From BBlackmoor@sff.net Wed Feb 16 06:26:41 2000 Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back From: Brandon Blackmoor Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.games.frp.misc Subject: RFD: rec.games.frp.moderated moderated Followup-To: news.groups Message-ID: <950710596.22095@isc.org> Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org Archive-Name: rec.games.frp.moderated Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 14:16:36 GMT Lines: 257 Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:11351 news.groups:344175 rec.games.frp.misc:245501 REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD) moderated group rec.games.frp.moderated This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the creation of a moderated group in the rec.games.frp.* hierarchy. This is not a Call for Votes (CFV); you cannot vote at this time. Procedural details are below. Newsgroup line: rec.games.frp.moderated Role-playing game discussion. (Moderated) RATIONALE: rec.games.frp.moderated For the calendar year 1999, the traffic in rec.games.frp.misc averaged 145 articles posted per day (data courtesy of deja.com). Jan 1999 4369 Feb 1999 4498 Mar 1999 5016 Apr 1999 6209 May 1999 4821 Jun 1999 3955 Jul 1999 2488 Aug 1999 4338 Sep 1999 5074 Oct 1999 5670 Nov 1999 3764 Dec 1999 2866 Total/yr.: 53068 Average/mo.: 4422 Average/day: 145 Of this number, less than 35% bear any relevance to the discussion of role-playing and role-playing games as outlined in the Charter. This estimate is based on threads posted to rec.games.frp.misc during the first two weeks of January, 2000: Threads to which articles were posted to rec.games.frp.misc between 1.Jan.2000 to 13.Jan.2000, inclusive: 115 On-topic threads: 88 Off-topic threads: 27 On-topic articles: 1118 Off-topic articles: 2039 % of off-topic articles: 65% The rest consist primarily of arguments about highly contentious but entirely off-topic subjects, ranging from religion and atheism to economic theory, combined with a generous helping of personal attacks, often in the form of an entire series of recursively quoted articles with a single-word profanity or insult attached. These diversions often derail previously on-topic threads. This is not a recent phenomenon; a sample from any month in the last few years reveals the same pattern. The result is that rec.games.frp.misc is rendered unreadable to numerous people who would like to use it for its chartered purpose. To help those who would prefer a higher signal-to-noise ratio, we propose rec.games.frp.moderated. Our proposal is not an attempt to moderate or replace rec.games.frp.misc. The rec.games.frp.moderated newsgroup will offer an alternative for those whose only current option is to leave. CHARTER: rec.games.frp.moderated rec.games.frp.moderated is a moderated newsgroup for discussion of "tabletop" or "pen & paper" role-playing games (as opposed to first person computer adventure games, often called "roleplaying games", which are covered in the rec.games.computer hierarchy). This includes discussion of roleplay gaming in general and the discussion of those specific role-playing games that do not have their own moderated newsgroup. Typical examples of appropriate topics: 1. Discussion of a recently released or revised tabletop role- playing game (e.g. Nobilis, Aberrant). 1. Discussion of a popular or obscure tabletop role-playing game (e.g. Star Wars, Tales From the Floating Vagabond). 3. Discussion of a specific role-playing setting or scenario (e.g. Forgotten Realms, the Complete Masks of Nyarlathotep). 4. Discussion of techniques used to enhance the role-playing experience (e.g. how to encourage cooperation among rivals, dealing with problematic players). Typical examples of inappropriate topics: 1. Discussion of so-called computer role-playing games (e.g. Torment, Baldur's Gate). 2. Discussion of real-world controversies (e.g. religion, economics, law), unless the discussion centers materially on their applicability to a role-playing game or setting. 3. Announcements of non-relevant Web pages or services. Typical examples of articles that may be rejected regardless of their topic: 1. Articles which aren't primarily text in a human-readable standard alphabet (e.g. large binaries, HTML). Appending a digital signature (e.g. a PGP signature) is acceptable, but posting encryption keys in their entirety is not. 2. Harassing or personally abusive articles (i.e. articles intended not to further the discussion, but merely to denigrate or vilify another person). 3. "Spam" (e.g. excessively cross-posted articles, articles posted as separate copies to many newsgroups, duplicate/rapidly reposted messages, chain letters). 4. Articles containing excessive quoted content, or significantly more quoted than new content. 5. Articles that don't comply with the relevant RFCs (e.g. articles with no subject, articles that contain security exploits). Topics pertaining exclusively to specific role-playing systems should be discussed in moderated newsgroups devoted to those specific systems, if such newsgroups exist. Discussions which merely include or expand to include specific game system are on-topic. Cultural meta-discussions are welcome on rec.games.frp.moderated as long as they are materially relevant to role-play gaming. Moderation policies: The newsgroup will be moderated by a moderation team consisting of three or more moderators (an odd number is preferred, but not required). One or more of the moderators will be tasked with the technical administration of the moderation software. The technical moderator(s) will inform the moderation team of any substantive changes to the moderation software. New or replacement moderators will be selected from among rec.games.frp.moderated volunteers at the discretion of the moderation team. The ideal attributes moderators should have are: 1. Patience. 2. A sense of humor. 3. Good manners. 4. Impartiality. 5. A love for role-playing, gaming, and creativity in general. 6. A reluctance to exclude users and/or topics. 7. The ability to operate the moderation software. Moderators may be removed by a 2/3 majority of the moderation team, or may resign of their own volition at any time. If a moderator wants to retire from the moderation team, they should make a public statement at least one month prior to retirement so that a replacement moderator might be found. A list of trusted users whose articles no longer require human moderation may be implemented by the moderation team, for those users who have demonstrated consistent adherence to the Charter. If a trusted user later attempts to post articles that do not adhere to the Charter, they may be removed from the trusted list. Specific users and/or article topics may be flagged for moderator attention if deemed necessary by the moderation team. Continued egregious Charter violations may result in an exclusion list of users and/or article topics being implemented by the moderation team. The purpose of a trusted list and an exclusion list, if such are implemented, will not be to penalize or reward any individual. If they are implemented, their purpose will be to keep moderation and the effort it requires as minimal as possible while preserving a useful environment. The moderators may append footnotes to posted articles, and may modify article headers as required by the relevant RFCs and the Charter. Other than appending a footer or modifying headers, the moderators will not modify the content of a posted article. Unapproved or accidently approved articles may be cancelled at the discretion of the moderation team. Subscribers to rec.games.frp.moderated can appeal the rejection of the articles they submit by sending e-mail to the moderation team. The appeal must clearly explain why the author deems the moderation team decision to reject her article to be in disagreement with the Charter. The same e-mail address is to be used for questions and complaints regarding the moderation policy. Further details will be available in the Administrative Statement. The current moderation procedures and policies will be described in an Administrative Statement (AdminFAQ), which will be maintained by the moderation team. The Charter and AdminFAQ will each be posted to the group whenever it changes, and at least once per month. Additionally, first-time posters may be e-mailed a copy of the newsgroup FAQ. END CHARTER. MODERATOR INFO: rec.games.frp.moderated Moderator: Tim Skirvin News Administrator for the Center for Reliable and High-Performance Computing, role-player. Moderator: Frank J. Perricone Computer programmer and currently head of MIS for the State of Vermont Department of Liquor Control, role-player. Moderator: Mark Hughes Freelance Java game programmer, role-player. Moderator: David Crowe Anime afficionado, role-player. Moderator: Brandon Blackmoor Web designer, role-player. END MODERATOR INFO. PROCEDURE: This is a request for discussion, not a call for votes. In this phase of the process, any potential problems with the proposed newsgroups should be raised and resolved. The discussion period will continue for a minimum of 21 days (starting from when the first RFD for this proposal is posted to news.announce.newgroups), after which a Call For Votes (CFV) will be posted by a neutral vote taker. Please do not attempt to vote until this happens. All discussion of this proposal should be posted to news.groups. This RFD attempts to comply fully with the Usenet newsgroup creation guidelines outlined in "How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup" and "How to Format and Submit a New Group Proposal". Please refer to these documents (available in news.announce.newgroups) if you have any questions about the process. DISTRIBUTION: This RFD has been posted to the following newsgroup(s): news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, rec.games.frp.announce, rec.games.frp.misc and the following mailing list(s): rgfm@onelist.com (r.g.f.moderated exploratory committee) Subcribe via: rgfm-subscribe@onelist.com Proponent: Mark Arsenault Proponent: Bruce Baugh Proponent: Brandon Blackmoor Proponent: David "No Nickname" Crowe Proponent: Chris Halliday Proponent: Mark Hughes Proponent: Frank J. Perricone Proponent: Siobhan Perricone Proponent: Tim Skirvin Proponent: Alexander Williams From BBlackmoor@sff.net Mon Feb 21 19:41:11 2000 Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back From: Brandon Blackmoor Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.games.frp.misc Subject: 2nd RFD: rec.games.frp.moderated moderated Followup-To: news.groups Message-ID: <951191015.3833@isc.org> Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org Archive-Name: rec.games.frp.moderated Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 03:43:35 GMT Lines: 286 Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:11359 news.groups:345182 rec.games.frp.misc:246218 REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD) moderated group rec.games.frp.moderated This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the creation of a moderated group in the rec.games.frp.