From gendzwil@sedsystems.ca Tue Jun 17 17:00:05 1997 Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back From: Neil Gendzwill Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.martial-arts,rec.sport.fencing,alt.martial-arts.karate.shotokan Subject: RFD: rec.martial-arts.moderated moderated Followup-To: news.groups Message-ID: <866591747.9819@isc.org> Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org Archive-Name: rec.martial-arts.moderated Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 23:55:49 GMT Lines: 281 Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:506 REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD) moderated group rec.martial-arts.moderated This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the creation of a world-wide moderated Usenet newsgroup rec.martial-arts.moderated. This is not a Call for Votes (CFV); you cannot vote at this time. Procedural details are below. Newsgroup line: rec.martial-arts.moderated Discussion of martial-arts. (Moderated) RATIONALE: rec.martial-arts.moderated rec.martial-arts is a high-traffic newsgroup subject to a great deal of off-charter discussion. Dejanews reports an average of 264 posts per day during the first three months of 1997. Included in that is the usual daily dose of SPAM, trolls and flames plus a high percentage of direct charter violations including personal challenges. Due to this, the signal-to-noise ratio has decreased to the point where most of the group's old-timers have retreated to mailing lists. A sample of the mailing lists and their traffic is as follows: judo-l: 325 members, 25 messages/day; iaido-l: 700 members, 10 messages/day; cyber-dojo: 1150 members, 30 messages/day; the_dojang: 650 members, 10 messages/day; escrima: 650 members, 10 messages/day. The mailing list retreat has caused further degradation of the newsgroup as those with the most to contribute are also those who are most likely to give up in disgust. The martial-arts community in general loses out because the expertise of the lists is dispersed and awkward to access. Therefore, a discussion is proposed here on the possible creation of a new moderated martial-arts group - rec.martial-arts.moderated. Rec.martial-arts.moderated is not intended to replace rec.martial-arts, which would continue as an unmoderated newsgroup for martial arts. CHARTER: rec.martial-arts.moderated Rec.martial-arts.moderated is to be a forum for the discussion of all aspects of the martial arts, both by martial arts practitioners and the general public interested in knowing more about the martial arts community. As such, all manner of discussion related to the martial arts is considered to be on-topic, including but not limited to: 1) Technique 2) History 3) Personal experiences, anecdotes, myths, and folklore 4) The existance or location of a specific style, form, or system. 5) Announcement and discussion of competitions, demonstrations, and seminars. 6) Requests for assistance in locating schools or instructors. 7) Discussion of martial arts resources such as books, videotapes, websites. 8) Periodically posted FAQs. The following items are specifically off-topic: 1) Commercial posts of any sort. 2) Posts with no martial arts content. 3) Anonymous posts: Those wishing to use an anonymous remailing service must contact the moderators and sign their posts using PGP. Note that this does not refer to "handles", which are fine. 4) Challenges, either to other members of the newsgroups or to well- known martial artists. Invitations to visit and compare notes, as long as they are clearly friendly, are on-topic. 5) "My art is better than yours" posts. Comparing specific techniques of two martial arts is on-topic, blanket statements of one arts' superiority are not. 6) Competition discussion which strays from the topics of technique and tactics. This is a contentious issue, but discussion of competition, including no-holds-barred matches, is considered on- topic until the discussion veers away from the martial-arts related issues. 7) Fictitious matches between famous artists, alive, dead or fictional. 8) Bigotry toward any nationality, race, gender, age group or sexual orientation. 9) Obvious trolling or flamebaiting. 10) Flamewars. The group is not intended to be humourless, but when disagreements become disagreeable, they are off-topic. Rule 2 always applies, so flame for the sake of flame, even if mild/clever, is off-topic. Messages are to be formatted according to the following guideline: 1) Messages may not contain encoded binaries. 2) Messages must contain no format/font information (such as MIME). 3) Messages longer than 25 lines must contain at least 1/3 original text. 4) Messages may not be cross-posted. 5) Original line length must be 75 characters or less. 6) Signatures may be no longer than 6 lines. 7) Messages longer than 200 lines must contain LONG in the title. 