Dmckeon@swcp.com Denis McKeon dmgry@ix.netcom.com David M. Grey dome74@earthlink.net Steve Martin dona.mark@MCI2000.com Dona Wallace dougj@holly.colostate.edu Doug John dpharris@Alaska.NET Dennis P. Harris dps@cce.occe.ou.edu Steve Goddard drbutler@mindspring.com Donald Butler drn@ix.netcom.com David R. Neff drogers@spdc.ti.com Daty Rogers dtaylor@servtech.com Doug Taylor DTHouls@aol.com Dan Houlihan ecasari@interlandsrl.it CASARIN EDI ecole@netdoor.com Kendall Cole edwards@crl.com Gregory Edwards EJRandall@aol.com Eric Randall Ekkehard.Uthke@gmx.de Ekkehard Uthke eloysm@interbook.net ELOY SANCHO MEJIAS emrich@bigfoot.com David Emrich esmith@dreamscape.com Greg Smith estradal@austin.ibm.com Eric Stradal etroll@flash.net Eric O. Troldahl exuclem@exu.ericsson.se Carl Ekstrom finlayson@lvn.com Ross Finlayson fizgig@anarchy.engr.sgi.com Jeff Hane Francois.Pottier@inria.fr Francois Pottier fran_cooper@cableinet.co.uk Fran Cooper fwsund@iamerica.net Frederick W. Sunderman gabor@quickweb.com Gabor Egressy gander@best.com Geoffrey Anderson GBORJones@aol.com GBOR Jones GBWEEKS@gov.pe.ca Blair Weeks gcarlsen@deltanet.com Greg Carlsen gcolburn@mail.telis.org Gary Colburn gcrawfor@altair.csustan.edu George Crawford Gehoff5@aol.com Greg Hoff george.byrne@pss.boeing.com George Byrne gh@elbert.its.bldrdoc.gov Gregory R. Hand gin@zip.com.au eugene KOLARIC glarson@cs.uiowa.edu Glenn M. 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Wolf shawn_roberts@mmacmail.jccbi.gov Shawn Roberts shepler@austin.ibm.com Spencer Shepler shumaker@access.digex.net jeff shumaker simestd@ALASKA.NET Thomas D. Simes simon@darkmere.gen.nz Simon Lyall slavitch@loran.com Michael Slavitch slayton@wfg.com Stephen North Slayton soc@simple.plain.net Chris Scherrer spatton@pcisys.net Scott Patton spcdlphn62@earthlink.net Kathleen specter@escape.ca Rob Bye speters@enter.net Steven Peters sshakin@capecod.net Steven Shakin stamper@stamper.com Chris Stamper STANLEY.R.SCHWEITZER-JR@usa.dupont.com Stanley R. 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O'Neal wblock@rapidnet.com Warren Block wbrooks@viewlogic.com Walter Brooks weasel@cs.stanford.edu Peter Chang webmaster@tread.pair.com Chris Phillipo wilde@radiancegroup.com Nick Wilde wildian@hpe.infi.net Ian Joyce williamd@bose.com David Williams wiz@verinet.com Michael Craig woody2u@ix.netcom.comNS Mark Woodhead wrkime@west.net William Kime WSAWYER@us.oracle.com Bill Sawyer wurst@engr.uconn.edu Karl R. Wurst wwfiv@ix.netcom.com William W. Farley IV wyokid@teleport.com Christopher Johannsen yooper951@aol.com Steve Apostal zing@goldinc.com Robert A. Zingarelli Voted No ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ alan@welsh-cob.compulink.co.uk Alan Chapman alex@unicorn.us.com Alex Matulich carrolw@ttc.com-no-spam William R. Carroll cdt@Op.Net Chris Trumbore d@idiom.com d demicco@value.net Mike DeMicco dougob@javanet.com Doug O'Brien hajo@Zierke.com Hans-Joachim Zierke hfung@lerami.lerctr.org Henry Fung jasmine@fl.net.au Jasmine Taylor jimrtex@pipeline.com Jim Riley kimdv@best.com Kim DeVaughn knott@sfu.ca David Knott matt@mec.edu Matt Bancroft michael@unicorn-connection.co.uk Michael Parry mikesea2@gte.net Mike Christy mjvande@pacbell.net Mike Vandeman olav@viking.mv.com Olav Nieuwejaar patl@cag.lcs.mit.edu Patrick J. LoPresti red@rahul.net Censorship Control Incorporated rick@bcm.tmc.edu Richard Miller stainles@bga.com Dwight Brown steiners@primenet.com Jason Steiner telemark@jcave.com Roland Behunin tony_raven@dial.pipex.com Tony Raven totototo+newsgroups@mail.pacificcoast.net Rodger Whitlock Abstained ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ chris@kzim.com Christopher Robin Zimmerman jmgreen@ix.netcom.com Jeff Green mjosilva@mail.telepac.pt Manuel Silva Votes in error ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dennis Villasana ! No address squint@interaccess.com Eric Lin ! Provided edited ballot System@RescoProd.com John Green ! Invalid address