* hierarchy. This is not a Call for Votes (CFV); you cannot vote at this time. Procedural details are below. Newsgroup line: rec.games.frp.moderated Role-playing game discussion. (Moderated) RATIONALE: rec.games.frp.moderated For the calendar year 1999, the traffic in rec.games.frp.misc averaged 145 articles posted per day (data courtesy of deja.com). Jan 1999 4369 Feb 1999 4498 Mar 1999 5016 Apr 1999 6209 May 1999 4821 Jun 1999 3955 Jul 1999 2488 Aug 1999 4338 Sep 1999 5074 Oct 1999 5670 Nov 1999 3764 Dec 1999 2866 Total/yr.: 53068 Average/mo.: 4422 Average/day: 145 Of this number, less than 35% bear any relevance to the discussion of role-playing and role-playing games as outlined in the Charter. This estimate is based on threads posted to rec.games.frp.misc during the first two weeks of January, 2000: Threads to which articles were posted to rec.games.frp.misc between 1.Jan.2000 to 13.Jan.2000, inclusive: 115 On-topic threads: 88 Off-topic threads: 27 On-topic articles: 1118 Off-topic articles: 2039 % of off-topic articles: 65% The rest consist primarily of arguments about highly contentious but entirely off-topic subjects, ranging from religion and atheism to economic theory, combined with a generous helping of personal attacks, often in the form of an entire series of recursively quoted articles with a single-word profanity or insult attached. These diversions often derail previously on-topic threads. This is not a recent phenomenon; a sample from any month in the last few years reveals the same pattern. The result is that rec.games.frp.misc is rendered unreadable to numerous people who would like to use it for its chartered purpose. To help those who would prefer a higher signal-to-noise ratio, we propose rec.games.frp.moderated. Our proposal is not an attempt to moderate or replace rec.games.frp.misc. The rec.games.frp.moderated newsgroup will offer an alternative for those whose only current option is to leave. CHARTER: rec.games.frp.moderated rec.games.frp.moderated is a moderated newsgroup for discussion of human-moderated "tabletop" or "pen & paper" role-playing games. "Computer role-playing games", which involve play against the software itself without a human moderator, are covered in the rec.games.computer hierarchy. The purpose of rec.games.frp.moderated includes discussion of role-play gaming in general and the discussion of those specific role-playing systems and topics that do not have their own newsgroup. Typical examples of appropriate topics: 1. Discussion of a recently released or revised tabletop role- playing game. 2. Discussion of a popular or obscure tabletop role-playing game (e.g. Star Wars, Tales From the Floating Vagabond). 3. Discussion of a specific role-playing setting or scenario (e.g. Forgotten Realms, the Complete Masks of Nyarlathotep). 4. Discussion of techniques used to enhance the role-playing experience (e.g. how to encourage cooperation among rivals, dealing with problematic players). Typical examples of inappropriate topics: 1. Discussion of computer adventure games where the interaction or conflict is not moderated by human beings, but by scripted activities or algorithms (e.g. Torment, Baldur's Gate). 2. Discussion of real-world controversies (e.g. religion, economics, law), unless the discussion centers materially on their applicability to a role-playing game or setting. 3. Announcements of non-relevant Web pages or services. Typical examples of articles that may be rejected regardless of their topic: 1. Articles which aren't primarily text in a human-readable standard alphabet (e.g. large binaries, HTML). Appending a digital signature (e.g. a PGP signature) is acceptable, but posting encryption keys in their entirety is not. 2. Harassing or personally abusive articles (i.e. articles intended not to further the discussion, but merely to denigrate or vilify another person). 3. "Spam" (e.g. excessively cross-posted articles, articles posted as separate copies to many newsgroups, duplicate/rapidly reposted messages, chain letters). 4. Articles containing excessive quoted content, or significantly more quoted than new content. 5. Articles that don't comply with the relevant RFCs (e.g. articles with no subject, articles that contain security exploits). "Spam- blockers" are a special case, and are addressed in the Administrative Statement. Topics pertaining exclusively to specific role-playing systems or topics should be discussed in newsgroups devoted to those specific systems or topics, if such newsgroups exist. Discussions which merely include or expand to include a specific game system or topic are on-topic in rec.games.frp.moderated. Cultural meta-discussions are welcome on rec.games.frp.moderated as long as they are materially relevant to role-play gaming. Moderation policies: The newsgroup will be moderated by a moderation team consisting of three or more moderators (an odd number is preferred, but not required). One or more of the moderators will be tasked with the technical administration of the moderation software. The technical moderator(s) will inform the moderation team of any substantive changes to the moderation software. The moderators have their own opinions on many aspects of gaming. They will participate in the newsgroup as individuals. They will not moderate their own posts, and when they speak as moderators they will clearly indicate so. They undertake to distinguish their personal views from what the charter and moderation policy state, and to evaluate articles based on the latter rather than the former. New or replacement moderators will be selected from among rec.games.frp.moderated volunteers at the discretion of the moderation team. In addition to a familiarity with the general subject of the newsgroup, the ideal attributes moderators should have are: 1. Patience. 2. A sense of humor. 3. Good manners. 4. Impartiality. 5. A love for role-playing, gaming, and creativity in general. 6. A reluctance to exclude users and/or topics. 7. The ability to operate the moderation software. Moderators may be removed by a 2/3 majority of the moderation team, or may resign of their own volition at any time. If a moderator wants to retire from the moderation team, they should make a public statement at least one month prior to retirement so that a replacement moderator might be found. A list of trusted users whose articles no longer require human moderation may be implemented by the moderation team, for those users who have demonstrated consistent adherence to the Charter. If a trusted user later attempts to post articles that do not adhere to the Charter, they may be removed from the trusted list. Specific users and/or article topics may be flagged for moderator attention if deemed necessary by the moderation team. Continued egregious Charter violations may result in an exclusion list of users and/or article topics being implemented by the moderation team. The purpose of a trusted list and an exclusion list, if such are implemented, will not be to penalize or reward any individual. If they are implemented, their purpose will be to keep moderation and the effort it requires as minimal as possible while preserving a useful environment. The moderators may append footnotes to posted articles, and may modify article headers as required by the relevant RFCs and the Charter. Other than appending a footer or modifying headers, the moderators will not modify the content of a posted article. Unapproved or accidently approved articles may be cancelled at the discretion of the moderation team. Subscribers to rec.games.frp.moderated can appeal the rejection of the articles they submit by sending e-mail to the moderation team. The appeal must clearly explain why the author deems the moderation team decision to reject the article to be in disagreement with the Charter. The same e-mail address is to be used for questions and complaints regarding the moderation policy. Further details will be available in the Administrative Statement. The current moderation procedures and policies will be described in an Administrative Statement (AdminFAQ), which will be maintained by the moderation team. The Charter and AdminFAQ will each be posted to the group whenever it changes, and at least once per month. Additionally, first-time posters may be e-mailed a copy of the newsgroup FAQ. END CHARTER. MODERATOR INFO: rec.games.frp.moderated Moderator: Bruce Baugh Founding moderator of comp.os.ms-windows.win95.moderated; role-player. Moderator: Brandon Blackmoor Web designer; role-player. Moderator: David Bolack Veteran Fidonet moderator; small press publisher. Moderator: Deird'Re M. Brooks RPG freelance author; Fading Suns, Trinity, and Aberrant Listowner; role-player. Moderator: David Crowe Anime afficionado; role-player. Moderator: James Kiley RPG freelance author; IT consultant; role-player. Moderator: Frank J. Perricone Computer programmer and currently head of MIS for the State of Vermont Department of Liquor Control; role-player. Moderator: Tim Skirvin News Administrator for the Center for Reliable and High-Performance Computing; role-player. END MODERATOR INFO. PROCEDURE: This is a request for discussion, not a call for votes. In this phase of the process, any potential problems with the proposed newsgroups should be raised and resolved. The discussion period will continue for a minimum of 21 days (starting from when the first RFD for this proposal is posted to news.announce.newgroups), after which a Call For Votes (CFV) will be posted by a neutral vote taker. Please do not attempt to vote until this happens. All discussion of this proposal should be posted to news.groups. This RFD attempts to comply fully with the Usenet newsgroup creation guidelines outlined in "How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup" and "How to Format and Submit a New Group Proposal". Please refer to these documents (available in news.announce.newgroups) if you have any questions about the process. DISTRIBUTION: This RFD has been posted to the following newsgroup(s): news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, rec.games.frp.announce, rec.games.frp.misc and the following mailing list(s): rgfm@onelist.com (r.g.f.moderated exploratory committee) Subcribe via: rgfm-subscribe@onelist.com Proponent: Mark Arsenault Proponent: Bruce Baugh Proponent: Brandon Blackmoor Proponent: David Bolack Proponent: Deird'Re M. Brooks Proponent: David Crowe Proponent: Chris Halliday Proponent: Mark Hughes Proponent: James Kiley Proponent: Frank J. Perricone Proponent: Siobhan Perricone Proponent: Tim Skirvin Proponent: Alexander Williams From BBlackmoor@sff.net Tue Mar 7 04:11:05 2000 Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back From: Brandon Blackmoor Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.games.frp.misc,rec.games.frp.announce Subject: 3rd RFD: rec.games.frp.moderated moderated Followup-To: news.groups Message-ID: <952431135.28290@isc.org> Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org Archive-Name: rec.games.frp.moderated Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 12:12:15 GMT Lines: 298 Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:11383 news.groups:346586 rec.games.frp.misc:247453 rec.games.frp.announce:6023 REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD) moderated group rec.games.frp.moderated This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the creation of a moderated group in the rec.games.frp.