8) Messages referring to competitions must contain COMP in the title. 9) Messages which are announcements must contain ANNOUNCE in the title. MODERATION METHODS Moderation will be accomplished by a combination of human and automated means, and implemented using the Secure Team-based Usenet Moderation Program (STUMP). Moderation facilities have been arranged at a site with a knowledgeable administrator and a solid, high capacity NNTP connection. Where possible, the robo-moderator will be programmed to reject messages which violate the format guidelines. Cross-posted messages will be returned to the sender. The robo-moderator supports both pre-rejected and pre-approved lists (barred and OK lists). Those who are on the barred list are barred from posting to the newsgroup: their messages are automatically rejected. Those on the OK list are automatically approved. Those who are on neither list are subject to manual moderation. Automated sources of spam are permanently assigned to the barred list. Human authors will be treated on a "three strikes and you're out" basis. Serious violations of charter will be treated as a strike. Consistent minor violations of charter will be treated as a strike. Three strikes results in placing the author on the barred list for a period not exceeding one month, after which their posts will be subject to manual moderation. Authors who are placed on the barred list three times are then left on the barred list permanently. Authors whose work is found to be consistently within the charter will be placed on the OK list. Authors who are on the OK list but then do not consistently follow the charter will be taken off the OK list. Posts which are either automatically or manually approved will be posted with a PGP signature in the header. A daemon program will search for unauthorized posts and delete them. Acknowledgments of receipt or rejection messages with explanations will be sent back to posters. First-time authors will be automatically mailed copies of the charter and the rec.martial-arts FAQ. END CHARTER. MODERATOR INFO: rec.martial-arts.moderated Moderator: Joao de Souza Moderator: Erica Friedman Moderator: Stephen Gombosi Moderator: Frank Ishizaki Moderator: Richard Kim Moderator: Karen Nagai Moderator: Lauren Radner Moderator: Don Wagner Moderator: Brad Webb Moderator: Pai Yili Joao de Souza started studying Judo in Brazil in 1969 and has since mixed many different styles into his training, including Tae-Kwon-Do, Muay-Thai, Capoeira, Shotokan Karate, Greco-roman Wrestling and Gracie Jiu-jitsu. He holds first degree black belts in Judo and Tae-Kwon-Do and a blue belt in Gracie Jiu-jitsu from Helio Gracie's school. Joao is a continuous contributor to rec.martial-arts, and has been one of the driving forces behind this RFD. He owns and moderates a web-site and two mailing lists related to his work. Erica Friedman is the chief instructor of Kaixin Taijiquan and has been doing Taijiquan for twelve years. She is an assistant administrator on the Taichichuan mailing list and a frequent contributor to rec.martial- arts. She also has experience in aikido, and filipino martial arts. Steve Gombosi has been training Shorin(Matsubayashi)-ryu karate for 25 years. He is the karate instructor at Aikido and Karate of Colorado Springs, a non-profit, traditional dojo in Colorado Springs, CO, USA. He holds the rank of sandan in Matsubayashi-ryu karate and nikyu in Hombu- style Aikido. Steve co-authored "The Newbie Guide" and has been a regular contributor to rec.martial-arts. Frank Ishizaki has over ten years experience in the martial arts. His training includes tae kwon do, boxing, muay thai, Indonesian silat, Filipino martial arts and jeet kune do. He currently trains in Brazilian jiu jitsu under the world champion Machado brothers in Southern California. Frank began posting on rec.martial-arts early this year. He has also been a frequent contributor to Tim Mousel's Brazilian Jiu Jitsu and Jeet Kune Do discussion forums. Richard Kim has been practicing for 15 years and has been doing a lot of art hopping in between places his family were stationed and trips to Korea every summer. He holds 1st dan in Korea Yudo, 2nd dan in Oh Do Kwan TKD, 3rd dan in WTF TKD, and 4th dan in Sin Moo Hapkido. He has also successfully competed as a subpro in Muay Thai and currently trains Sambo. Richard is a frequent contributor to rec.martial-arts and participates in the Dojang and Fighting mailing lists. Karen Nagai's background is mostly judo although she's studied Aikido, Kendo, and Eskrima. She has been studying since 1967 and holds a third degree black belt in judo. Her teachers are 7th and 8th dan, former national champs and one is the highest ranking woman in judo. Lauren Radner has been studying a self-defense-oriented Okinawan martial art involving both bare-handed and weapons techniques (bo through katana), since 