* hierarchy. This is not a Call for Votes (CFV); you cannot vote at this time. Procedural details are below. Newsgroup line: rec.games.frp.moderated Role-playing game discussion. (Moderated) CHANGES from previous RFD: This sentence in RFD 2.0: "The purpose of rec.games.frp.moderated includes discussion of role-play gaming in general and the discussion of those specific role-playing games that do not have their own moderated newsgroup." was replaced with this sentence in RFD 3.0: "The purpose of rec.games.frp.moderated includes discussion of role-play gaming in general and the discussion of those specific role-playing systems and topics that do not have their own newsgroup." RATIONALE: rec.games.frp.moderated For the calendar year 1999, the traffic in rec.games.frp.misc averaged 145 articles posted per day (data courtesy of deja.com). Jan 1999 4369 Feb 1999 4498 Mar 1999 5016 Apr 1999 6209 May 1999 4821 Jun 1999 3955 Jul 1999 2488 Aug 1999 4338 Sep 1999 5074 Oct 1999 5670 Nov 1999 3764 Dec 1999 2866 Total/yr.: 53068 Average/mo.: 4422 Average/day: 145 Of this number, less than 35% bear any relevance to the discussion of role-playing and role-playing games as outlined in the Charter. This estimate is based on threads posted to rec.games.frp.misc during the first two weeks of January, 2000: Threads to which articles were posted to rec.games.frp.misc between 1.Jan.2000 to 13.Jan.2000, inclusive: 115 On-topic threads: 88 Off-topic threads: 27 On-topic articles: 1118 Off-topic articles: 2039 % of off-topic articles: 65% The rest consist primarily of arguments about highly contentious but entirely off-topic subjects, ranging from religion and atheism to economic theory, combined with a generous helping of personal attacks, often in the form of an entire series of recursively quoted articles with a single-word profanity or insult attached. These diversions often derail previously on-topic threads. This is not a recent phenomenon; a sample from any month in the last few years reveals the same pattern. The result is that rec.games.frp.misc is rendered unreadable to numerous people who would like to use it for its chartered purpose. To help those who would prefer a higher signal-to-noise ratio, we propose rec.games.frp.moderated. Our proposal is not an attempt to moderate or replace rec.games.frp.misc. The rec.games.frp.moderated newsgroup will offer an alternative for those whose only current option is to leave. CHARTER: rec.games.frp.moderated rec.games.frp.moderated is a moderated newsgroup for discussion of human-moderated "tabletop" or "pen & paper" role-playing games. "Computer role-playing games", which involve play against the software itself without a human moderator, are covered in the rec.games.computer hierarchy. The purpose of rec.games.frp.moderated includes discussion of role-play gaming in general and the discussion of those specific role-playing systems and topics that do not have their own newsgroup. Typical examples of appropriate topics: 1. Discussion of a recently released or revised tabletop role- playing game. 2. Discussion of a popular or obscure tabletop role-playing game (e.g. Star Wars, Tales From the Floating Vagabond). 3. Discussion of a specific role-playing setting or scenario (e.g. Forgotten Realms, the Complete Masks of Nyarlathotep). 4. Discussion of techniques used to enhance the role-playing experience (e.g. how to encourage cooperation among rivals, dealing with problematic players). Typical examples of inappropriate topics: 1. Discussion of computer adventure games where the interaction or conflict is not moderated by human beings, but by scripted activities or algorithms (e.g. Torment, Baldur's Gate). 2. Discussion of real-world controversies (e.g. religion, economics, law), unless the discussion centers materially on their applicability to a role-playing game or setting. 3. Announcements of non-relevant Web pages or services. Typical examples of articles that may be rejected regardless of their topic: 1. Articles which aren't primarily text in a human-readable standard alphabet (e.g. large binaries, HTML). Appending a digital signature (e.g. a PGP signature) is acceptable, but posting encryption keys in their entirety is not. 2. Harassing or personally abusive articles (i.e. articles intended not to further the discussion, but merely to denigrate or vilify another person). 3. "Spam" (e.g. excessively cross-posted articles, articles posted as separate copies to many newsgroups, duplicate/rapidly reposted messages, chain letters). 4. Articles containing excessive quoted content, or significantly more quoted than new content. 5. Articles that don't comply with the relevant RFCs (e.g. articles with no subject, articles that contain security exploits). "Spam- blockers" are a special case, and are addressed in the Administrative Statement. Topics pertaining exclusively to specific role-playing systems or topics should be discussed in newsgroups devoted to those specific systems or topics, if such newsgroups exist. Discussions which merely include or expand to include a specific game system or topic are on-topic in rec.games.frp.moderated. Cultural meta-discussions are welcome on rec.games.frp.moderated as long as they are materially relevant to role-play gaming. Moderation policies: The newsgroup will be moderated by a moderation team consisting of three or more moderators (an odd number is preferred, but not required). One or more of the moderators will be tasked with the technical administration of the moderation software. The technical moderator(s) will inform the moderation team of any substantive changes to the moderation software. The moderators have their own opinions on many aspects of gaming. They will participate in the newsgroup as individuals. They will not moderate their own posts, and when they speak as moderators they will clearly indicate so. They undertake to distinguish their personal views from what the charter and moderation policy state, and to evaluate articles based on the latter rather than the former. New or replacement moderators will be selected from among rec.games.frp.moderated volunteers at the discretion of the moderation team. In addition to a familiarity with the general subject of the newsgroup, the ideal attributes moderators should have are: 1. Patience. 2. A sense of humor. 3. Good manners. 4. Impartiality. 5. A love for role-playing, gaming, and creativity in general. 6. A reluctance to exclude users and/or topics. 7. The ability to operate the moderation software. Moderators may be removed by a 2/3 majority of the moderation team, or may resign of their own volition at any time. If a moderator wants to retire from the moderation team, they should make a public statement at least one month prior to retirement so that a replacement moderator might be found. A list of trusted users whose articles no longer require human moderation may be implemented by the moderation team, for those users who have demonstrated consistent adherence to the Charter. If a trusted user later attempts to post articles that do not adhere to the Charter, they may be removed from the trusted list. Specific users and/or article topics may be flagged for moderator attention if deemed necessary by the moderation team. Continued egregious Charter violations may result in an exclusion list of users and/or article topics being implemented by the moderation team. The purpose of a trusted list and an exclusion list, if such are implemented, will not be to penalize or reward any individual. If they are implemented, their purpose will be to keep moderation and the effort it requires as minimal as possible while preserving a useful environment. The moderators may append footnotes to posted articles, and may modify article headers as required by the relevant RFCs and the Charter. Other than appending a footer or modifying headers, the moderators will not modify the content of a posted article. Unapproved or accidently approved articles may be cancelled at the discretion of the moderation team. Subscribers to rec.games.frp.moderated can appeal the rejection of the articles they submit by sending e-mail to the moderation team. The appeal must clearly explain why the author deems the moderation team decision to reject the article to be in disagreement with the Charter. The same e-mail address is to be used for questions and complaints regarding the moderation policy. Further details will be available in the Administrative Statement. The current moderation procedures and policies will be described in an Administrative Statement (AdminFAQ), which will be maintained by the moderation team. The Charter and AdminFAQ will each be posted to the group whenever it changes, and at least once per month. Additionally, first-time posters may be e-mailed a copy of the newsgroup FAQ. END CHARTER. MODERATOR INFO: rec.games.frp.moderated Moderator: Bruce Baugh Founding moderator of comp.os.ms-windows.win95.moderated; role-player. Moderator: Brandon Blackmoor Web designer; role-player. Moderator: David Bolack Veteran Fidonet moderator; small press publisher. Moderator: Deird'Re M. Brooks RPG freelance author; Fading Suns, Trinity, and Aberrant Listowner; role-player. Moderator: David Crowe Anime afficionado; role-player. Moderator: James Kiley RPG freelance author; IT consultant; role-player. Moderator: Frank J. Perricone Computer programmer and currently head of MIS for the State of Vermont Department of Liquor Control; role-player. Moderator: Tim Skirvin News Administrator for the Center for Reliable and High-Performance Computing; role-player. END MODERATOR INFO. PROCEDURE: This is a request for discussion, not a call for votes. In this phase of the process, any potential problems with the proposed newsgroups should be raised and resolved. The discussion period will continue for a minimum of 21 days (starting from when the first RFD for this proposal is posted to news.announce.newgroups), after which a Call For Votes (CFV) will be posted by a neutral vote taker. Please do not attempt to vote until this happens. All discussion of this proposal should be posted to news.groups. This RFD attempts to comply fully with the Usenet newsgroup creation guidelines outlined in "How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup" and "How to Format and Submit a New Group Proposal". Please refer to these documents (available in news.announce.newgroups) if you have any questions about the process. DISTRIBUTION: This RFD has been posted to the following newsgroup(s): news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, rec.games.frp.announce, rec.games.frp.misc and the following mailing list(s): rgfm@onelist.com (r.g.f.moderated exploratory committee) Subcribe via: rgfm-subscribe@onelist.com Proponent: Mark Arsenault Proponent: Bruce Baugh Proponent: Brandon Blackmoor Proponent: David Bolack Proponent: Deird'Re M. Brooks Proponent: David Crowe Proponent: Chris Halliday Proponent: Mark Hughes Proponent: James Kiley Proponent: Frank J. Perricone Proponent: Siobhan Perricone Proponent: Tim Skirvin Proponent: Alexander Williams From neilc@wallaby.cc Tue Apr 4 02:25:49 2000 Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back From: Neil Crellin Reply-To: voting@uvv.wallaby.cc Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.games.frp.misc,rec.games.frp.announce Subject: CFV: rec.games.frp.moderated moderated Followup-To: poster Message-ID: <954839799.24192@isc.org> References: <950710596.22095@isc.org> <951191015.3833@isc.org> <952431135.28290@isc.org> Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org Expires: 26 Apr 2000 00:00:00 GMT Archive-Name: rec.games.frp.moderated Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 09:16:39 GMT Lines: 347 Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:11427 news.groups:353048 rec.games.frp.misc:251467 rec.games.frp.announce:6088 FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2) moderated group rec.games.frp.moderated This CFV is to be distributed only by the votetaker. It is not to be posted to newsgroups, or mailed to mailing lists or individuals, except by the votetaker. Ballots or CFVs provided by anyone else will be invalid. Newsgroups line: rec.games.frp.moderated Role-playing game discussion. (Moderated) Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 25 Apr 2000. This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. Questions about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent. Proponent: Mark Arsenault Proponent: Bruce Baugh Proponent: Brandon Blackmoor Proponent: David Bolack Proponent: Deird'Re M. Brooks Proponent: David Crowe Proponent: Chris Halliday Proponent: Mark Hughes Proponent: James Kiley Proponent: Tim Skirvin Proponent: Alexander Williams Votetaker: Neil Crellin RATIONALE: rec.games.frp.moderated For the calendar year 1999, the traffic in rec.games.frp.misc averaged 145 articles posted per day (data courtesy of deja.com). Jan 1999 4369 Feb 1999 4498 Mar 1999 5016 Apr 1999 6209 May 1999 4821 Jun 1999 3955 Jul 1999 2488 Aug 1999 4338 Sep 1999 5074 Oct 1999 5670 Nov 1999 3764 Dec 1999 2866 Total/yr.: 53068 Average/mo.: 4422 Average/day: 145 Of this number, less than 35% bear any relevance to the discussion of role-playing and role-playing games as outlined in the Charter. This estimate is based on threads posted to rec.games.frp.misc during the first two weeks of January, 2000: Threads to which articles were posted to rec.games.frp.misc between 1.Jan.2000 to 13.Jan.2000, inclusive: 115 On-topic threads: 88 Off-topic threads: 27 On-topic articles: 1118 Off-topic articles: 2039 % of off-topic articles: 65% The rest consist primarily of arguments about highly contentious but entirely off-topic subjects, ranging from religion and atheism to economic theory, combined with a generous helping of personal attacks, often in the form of an entire series of recursively quoted articles with a single-word profanity or insult attached. These diversions often derail previously on-topic threads. This is not a recent phenomenon; a sample from any month in the last few years reveals the same pattern. The result is that rec.games.frp.misc is rendered unreadable to numerous people who would like to use it for its chartered purpose. To help those who would prefer a higher signal-to-noise ratio, we propose rec.games.frp.moderated. Our proposal is not an attempt to moderate or replace rec.games.frp.misc. The rec.games.frp.moderated newsgroup will offer an alternative for those whose only current option is to leave. CHARTER: rec.games.frp.moderated rec.games.frp.moderated is a moderated newsgroup for discussion of human-moderated "tabletop" or "pen & paper" role-playing games. "Computer role-playing games", which involve play against the software itself without a human moderator, are covered in the rec.games.computer hierarchy. The purpose of rec.games.frp.moderated includes discussion of role-play gaming in general and the discussion of those specific role-playing systems and topics that do not have their own newsgroup. Typical examples of appropriate topics: 1. Discussion of a recently released or revised tabletop role- playing game. 2. Discussion of a popular or obscure tabletop role-playing game (e.g. Star Wars, Tales From the Floating Vagabond). 3. Discussion of a specific role-playing setting or scenario (e.g. Forgotten Realms, the Complete Masks of Nyarlathotep). 4. Discussion of techniques used to enhance the role-playing experience (e.g. how to encourage cooperation among rivals, dealing with problematic players). Typical examples of inappropriate topics: 1. Discussion of computer adventure games where the interaction or conflict is not moderated by human beings, but by scripted activities or algorithms (e.g. Torment, Baldur's Gate). 2. Discussion of real-world controversies (e.g. religion, economics, law), unless the discussion centers materially on their applicability to a role-playing game or setting. 3. Announcements of non-relevant Web pages or services. Typical examples of articles that may be rejected regardless of their topic: 1. Articles which aren't primarily text in a human-readable standard alphabet (e.g. large binaries, HTML). Appending a digital signature (e.g. a PGP signature) is acceptable, but posting encryption keys in their entirety is not. 2. Harassing or personally abusive articles (i.e. articles intended not to further the discussion, but merely to denigrate or vilify another person). 3. "Spam" (e.g. excessively cross-posted articles, articles posted as separate copies to many newsgroups, duplicate/rapidly reposted messages, chain letters). 4. Articles containing excessive quoted content, or significantly more quoted than new content. 5. Articles that don't comply with the relevant RFCs (e.g. articles with no subject, articles that contain security exploits). "Spam- blockers" are a special case, and are addressed in the Administrative Statement. Topics pertaining exclusively to specific role-playing systems or topics should be discussed in newsgroups devoted to those specific systems or topics, if such newsgroups exist. Discussions which merely include or expand to include a specific game system or topic are on-topic in rec.games.frp.moderated. Cultural meta-discussions are welcome on rec.games.frp.moderated as long as they are materially relevant to role-play gaming. Moderation policies: The newsgroup will be moderated by a moderation team consisting of three or more moderators (an odd number is preferred, but not required). One or more of the moderators will be tasked with the technical administration of the moderation software. The technical moderator(s) will inform the moderation team of any substantive changes to the moderation software. The moderators have their own opinions on many aspects of gaming. They will participate in the newsgroup as individuals. They will not moderate their own posts, and when they speak as moderators they will clearly indicate so. They undertake to distinguish their personal views from what the charter and moderation policy state, and to evaluate articles based on the latter rather than the former. New or replacement moderators will be selected from among rec.games.frp.moderated volunteers at the discretion of the moderation team. In addition to a familiarity with the general subject of the newsgroup, the ideal attributes moderators should have are: 1. Patience. 2. A sense of humor. 3. Good manners. 4. Impartiality. 5. A love for role-playing, gaming, and creativity in general. 6. A reluctance to exclude users and/or topics. 7. The ability to operate the moderation software. Moderators may be removed by a 2/3 majority of the moderation team, or may resign of their own volition at any time. If a moderator wants to retire from the moderation team, they should make a public statement at least one month prior to retirement so that a replacement moderator might be found. A list of trusted users whose articles no longer require human moderation may be implemented by the moderation team, for those users who have demonstrated consistent adherence to the Charter. If a trusted user later attempts to post articles that do not adhere to the Charter, they may be removed from the trusted list. Specific users and/or article topics may be flagged for moderator attention if deemed necessary by the moderation team. Continued egregious Charter violations may result in an exclusion list of users and/or article topics being implemented by the moderation team. The purpose of a trusted list and an exclusion list, if such are implemented, will not be to penalize or reward any individual. If they are implemented, their purpose will be to keep moderation and the effort it requires as minimal as possible while preserving a useful environment. The moderators may append footnotes to posted articles, and may modify article headers as required by the relevant RFCs and the Charter. Other than appending a footer or modifying headers, the moderators will not modify the content of a posted article. Unapproved or accidently approved articles may be cancelled at the discretion of the moderation team. Subscribers to rec.games.frp.moderated can appeal the rejection of the articles they submit by sending e-mail to the moderation team. The appeal must clearly explain why the author deems the moderation team decision to