1989, when she got hooked by a free summer karate class at her company. She has organized and maintained those classes ever since, and taught them for the last five or six years. After lurking a while, Lauren made her first rec.martial-arts posting in 1991, and has been a frequent contributor, or, at least, a frequent poster, since then. She co-authored "The Newbie Guide" in an attempt to help steer beginners toward a good school, and her "Circus Ponies of Death" are still sometimes invoked by the exasperated. Don Wagner's foundation is in Okinawan Shorin Ryu karate. In addition to this, Wing Chun, Boxing and FMA/JKD concepts have been incorporated into his groups training over the past 15 years. Brad Webb teaches and studies karate in the Dallas, Texas area where he operates his own non-profit Shotokan dojo. He has 16 years experience in karate and holds the rank of nanakyu in Shudokan and sandan in Shotokan. He is an active competitor under the ITKF and AAU/ISKF. Brad is also a frequent contributor to rec.martial-arts. Pai Yili is the owner of, and chief instructor in Quakertown Kung Fu Center, Quakertown, PA (USA). He began training in the art of Pai Lum Kung Fu in 1975, and remains the student of his original teacher, Pai Li Lung. He has experience in Kenjutsu, Aikijutsu, and Shorin No-tora Karate-do as well. He is a frequent contributor to rec.martial-arts and the Kungfu Mailing List. END MODERATOR INFO. PROCEDURE: This is a request for discussion, not a call for votes. In this phase of the process, any potential problems with the proposed newsgroups should be raised and resolved. The discussion period will continue for a minimum of 21 days (starting from when the first RFD for this proposal is posted to news.announce.newgroups), after which a Call For Votes (CFV) may be posted by a neutral vote taker if the discussion warrants it. Please do not attempt to vote until this happens. All discussion of this proposal should be posted to news.groups. This RFD attempts to comply fully with the Usenet newsgroup creation guidelines outlined in "How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup" and "How to Format and Submit a New Group Proposal". Please refer to these documents (available in news.announce.newgroups) if you have any questions about the process. DISTRIBUTION: This RFD has been posted to the following newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, rec.martial-arts, rec.sport.fencing, alt.martial-arts.karate.shotokan and the following mailing lists: iaido-l@listserv.uoguelph.ca (iaido and kendo) Subcsribe via: listserv@listserv.uoguelph.ca taichichuan@ccsi.com (taichi) Subscribe via: majordomo@ccsi.com judo-l@uconnvm.uconn.edu (judo) Subscribe via: listserv@uconnvm.uconn.edu aikido-l@psuvm.psu.edu (aikido) Subscribe via: listserv@psuvm.psu.edu jujutsu@psuvm.psu.edu (jujutsu) Subscribe via: listserv@psuvm.psu.edu karate@ukans.edu (cyber-dojo: traditional karate) Subscribe via: listserv@ukanaix.cc.ukans.edu kyudo-l@teu1ws02.comp.pge.com (kyudo: Japanese archery) Subscribe via: kyudo-l-request@teu1ws02.comp.pge.com the_dojang-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com (Korean martial arts) Subscribe via: majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com neijia@lists.stanford.edu (internal Chinese martial arts) Subscribe via: majordomo@lists.stanford.edu escrima-digest@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com (Filipino martial arts) Subscribe via: majordomo@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Proponent: Neil Gendzwill Neil Gendzwill is the author of the Japanese Sword Arts FAQ, frequent contributor to the iaido-l mailing list and participates in any kendo- related discussions that crop up on rec.martial-arts. He has 14 years experience in kendo and holds the rank of sandan. He also has experience in judo and aikido. From mcq@wco.com Tue Aug 5 09:30:06 1997 Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back From: mcq@wco.com (Rebecca McQuitty) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.martial-arts.karate.shotokan,rec.martial-arts,rec.sport.fencing Subject: CFV: rec.martial-arts.moderated moderated Followup-To: poster Message-ID: <870797702.27955@isc.org> Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org Expires: 27 Aug 1997 00:00:00 GMT Archive-Name: rec.martial-arts.moderated Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 16:15:03 GMT Lines: 378 Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:659 FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2) moderated group rec.martial-arts.moderated Newsgroups line: rec.martial-arts.moderated Martial-arts in general. (Moderated) Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 26 Aug 1997. This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. Questions about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent. Proponent: Neil Gendzwill