reject the article to be in disagreement with the Charter. The same e-mail address is to be used for questions and complaints regarding the moderation policy. Further details will be available in the Administrative Statement. The current moderation procedures and policies will be described in an Administrative Statement (AdminFAQ), which will be maintained by the moderation team. The Charter and AdminFAQ will each be posted to the group whenever it changes, and at least once per month. Additionally, first-time posters may be e-mailed a copy of the newsgroup FAQ. END CHARTER. MODERATOR INFO: rec.games.frp.moderated Moderator: Bruce Baugh Moderator: Brandon Blackmoor Moderator: David Bolack Moderator: "Deird'Re M. Brooks" Moderator: David Crowe Moderator: James Kiley Moderator: Tim Skirvin Administrative contact address: rgfm+req@killfile.org Article submission address: rgfm+sub@killfile.org END MODERATOR INFO. IMPORTANT VOTING PROCEDURE NOTES: READ THIS BEFORE VOTING The purpose of a Usenet vote is to determine the genuine interest in reading the proposed newsgroup, and soliciting votes from uninterested parties defeats this purpose. Do *not* distribute this CFV; instead, direct people to the official CFV as posted to news.announce.newgroups. Distributing specific voting instructions or pre-marked copies of this CFV is considered vote fraud. This is a public vote: All email addresses, names and votes will be listed in the final RESULT post. The name used may be either a real name or an established Usenet handle. At most one vote is allowed per person or per account. Duplicate votes will be resolved in favor of the most recent valid vote. Voters must mail their ballots directly to the votetaker. Anonymous, forwarded, or proxy votes are not valid, nor are votes mailed from WWW/HTML/CGI forms (which should not exist). Votes from nonexistent accounts are also invalid, and the votetaker will reject any "munged" address he cannot decipher immediately. Please direct any questions to the votetaker at HOW TO VOTE: Extract the ballot from the CFV by deleting everything before and after the "BEGINNING OF BALLOT" and "END OF BALLOT" lines. Don't worry about the spacing of the columns or any quote characters (">") that your reply inserts. Please, DO NOT send the entire CFV back to me! Fill in the ballot as shown below. Please provide your REAL NAME and indicate your desired vote in the appropriate locations inside the ballot. Examples of how to properly indicate your vote: [ YES ] example.yes.vote [ NO ] example.no.vote [ ABSTAIN ] example.abstention [ CANCEL ] example.cancellation DO NOT modify, alter or delete any information in this ballot! If you do, the voting software will probably reject your ballot. When finished, MAIL the ballot to: < voting@uvv.wallaby.cc > Just "replying" to this message should work, but check the "To:" line. If you do not receive an acknowledgment of your vote within three days contact the votetaker about the problem. You are responsible for reading your ack and making sure your vote is registered correctly. If these instructions are unclear, please consult the Introduction to Usenet Voting or the Usenet Voting FAQ at http://www.stanford.edu/~neilc/uvv. ======== BEGINNING OF BALLOT: Delete everything before this line ======= .----------------------------------------------------------------------- | 1ST CALL FOR VOTES: rec.games.frp.moderated | Official Usenet Voting Ballot (Do not remove this line!) |----------------------------------------------------------------------- | Please provide your real name, or your vote may be rejected. Place | ONLY your name (ie. do NOT include your e-mail address or any other | information; ONLY your name) after the colon on the following line: Voter name: | Insert YES, NO, ABSTAIN, or CANCEL inside the brackets for each | newsgroup listed below (do not delete the newsgroup name): Your Vote Newsgroup --------- ----------------------------------------------------------- [ ] rec.games.frp.moderated (moderated) ======== END OF BALLOT: Delete everything after this line ============== POINTERS Proponents will post pointers to the following locations: Each of these also had pointers to the RFD. Newsgroups: news.groups rec.games.frp.advocacy rec.games.frp.announce (moderated) rec.games.frp.dnd rec.games.frp.gurps rec.games.frp.industry rec.games.frp.misc rec.games.frp.storyteller rec.games.frp.super-heroes Mailing lists (where one of the proponents moderates a mailing list, it has been noted): alarums@lists.accglobal.net bnw@gamerz.net deadlands@gamerz.net deadlands-ot@gamerz.net dredd@onelist.com Fading_Suns_Games@onelist.com (moderated by Deirdre Brooks, proponent) hoe@gamerz.net lc@gamerz.net polyhedra@onelist.com (mod by Brandon Blackmoor, proponent) rgfm@onelist.com (mod by Brandon Blackmoor, proponent) s-a-v-e@egroups.com timewar@onelist.com This CFV was created with uvpq 1.0 (Feb 6 1999). PQ datestamp: 980322 -- Voting address: voting@uvv.wallaby.cc From neilc@wallaby.cc Mon Apr 17 15:40:41 2000 Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back From: Neil Crellin Reply-To: voting@uvv.wallaby.cc Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.games.frp.announce,rec.games.frp.misc Subject: 2nd CFV: rec.games.frp.moderated moderated Followup-To: poster Message-ID: <956011255.22112@isc.org> References: <950710596.22095@isc.org> <951191015.3833@isc.org> <952431135.28290@isc.org> <954839799.24192@isc.org> Supersedes: <954839799.24192@isc.org> Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org Expires: 26 Apr 2000 00:00:00 GMT Archive-Name: rec.games.frp.moderated Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 22:40:55 GMT Lines: 358 Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:11441 news.groups:353996 rec.games.frp.announce:6111 rec.games.frp.misc:252814 LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2) moderated group rec.games.frp.moderated This CFV is to be distributed only by the votetaker. It is not to be posted to newsgroups, or mailed to mailing lists or individuals, except by the votetaker. Ballots or CFVs provided by anyone else will be invalid. Newsgroups line: rec.games.frp.moderated Role-playing game discussion. (Moderated) Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 25 Apr 2000. This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. Questions about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent. Proponent: Mark Arsenault Proponent: Bruce Baugh Proponent: Brandon Blackmoor Proponent: David Bolack Proponent: Deird'Re M. Brooks Proponent: David Crowe Proponent: Chris Halliday Proponent: Mark Hughes Proponent: James Kiley Proponent: Tim Skirvin Proponent: Alexander Williams Votetaker: Neil Crellin RATIONALE: rec.games.frp.moderated For the calendar year 1999, the traffic in rec.games.frp.misc averaged 145 articles posted per day (data courtesy of deja.com). Jan 1999 4369 Feb 1999 4498 Mar 1999 5016 Apr 1999 6209 May 1999 4821 Jun 1999 3955 Jul 1999 2488 Aug 1999 4338 Sep 1999 5074 Oct 1999 5670 Nov 1999 3764 Dec 1999 2866 Total/yr.: 53068 Average/mo.: 4422 Average/day: 145 Of this number, less than 35% bear any relevance to the discussion of role-playing and role-playing games as outlined in the Charter. This estimate is based on threads posted to rec.games.frp.misc during the first two weeks of January, 2000: Threads to which articles were posted to rec.games.frp.misc between 1.Jan.2000 to 13.Jan.2000, inclusive: 115 On-topic threads: 88 Off-topic threads: 27 On-topic articles: 1118 Off-topic articles: 2039 % of off-topic articles: 65% The rest consist primarily of arguments about highly contentious but entirely off-topic subjects, ranging from religion and atheism to economic theory, combined with a generous helping of personal attacks, often in the form of an entire series of recursively quoted articles with a single-word profanity or insult attached. These diversions often derail previously on-topic threads. This is not a recent phenomenon; a sample from any month in the last few years reveals the same pattern. The result is that rec.games.frp.misc is rendered unreadable to numerous people who would like to use it for its chartered purpose. To help those who would prefer a higher signal-to-noise ratio, we propose rec.games.frp.moderated. Our proposal is not an attempt to moderate or replace rec.games.frp.misc. The rec.games.frp.moderated newsgroup will offer an alternative for those whose only current option is to leave. CHARTER: rec.games.frp.moderated rec.games.frp.moderated is a moderated newsgroup for discussion of human-moderated "tabletop" or "pen & paper" role-playing games. "Computer role-playing games", which involve play against the software itself without a human moderator, are covered in the rec.games.computer hierarchy. The purpose of rec.games.frp.moderated includes discussion of role-play gaming in general and the discussion of those specific role-playing systems and topics that do not have their own newsgroup. Typical examples of appropriate topics: 1. Discussion of a recently released or revised tabletop role- playing game. 2. Discussion of a popular or obscure tabletop role-playing game (e.g. Star Wars, Tales From the Floating Vagabond). 3. Discussion of a specific role-playing setting or scenario (e.g. Forgotten Realms, the Complete Masks of Nyarlathotep). 4. Discussion of techniques used to enhance the role-playing experience (e.g. how to encourage cooperation among rivals, dealing with problematic players). Typical examples of inappropriate topics: 1. Discussion of computer adventure games where the interaction or conflict is not moderated by human beings, but by scripted activities or algorithms (e.g. Torment, Baldur's Gate). 2. Discussion of real-world controversies (e.g. religion, economics, law), unless the discussion centers materially on their applicability to a role-playing game or setting. 3. Announcements of non-relevant Web pages or services. Typical examples of articles that may be rejected regardless of their topic: 1. Articles which aren't primarily text in a human-readable standard alphabet (e.g. large binaries, HTML). Appending a digital signature (e.g. a PGP signature) is acceptable, but posting encryption keys in their entirety is not. 2. Harassing or personally abusive articles (i.e. articles intended not to further the discussion, but merely to denigrate or vilify another person). 3. "Spam" (e.g. excessively cross-posted articles, articles posted as separate copies to many newsgroups, duplicate/rapidly reposted messages, chain letters). 4. Articles containing excessive quoted content, or significantly more quoted than new content. 5. Articles that don't comply with the relevant RFCs (e.g. articles with no subject, articles that contain security exploits). "Spam- blockers" are a special case, and are addressed in the Administrative Statement. Topics pertaining exclusively to specific role-playing systems or topics should be discussed in newsgroups devoted to those specific systems or topics, if such newsgroups exist. Discussions which merely include or expand to include a specific game system or topic are on-topic in rec.games.frp.moderated. Cultural meta-discussions are welcome on rec.games.frp.moderated as long as they are materially relevant to role-play gaming. Moderation policies: The newsgroup will be moderated by a moderation team consisting of three or more moderators (an odd number is preferred, but not required). One or more of the moderators will be tasked with the technical administration of the moderation software. The technical moderator(s) will inform the moderation team of any substantive changes to the moderation software. The moderators have their own opinions on many aspects of gaming. They will participate in the newsgroup as individuals. They will not moderate their own posts, and when they speak as moderators they will clearly indicate so. They undertake to distinguish their personal views from what the charter and moderation policy state, and to evaluate articles based on the latter rather than the former. New or replacement moderators will be selected from among rec.games.frp.moderated volunteers at the discretion of the moderation team. In addition to a familiarity with the general subject of the newsgroup, the ideal attributes moderators should have are: 1. Patience. 2. A sense of humor. 3. Good manners. 4. Impartiality. 5. A love for role-playing, gaming, and creativity in general. 6. A reluctance to exclude users and/or topics. 7. The ability to operate the moderation software. Moderators may be removed by a 2/3 majority of the moderation team, or may resign of their own volition at any time. If a moderator wants to retire from the moderation team, they should make a public statement at least one month prior to retirement so that a replacement moderator might be found. A list of trusted users whose articles no longer require human moderation may be implemented by the moderation team, for those users who have demonstrated consistent adherence to the Charter. If a trusted user later attempts to post articles that do not adhere to the Charter, they may be removed from the trusted list. Specific users and/or article topics may be flagged for moderator attention if deemed necessary by the moderation team. Continued egregious Charter violations may result in an exclusion list of users and/or article topics being implemented by the moderation team. The purpose of a trusted list and an exclusion list, if such are implemented, will not be to penalize or reward any individual. If they are implemented, their purpose will be to keep moderation and the effort it requires as minimal as possible while preserving a useful environment. The moderators may append footnotes to posted articles, and may modify article headers as required by the relevant RFCs and the Charter. Other than appending a footer or modifying headers, the moderators will not modify the content of a posted article. Unapproved or accidently approved articles may be cancelled at the discretion of the moderation team. Subscribers to rec.games.frp.moderated can appeal the rejection of the articles they submit by sending e-mail to the moderation team. The appeal must clearly explain why the author deems the moderation team decision to reject the article to be in disagreement with the Charter. The same e-mail address is to be used for questions and complaints regarding the moderation policy. Further details will be available in the Administrative Statement. The current moderation procedures and policies will be described in an Administrative Statement (AdminFAQ), which will be maintained by the moderation team. The Charter and AdminFAQ will each be posted to the group whenever it changes, and at least once per month. Additionally, first-time posters may be e-mailed a copy of the newsgroup FAQ. END CHARTER. MODERATOR INFO: rec.games.frp.moderated Moderator: Bruce Baugh Moderator: Brandon Blackmoor Moderator: David Bolack Moderator: "Deird'Re M. Brooks" Moderator: David Crowe Moderator: James Kiley Moderator: Tim Skirvin Administrative contact address: rgfm+req@killfile.org Article submission address: rgfm+sub@killfile.org END MODERATOR INFO. IMPORTANT VOTING PROCEDURE NOTES: READ THIS BEFORE VOTING The purpose of a Usenet vote is to determine the genuine interest in reading the proposed newsgroup, and soliciting votes from uninterested parties defeats this purpose. Do *not* distribute this CFV; instead, direct people to the official CFV as posted to news.announce.newgroups. Distributing specific voting instructions or pre-marked copies of this CFV is considered vote fraud. This is a public vote: All email addresses, names and votes will be listed in the final RESULT post. The name used may be either a real name or an established Usenet handle. At most one vote is allowed per person or per account. Duplicate votes will be resolved in favor of the most recent valid vote. Voters must mail their ballots directly to the votetaker. Anonymous, forwarded, or proxy votes are not valid, nor are votes mailed from WWW/HTML/CGI forms (which should not exist). Votes from nonexistent accounts are also invalid, and the votetaker will reject any "munged" address he cannot decipher immediately. Please direct any questions to the votetaker at HOW TO VOTE: Extract the ballot from the CFV by deleting everything before and after the "BEGINNING OF BALLOT" and "END OF BALLOT" lines. Don't worry about the spacing of the columns or any quote characters (">") that your reply inserts. Please, DO NOT send the entire CFV back to me! Fill in the ballot as shown below. Please provide your REAL NAME and indicate your desired vote in the appropriate locations inside the ballot. Examples of how to properly indicate your vote: [ YES ] example.yes.vote [ NO ] example.no.vote [ ABSTAIN ] example.abstention [ CANCEL ] example.cancellation DO NOT modify, alter or delete any information in this ballot! If you do, the voting software will probably reject your ballot. When finished, MAIL the ballot to: < voting@uvv.wallaby.cc > Just "replying" to this message should work, but check the "To:" line. If you do not receive an acknowledgment of your vote within three days contact the votetaker about the problem. You are responsible for reading your ack and making sure your vote is registered correctly. If these instructions are unclear, please consult the Introduction to Usenet Voting or the Usenet Voting FAQ at http://www.stanford.edu/~neilc/uvv. ======== BEGINNING OF BALLOT: Delete everything before this line ======= .----------------------------------------------------------------------- | 2ND CALL FOR VOTES: rec.games.frp.moderated | Official Usenet Voting Ballot (Do not remove this line!) |----------------------------------------------------------------------- | Please provide your real name, or your vote may be rejected. Place | ONLY your name (ie. do NOT include your e-mail address or any other | information; ONLY your name) after the colon on the following line: Voter name: | Insert YES, NO, ABSTAIN, or CANCEL inside the brackets for each | newsgroup listed below (do not delete the newsgroup name): Your Vote Newsgroup --------- ----------------------------------------------------------- [ ] rec.games.frp.moderated (moderated) ======== END OF BALLOT: Delete everything after this line ============== POINTERS Proponents will post pointers to the following locations: Each of these also had pointers to the RFD. Newsgroups: news.groups rec.games.frp.advocacy rec.games.frp.announce (moderated) rec.games.frp.dnd rec.games.frp.gurps rec.games.frp.industry rec.games.frp.misc rec.games.frp.storyteller rec.games.frp.super-heroes Mailing lists (where one of the proponents moderates a mailing list, it has been noted): alarums@lists.accglobal.net bnw@gamerz.net deadlands@gamerz.net deadlands-ot@gamerz.net dredd@onelist.com Fading_Suns_Games@onelist.com (moderated by Deirdre Brooks, proponent) hoe@gamerz.net lc@gamerz.net polyhedra@onelist.com (mod by Brandon Blackmoor, proponent) rgfm@onelist.com (mod by Brandon Blackmoor, proponent) s-a-v-e@egroups.com timewar@onelist.com rec.games.frp.moderated Bounce List - Please contact me about your vote ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- edel@best.NOSPAM.com dganger@nortelnetworks.com root@utnapishtim.pacbell.net afs7@leicester.ac.uk denebeim@deepthot.org baby.digit@my.face jsn@ts002d06.per-md.concentric.net gentloser@remove.btinternet.com Dave Crowhurst This CFV was created with uvpq 1.0 (Feb 6 1999). PQ datestamp: 980322 -- Voting address: voting@uvv.wallaby.cc From neilc@wallaby.cc Thu Apr 27 23:55:39 2000 Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back From: Neil Crellin Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.games.frp.announce,rec.games.frp.misc Subject: RESULT: rec.games.frp.moderated moderated passes 205:71 Followup-To: news.groups Message-ID: <956904876.8033@isc.org> References: <950710596.22095@isc.org> <951191015.3833@isc.org> <952431135.28290@isc.org> <954839799.24192@isc.org> <956011255.22112@isc.org> Supersedes: <956011255.22112@isc.org> Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org Archive-Name: rec.games.frp.moderated Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 06:54:37 GMT Lines: 570 Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:11458 news.groups:354421 rec.games.frp.announce:6139 rec.games.frp.misc:253725 RESULT moderated group rec.games.frp.moderated passes 205:71 There were 205 YES votes and 71 NO votes, for a total of 276 valid votes. There were 11 abstentions and 9 invalid ballots. For a group to pass, YES votes must be at least 2/3 of all valid (YES and NO) votes. There must also be at least 100 more YES votes than NO votes. A five day discussion period follows this announcement. If no serious allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the moderator of news.announce.newgroups will create the group shortly thereafter. Newsgroups line: rec.games.frp.moderated Role-playing game discussion. (Moderated) The voting period closed at 23:59:59 UTC, 25 Apr 2000. This vote was conducted by a neutral third party. Questions about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent. Proponent: Mark Arsenault Proponent: Bruce Baugh Proponent: Brandon Blackmoor Proponent: David Bolack Proponent: Deird'Re M. Brooks Proponent: David Crowe Proponent: Chris Halliday Proponent: Mark Hughes Proponent: James Kiley Proponent: Tim Skirvin Proponent: Alexander Williams Votetaker: Neil Crellin RATIONALE: rec.games.frp.moderated For the calendar year 1999, the traffic in rec.games.frp.misc averaged 145 articles posted per day (data courtesy of deja.com). Jan 1999 4369 Feb 1999 4498 Mar 1999 5016 Apr 1999 6209 May 1999 4821 Jun 1999 3955 Jul 1999 2488 Aug 1999 4338 Sep 1999 5074 Oct 1999 5670 Nov 1999 3764 Dec 1999 2866 Total/yr.: 53068 Average/mo.: 4422 Average/day: 145 Of this number, less than 35% bear any relevance to the discussion of role-playing and role-playing games as outlined in the Charter. This estimate is based on threads posted to rec.games.frp.misc during the first two weeks of January, 2000: Threads to which articles were posted to rec.games.frp.misc between 1.Jan.2000 to 13.Jan.2000, inclusive: 115 On-topic threads: 88 Off-topic threads: 27 On-topic articles: 1118 Off-topic articles: 2039 % of off-topic articles: 65% The rest consist primarily of arguments about highly contentious but entirely off-topic subjects, ranging from religion and atheism to economic theory, combined with a generous helping of personal attacks, often in the form of an entire series of recursively quoted articles with a single-word profanity or insult attached. These diversions often derail previously on-topic threads. This is not a recent phenomenon; a sample from any month in the last few years reveals the same pattern. The result is that rec.games.frp.misc is rendered unreadable to numerous people who would like to use it for its chartered purpose. To help those who would prefer a higher signal-to-noise ratio, we propose rec.games.frp.moderated. Our proposal is not an attempt to moderate or replace rec.games.frp.misc. The rec.games.frp.moderated newsgroup will offer an alternative for those whose only current option is to leave. CHARTER: rec.games.frp.moderated rec.games.frp.moderated is a moderated newsgroup for discussion of human-moderated "tabletop" or "pen & paper" role-playing games. "Computer role-playing games", which involve play against the software itself without a human moderator, are covered in the rec.games.computer hierarchy. The purpose of rec.games.frp.moderated includes discussion of role-play gaming in general and the discussion of those specific role-playing systems and topics that do not have their own newsgroup. Typical examples of appropriate topics: 1. Discussion of a recently released or revised tabletop role- playing game. 2. Discussion of a popular or obscure tabletop role-playing game (e.g. Star Wars, Tales From the Floating Vagabond). 3. Discussion of a specific role-playing setting or scenario (e.g. Forgotten Realms, the Complete Masks of Nyarlathotep). 4. Discussion of techniques used to enhance the role-playing experience (e.g. how to encourage cooperation among rivals, dealing with problematic players). Typical examples of inappropriate topics: 1. Discussion of computer adventure games where the interaction or conflict is not moderated by human beings, but by scripted activities or algorithms (e.g. Torment, Baldur's Gate). 2. Discussion of real-world controversies (e.g. religion, economics, law), unless the discussion centers materially on their applicability to a role-playing game or setting. 3. Announcements of non-relevant Web pages or services. Typical examples of articles that may be rejected regardless of their topic: 1. Articles which aren't primarily text in a human-readable standard alphabet (e.g. large binaries, HTML). Appending a digital signature (e.g. a PGP signature) is acceptable, but posting encryption keys in their entirety is not. 2. Harassing or personally abusive articles (i.e. articles intended not to further the discussion, but merely to denigrate or vilify another person). 3. "Spam" (e.g. excessively cross-posted articles, articles posted as separate copies to many newsgroups, duplicate/rapidly reposted messages, chain letters). 4. Articles containing excessive quoted content, or significantly more quoted than new content. 5. Articles that don't comply with the relevant RFCs (e.g. articles with no subject, articles that contain security exploits). "Spam- blockers" are a special case, and are addressed in the Administrative Statement. Topics pertaining exclusively to specific role-playing systems or topics should be discussed in newsgroups devoted to those specific systems or topics, if such newsgroups exist. Discussions which merely include or expand to include a specific game system or topic are on-topic in rec.games.frp.moderated. Cultural meta-discussions are welcome on rec.games.frp.moderated as long as they are materially relevant to role-play gaming. Moderation policies: The newsgroup will be moderated by a moderation team consisting of three or more moderators (an odd number is preferred, but not required). One or more of the moderators will be tasked with the technical administration of the moderation software. The technical moderator(s) will inform the moderation team of any substantive changes to the moderation software. The moderators have their own opinions on many aspects of gaming. They will participate in the newsgroup as individuals. They will not moderate their own posts, and when they speak as moderators they will clearly indicate so. They undertake to distinguish their personal views from what the charter and moderation policy state, and to evaluate articles based on the latter rather than the former. New or replacement moderators will be selected from among rec.games.frp.moderated volunteers at the discretion of the moderation team. In addition to a familiarity with the general subject of the newsgroup, the ideal attributes moderators should have are: 1. Patience. 2. A sense of humor. 3. Good manners. 4. Impartiality. 5. A love for role-playing, gaming, and creativity in general. 6. A reluctance to exclude users and/or topics. 7. The ability to operate the moderation software. Moderators may be removed by a 2/3 majority of the moderation team, or may resign of their own volition at any time. If a moderator wants to retire from the moderation team, they should make a public statement at least one month prior to retirement so that a replacement moderator might be found. A list of trusted users whose articles no longer require human moderation may be implemented by the moderation team, for those users who have demonstrated consistent adherence to the Charter. If a trusted user later attempts to post articles that do not adhere to the Charter, they may be removed from the trusted list. Specific users and/or article topics may be flagged for moderator attention if deemed necessary by the moderation team. Continued egregious Charter violations may result in an exclusion list of users and/or article topics being implemented by the moderation team. The purpose of a trusted list and an exclusion list, if such are implemented, will not be to penalize or reward any individual. If they are implemented, their purpose will be to keep moderation and the effort it requires as minimal as possible while preserving a useful environment. The moderators may append footnotes to posted articles, and may modify article headers as required by the relevant RFCs and the Charter. Other than appending a footer or modifying headers, the moderators will not modify the content of a posted article. Unapproved or accidently approved articles may be cancelled at the discretion of the moderation team. Subscribers to rec.games.frp.moderated can appeal the rejection of the articles they submit by sending e-mail to the moderation team. The appeal must clearly explain why the author deems the moderation team decision to reject the article to be in disagreement with the Charter. The same e-mail address is to be used for questions and complaints regarding the moderation policy. Further details will be available in the Administrative Statement. The current moderation procedures and policies will be described in an Administrative Statement (AdminFAQ), which will be maintained by the moderation team. The Charter and AdminFAQ will each be posted to the group whenever it changes, and at least once per month. Additionally, first-time posters may be e-mailed a copy of the newsgroup FAQ. END CHARTER. MODERATOR INFO: rec.games.frp.moderated Moderator: Bruce Baugh Moderator: Brandon Blackmoor Moderator: David Bolack Moderator: "Deird'Re M. Brooks" Moderator: David Crowe Moderator: James Kiley Moderator: Tim Skirvin Administrative contact address: rgfm+req@killfile.org Article submission address: rgfm+sub@killfile.org END MODERATOR INFO. rec.games.frp.moderated Final Voter list NOTE: This is not [to be used as] a mailing list. The email addresses are posted only to help verify the interest poll. Thank you. Voted YES ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ pgrawe [at] tusc.com.au Grawe, Philipp pjkea1 [at] student.monash.edu.au Phil Keast toivo [at] ucs.uwa.edu.au Toivo Pedaste Janice.Wells [at] dsto.defence.gov.au Janice Wells cryan [at] plugged.net.au Chris Ryan hwcpeng [at] q-net.net.au Robert Wylie garyjohnson [at] uq.net.au Gary Johnson arcadia [at] luiz.claudio.nom.br Luiz Cláudio Duarte kburdett [at] compusmart.ab.ca Kevin M. Burdett doctor [at] doctor.nl2k.ab.ca Dave Yadallee cn236 [at] freenet.carleton.ca Scott Delahunt dalamb [at] cs.queensu.ca David Alex Lamb travis [at] SEDSystems.ca Shane H. W. Travis cgoodin [at] sfu.ca Chuk Goodin prwrean [at] sfu.ca Patricia Wrean ccamfield [at] sympatico.ca Chris Camfield CraigWyllie [at] sympatico.ca Craig Wyllie maliszew [at] sympatico.ca James Maliszewski ru [at] cls.usask.ca Ru Igarashi ahackard [at] UVic.CA Andrew Hackard sheila_davis [at] agilent.com Sheila Davis djt [at] alderac.com D. J. Trindle arcadiadm [at] aol.com ArcadiaDM Kamadaues [at] aol.com Lon Braidwood LJP1963 [at] aol.com Louis J. Prosperi ThomWilson [at] aol.com Thomas Wilson hermit [at] BayView.COM William R. Ward kimdv [at] best.com Kim DeVaughn a_blip [at] bigfoot.com P=E5l Are Nordal bdunphy [at] bigfoot.com Bryan Dunphy mbraddock [at] bigfoot.com Melissa Braddock stormwarden [at] bigfoot.com Robert Paul Braddock bdysart [at] network.boxmail.com Brian Dysart Nick_Brooke [at] btinternet.com Nick Brooke pdundas [at] btinternet.com Paul Dundas ecb [at] ComptekAmherst.com Eric Christian Berg 102250.1425 [at] compuserve.com SD Anderson PaulH [at] macbeth.computerbits.com Paul Harwood jcfiala [at] CSSLTD.com John C Fiala cafe [at] cyber-safari.com Deric Page jzeitlin [at] cyburban.com Jeff Zeitlin darious [at] darious.com Allan Seyberth tellessa [at] deathsdoor.com Troy Baker sbennie [at] dowco.com Scott Bennie aardy [at] enteract.com Aardy R. DeVarque katew [at] enteract.com Kate the Short julesd [at] erols.com Jules Dubois otherchris [at] erols.com Christopher P. Halliday sstaten [at] erols.com Scott Staten david [at] farrar.com David Farrar phloem [at] fumbling.com Mike Sugimoto ggainey [at] hiddenmind.com Grant Gainey kendall [at] his.com Kendall P. Bullen andy-m-young [at] home.com Andrew Young dilickjm [at] home.com John Dilick dpirko [at] home.com Doug Pirko mikereed28 [at] home.com Michael Reed adamj [at] shadowrun.html.com Adam Jury taustin [at] hyperbooks.com Terry Austin rwpikul [at] idirect.com Rick Pikul alberich [at] iglou.com Mark Allen Kinney richard_damon [at] iname.com Richard Damon nlauerman [at] interaccess.com Nicholas Lauerman agoodall [at] interlog.com Allan Goodall jeffj [at] io.com Jeff Johnston rboerger [at] io.com Ron Boerger tenzil [at] io.com James Kiley whytcrow [at] io.com Jennifer Brinn zephyn [at] io.com Keith E. Peyton chris [at] kzim.com Christopher Robin Zimmerman hartlage [at] lucent.com David hartlage marke [at] madbbs.com Mark Engle edmooring [at] mindspring.com Ed Mooring etho [at] mindspring.com Eric Thompson irishspy [at] mindspring.com Anthony Ragan rickyhunt [at] mindspring.com Ricky Hunt albertfabio [at] my-Deja.com Albert Fabio jason [at] myra.com Jason Langlois simpson [at] netcom.com Bob Simpson tlo [at] ocsnet.com Trevor L. Obermann DaveT [at] pixelplanet.com Dave Thomas nartsegg [at] pobox.com Jonathan Roberts spam-eater [at] pobox.com Karl Meyer hwoolsey [at] precisiongraphics.com Hank Woolsey benbrown [at] primenet.com Ben Brown jetman [at] primenet.com David Crowe david.weinstein [at] redstorm.com David Weinstein jhart [at] Ridgeway-Sys.com Jo Hart Rjuliano [at] cfl.rr.com Bob Juliano rich [at] rtgames.com Rich Shipley jake [at] sharonandjake.com Jake Baker schaduw [at] silcom.com Eric Tolle thompson [at] sirius.com Anthony Thompson rbaldwin [at] rio.STOPSPAM.com Robert Baldwin xenya [at] teleport.com Deirdre M. Brooks nsmith [at] micro.ti.com Neal Smith spots [at] tigrina.com Andrea L. Adams richard [at] tga.u-net.com Richard Gadsden pimentel [at] ultranet.com J Pimentel jagman [at] unforgettable.com Jonathan A. Gillett kelly_pedersen2 [at] yahoo.com Kelly Ross Pedersen sierra_tigris [at] yahoo.com Marc Lombart corwin [at] amber.kn-bremen.de Christian Schlittchen list-votes [at] dream.kn-bremen.de Martin Schr"oder abernert [at] mpipks-dresden.mpg.de Alexander Bernert torex [at] kholdan.snafu.de Tobias Erle clmeier [at] lili.uni-bielefeld.de Clemens Meier ralf [at] fb1.uni-siegen.de Ralf Schemmann jens [at] vdheide.de Jens Vonderheide bouvin [at] daimi.au.dk Niels Olof Bouvin peteralf [at] fabel.dk Peter Alfredsen peter [at] knutsen.dk Peter Knutsen ral [at] alumni.caltech.edu R LIghty dsr [at] mail.lns.cornell.edu Dan Riley eacole [at] amber.emporia.edu Elizabeth A Cole behrends [at] cse.msu.edu Reimer Behrends mcmahon [at] cs.niu.edu Kurt McMahon dhenry [at] plains.NoDak.edu David R. Henry watters.10 [at] osu.edu Coyt D. Watters rra [at] stanford.edu Russ Allbery rick [at] bcm.tmc.edu Richard H. Miller secabeen [at] midway.uchicago.edu Ted Cabeen prawn [at] UDel.Edu Preston Becker kamikaze [at] kuoi.asui.uidaho.edu Mark Hughes rbarrett [at] dept.english.upenn.edu Robert Barrett jeffford [at] cs.utexas.edu Jeff Ford ouroboros [at] mail.utexas.edu Richard Persky rrabke [at] mail.utexas.edu Raymond Rabke+ ejk4e [at] unix.mail.virginia.edu Edward Kilsdonk msulliva [at] wso.williams.edu Michael "aetherson" Sullivan rljohnson2 [at] students.wisc.edu Robert Johnson jivars [at] ra.abo.fi Jon Ivars kristian.liimatainen [at] helsinki.fi Lauri Liimatainen darkelf [at] cc.jyu.fi Heli Kinnunen aarola [at] unity.lnet.lut.fi Antti Arola lgardner [at] mail.student.oulu.fi Lauri Gardner myles [at] irls3101.ck.cit.alcatel.fr Myles Corcoran jfbaston [at] club-internet.fr Jean-Michel GOT ognopi [at] mail.dotcom.fr Frederic Merizen Charlie.CTR.Armstrong [at] tc.faa.gov Charlie Armstrong porter.clark [at] msfc.nasa.gov J. Porter Clark maxl [at] dsnet.it Massimiliano Lambertini doc [at] america.net Rob Wynne epk [at] bellatlantic.net Ellen P. Kiley lighton [at] monet.bestweb.net Kevin Lighton robbiew [at] gemini.c-com.net Robbie Westmoreland baloosj [at] crosswinds.net Staffan Johansson highway [at] cstone.net SEAN MICHAEL WHIPKEY rgfm-vote [at] newton.digitalspace.net Philip Newton billllll [at] earthlink.net Bill Dowling fortran [at] earthlink.net Edward Franks karlik1 [at] earthlink.net Carlton Anderson planetcomics [at] earthlink.net g. m. scannell bret_smith [at] eli.net Bret Smith guymc [at] evansville.net Guy McLimore jiberish [at] flash.net Jim Roof izzylobo [at] frontiernet.net Scott A. Taylor zahn [at] frontiernet.net Spencer E. Hart baird [at] gate.net Baird Stafford removethis [at] gmx.net ras2 rdl [at] ican.net Robin D. Laws mtr [at] igs.net Michael T. Richter dlpulver [at] kos.net David L. Pulver paulkelly [at] mcb.net Paul kholec [at] atl.mediaone.net Kim Holec sekullbe [at] mediaone.net Scott Kullberg fsronce [at] myriad.net Frank Sronce kneecap [at] netnet.net Neal Cappel AWDSR [at] Netscape.Net Alexandre Walkling-Ribeiro bkahler [at] netscape.net Flex Mentallo gardener [at] mail.ocis.net A Hughes MWoodhouse [at] qai.net W.M. Woodhouse jrj [at] Radix.Net Joseph R. Justice emma [at] rpg.net Emma Kolstad Antunes bblackmoor [at] sff.net Brandon Blackmoor bruce-baugh [at] sff.net Bruce Baugh astarte [at] sover.net Siobhan Perricone hawthorn [at] sover.net Frank J. Perricone cecilia [at] tcinternet.net Jennifer Arnott sos [at] vnet.net Steffan O'Sullivan r.vanette [at] pink.nl Robert-Jan van Ette erik [at] flits102-126.flits.rug.nl Erik Warmelink jaj39 [at] student.canterbury.ac.nz Alan Jackson faulds [at] es.co.nz Stuart Brodie Faulds vizi [at] ihug.co.nz Dillon Shiel Burke rmarsh [at] xtra.co.nz R. G. 'Stumpy' Marsh kemlyn1 [at] paradise.net.nz Martin Brabander John_David_Galt [at] acm.org John David Galt darkskyz [at] cyberspace.org Tomer Brisker LUCEJR [at] Eisner.DECUS.Org Charlie Luce dvandom [at] haven.eyrie.org Dave Van Domelen david.allan [at] finch.org David Allan Finch tskirvin [at] killfile.org Tim Skirvin d4jonas [at] dtek.chalmers.se Jonas Steverud md4krist [at] mdstud.chalmers.se Kristofer Johannisson corps [at] acc.umu.se Ola Agren 112804 [at] soas.ac.uk Garett Lepper ketil [at] argonet.co.uk Kevin Cowley c.short1 [at] cableinet.co.uk Chris Short af [at] contract.co.uk Alan Fleming avatar [at] arkane.demon.co.uk Alistair J. R. Young Harlequin [at] ishtari.demon.co.uk Richard Salmon anna [at] moglit.demon.co.uk Anna Frances Simpson timpart [at] perdix.demon.co.uk Timothy Partridge edward [at] ulape.org.uk Edward King Voted NO ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ knight [at] ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au Glenn Butcher zeena [at] netcom.ca Zeena jo.mason [at] utoronto.ca Jo Mason j_lance [at] allison-fisher.com Jeremy K. Lance ErolB1 [at] aol.com Erol K. Bayburt Psychohist [at] aol.com Warren J. Dew triad3204 [at] aol.com Justin Bacon edel [at] best.com Nate Edel stainles [at] bga.com Dwight Brown patc [at] Censoft.com Patrick S. Clark jmsaul [at] ctconsultancy.com Joseph M. Saul craigo [at] mail.dmtcorp.com Craig O'Brien mcrip [at] drizzle.com Marvin Crippen tjmc [at] enteract.com tjmc newsw [at] hoboes.com Jerry Stratton ascendance [at] home.com Robin Lim gamestuff [at] home.com Jeffrey Borden aveekdatta [at] hotmail.com Aveek Datta ivanj [at] hotmail.com Ivan J. Richardson mister_handy [at] hotmail.com Lou Leakey slheering [at] hotmail.com Stan Lee Heering arnej [at] fc.hp.com Arne Jamtgaard durrell [at] innocence.com Bryant Durrell michael.harvey [at] intel.com Michael Harvey pardoz [at] io.com Abd al-Azrad wiz [at] lart.com Mike Craig gleichman [at] mindspring.com Brian Gleichman gprrspw [at] mindspring.com G.P. Ryan rainfield [at] mindspring.com Andy Elfway dagger [at] mnss.com Scott Richards r5555c [at] email.sps.mot.com ALan Chapman anarchy [at] netcom.com Chris Taylor jrustyw [at] ix.netcom.com Rusty Wallace sleepy [at] os.com Alexander Pennace janene [at] pobox.com Janene Hourigan hhermit [at] qni.com Jeffrey May archer [at] nc.rr.com Chris Goodwin bmailman [at] sfo.com Brian Mailman pan [at] syix.com Pan jay [at] tangents-sf.com Jay Adan eduard [at] zloty.tryllian.com E. W. Lohmann Abhay.Natu [at] wcom.com Abhay Natu Ekkehard.Uthke [at] gmx.de Ekkehard Uthke anandc [at] ugcs.caltech.edu Anand Chelian Thomas_Galen_Ault [at] ir.mt.cs.cmu.edu Tom Ault bjm10 [at] cornell.edu Bryan J. Maloney nomad [at] gwu.edu Andrew Tellez cordes [at] gold.chem.hawaii.edu Rick Cordes jackal [at] alum.mit.edu Philip R. Hammar neelk [at] alum.mit.edu Neelakantan Krishnaswami kevinmcg [at] sas.upenn.edu Kevin McGuire jsciv [at] bev.net Joseph Cochran iggy [at] capital.net John Mangrum bradds [at] concentric.net Bradd W. Szonye bard [at] digital-marketplace.net Bard ellis [at] ftel.net Rick Ellis gargoyle [at] intcon.net Paul Romine cinnamon [at] one.net atholbrose mmontcha [at] OregonVOS.net Matthew Montchalin billo [at] Radix.Net William R. Oliver herveus [at] Radix.Net Michael Houghton onomog [at] shore.net Rob McHugh pmacdonald [at] voyager.net Paul MacDonald dwayne [at] waikato.ac.nz Dwayne Carnachan scrub [at] clear.net.nz tussock idiot [at] flat.net.nz Idiot/Savant rboleyn [at] paradise.net.nz Rupert Boleyn Jeffrey.A.Cummins.98 [at] Alum.Dartmouth.ORG Jeff Cummins larry [at] smith-house.org Larry Smith mark [at] lange.demon.co.uk Mark Baker chriseb [at] ukshells.co.uk Chris Ebenezer Abstained ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ lucfrench [at] aol.com Luc French sforsell [at] aol.com Scott Forsell Tom_Gutman [at] compuserve.com Tom Gutman sjohn [at] io.com S. John Ross aahz [at] netcom.com Aahz kathy [at] newsreaders.com Kathy I. Morgan jimrtex [at] pipeline.com Jim Riley piranha [at] pobox.com piranha dkass [at] its.caltech.edu David Kass evert [at] royal.net Evert Meulie merlin [at] netlink.co.uk Darren Wyn Rees Invalid votes ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ gentloser [at] remove.btinternet.com Dave Crowhurst ! Undeliverable address: no such user dbolack [at] galstar.com David Bolack ! Vote based not on CFV but on ballot mailed to voter piiwater [at] netcom.com Bryan Harsh ! Undeliverable address: User unknown dganger [at] nortelnetworks.com Devin L. Ganger ! Undeliverable address: no such user baby.digit [at] my.face Shitfire Howdy ! Undeliverable address: Host not found jsn [at] ts002d06.per-md.concentric.net John S. Novak, III ! Undeliverable address: 550 Unable to relay root [at] utnapishtim.pacbell.net Tom Fiddamen ! Ineligible address and Host not found denebeim [at] deepthot.org Jay Denebeim ! Undeliverable address: 554 SMTP service not available notnlinden [at] its.uct.ac.za Nicholas Lindenberg ! Undeliverable address: No such user -- Neil Crellin, UVV