Mentor: Russ Allbery Votetaker: Rebecca McQuitty RATIONALE: rec.martial-arts.moderated Rec.martial-arts is a high-traffic newsgroup subject to a great deal of off-charter discussion. Dejanews reports an average of 264 posts per day during the first three months of 1997. Included in that is the usual daily dose of SPAM, trolls and flames plus a high percentage of direct charter violations including personal challenges. Due to this, the signal-to-noise ratio has decreased to the point where most of the group's old-timers have retreated to mailing lists. A sample of the mailing lists and their traffic is as follows: judo-l: 325 members, 25 messages/day; iaido-l: 700 members, 10 messages/day; cyber-dojo: 1150 members, 30 messages/day; the_dojang: 650 members, 10 messages/day; escrima: 650 members, 10 messages/day. The mailing list retreat has caused further degradation of the newsgroup as those with the most to contribute are also those who are most likely to give up in disgust. The martial-arts community in general loses out because the expertise of the lists is dispersed and awkward to access. Therefore, a discussion is proposed here on the possible creation of a new moderated martial-arts group - rec.martial-arts.moderated. Rec.martial-arts.moderated is not intended to replace rec.martial-arts, which would continue as an unmoderated newsgroup for martial arts. CHARTER: rec.martial-arts.moderated Rec.martial-arts.moderated is a forum for the discussion of all aspects of the martial arts, both by martial arts practitioners and the general public interested in knowing more about the martial arts community. As such, all manner of discussion related to the martial arts is considered to be on-topic, including but not limited to: 1) Technique. 2) History. 3) Personal experiences, anecdotes, myths, and folklore. 4) Philosophy and religion as related to martial arts. 5) The existance or location of a specific style, form, or system. 6) Announcement and discussion of competitions, demonstrations, and seminars. 7) Requests for assistance in locating schools or instructors. 8) Discussion of martial arts resources such as books, videotapes, websites. 9) Periodically posted FAQs. The following items are specifically off-topic: 1) Commercial posts of any sort. 2) Posts with no martial arts content. 3) Anonymous posts: Those wishing to use an anonymous remailing service must contact the moderators and sign their posts using PGP. Note that this does not refer to "handles", which are fine. "SPAM-proof" e-mail addresses are also OK, as long as the decoding instructions yield a verifiable address. 4) Challenges, either to other members of the newsgroups or to well- known martial artists. Invitations to visit and compare notes, as long as they are clearly friendly, are on-topic. 5) "My art is better than yours" posts. Comparing specific techniques of two martial arts is on-topic, blanket statements of one art's superiority are not. 6) Competition discussion which strays from the topics of technique and tactics. This is a contentious issue, but discussion of competition, including no-holds-barred matches, is considered on- topic until the discussion veers away from the martial-arts related issues. 7) Fictitious matches between famous artists, alive, dead or fictional. 8) Bigotry toward any nationality, race, gender, age group or sexual orientation. 9) Obvious trolling or flamebaiting. 10) Flamewars. The group is not intended to be humourless, but when disagreements become disagreeable, they are off-topic. Rule 2 always applies, so flame for the sake of flame, even if mild/clever, is off-topic. Messages are to be formatted according to the following guideline: 1) Messages may not contain large encoded binary files such as images or executables. For the purposes of this rule, a large binary is defined as any post of which more than 40 lines or 3000 bytes are not readable by humans without decoding. PGP signatures are acceptable. 2) Messages should be composed in plain text. Where MIME is used, the only MIME type allowed for the body content of a message is text/plain. MIME multiparts other than multipart/signed are not acceptable. HTML is not acceptable. 3) Messages must contain a significant proportion of new, original text. 4) Cross-posted messages are subject to the following limitations: a) The Followup-To: line must exist and may not contain rec.martial-arts.moderated. b) The message may not be cross-posted to more than 10 groups. c) In general, only periodic or administrative messages will be accepted as cross-posts, such as FAQs, RFDs or CFVs. 5) Original line length should be 75 characters or less. 6) Signatures should be no longer than 6 lines. 7) Courtesy tags should be added to the title for the following cases: - LONG: messages longer than 200 lines - COMP: messages referring to competitions - ANNOUNCE: messages which are announcements - FAQ: messages which are FAQs (LONG not necessary) MODERATION METHODS Moderation will be accomplished by a combination of human and automated means, and implemented using the Secure Team-based Usenet Moderation Program (STUMP). Moderation facilities have been arranged at a site with a knowledgeable administrator and a solid, high capacity NNTP connection. Where possible, the robo-moderator will be programmed to reject messages which violate the format guidelines. Incorrectly cross-posted messages will be returned to the sender. The robo-moderator supports both pre-rejected and pre-approved lists (barred and OK lists). Those who are on the barred list are barred from posting to the newsgroup: their messages are automatically rejected. Those on the OK list are automatically approved. Those who are on neither list are subject to manual moderation. Automated sources of spam are permanently assigned to the barred list. Human authors will be treated on a "three strikes and you're out" basis. Serious violations of charter will be treated as a strike. Consistent minor violations of charter will be treated as a strike. Three strikes results in placing the author on the barred list for a period not exceeding one month, after which their posts will be subject to manual moderation. Authors who are placed on the barred list three times are then left on the barred list for at least one year. Authors whose work is found to be consistently within the charter will be placed on the OK list. Authors who are on the OK list but then do not consistently follow the charter will be taken off the OK list. Posts which are either automatically or manually approved will be posted with a PGP signature in the header. A daemon program will search for unauthorized posts and cancel them. Acknowledgments of receipt or rejection messages with explanations will be sent back to posters. First-time authors will be automatically mailed copies of the charter and the rec.martial-arts FAQ. END CHARTER. MODERATOR INFO: rec.martial-arts.moderated Moderator: Joao de Souza Joao de Souza started studying Judo in Brazil in 1969 and has since mixed many different styles into his training, including Tae-Kwon-Do, Muay-Thai, Capoeira, Shotokan Karate, Greco-roman Wrestling and Gracie Jiu-jitsu. He holds first degree black belts in Judo and Tae-Kwon-Do and a blue belt in Gracie Jiu-jitsu from Helio Gracie's school. Joao is a continuous contributor to rec.martial-arts, and has been one of the driving forces behind this RFD. He owns and moderates a web-site and two mailing lists related to his work. Moderator: Erica Friedman Erica Friedman is the chief instructor of Kaixin Taijiquan and has been doing Taijiquan for twelve years. She is an assistant administrator on the Taichichuan mailing list and a frequent contributor to rec.martial-arts. She also has experience in aikido and filipino martial arts. Moderator: Stephen Gombosi Steve Gombosi has been training Shorin(Matsubayashi)-ryu karate for 25 years. He is the karate instructor at Aikido and Karate of Colorado Springs, a non-profit, traditional dojo in Colorado Springs, CO, USA. He holds the rank of sandan in Matsubayashi-ryu karate and nikyu in Hombu-style Aikido. Steve co-authored "The Newbie Guide" and has been a regular contributor to rec.martial-arts. Moderator: Frank Ishizaki Frank Ishizaki has over ten years experience in the martial arts. His training includes tae kwon do, boxing, muay thai, Indonesian silat, Filipino martial arts and jeet kune do. He currently trains in Brazilian jiu jitsu under the world champion Machado brothers in Southern California. Frank began posting on rec.martial-arts early this year. He has also been a frequent contributor to Tim Mousel's Brazilian Jiu Jitsu and Jeet Kune Do discussion forums. Moderator: Richard Kim Richard Kim has been practicing for 15 years and has been doing a lot of art hopping in between places his family were stationed and trips to Korea every summer. He holds 1st dan in Korea Yudo, 2nd dan in Oh Do Kwan TKD, 3rd dan in WTF TKD, and 4th dan in Sin Moo Hapkido. He has also successfully competed as a subpro in Muay Thai and currently trains Sambo. Richard is a frequent contributor to rec.martial-arts and participates in the Dojang and Fighting mailing lists. Moderator: Karen Nagai Karen Nagai's background is mostly judo although she's studied Aikido, Kendo, and Eskrima. She has been studying since 1967 and holds a third degree black belt in judo. Her teachers are 7th and 8th dan, former national champs and one is the highest ranking woman in judo. Moderator: Lauren Radner Lauren Radner has been studying a self-defense-oriented Okinawan martial art involving both bare-handed and weapons techniques (bo through katana), since 1989, when she got hooked by a free summer karate class at her company. She has organized and maintained those classes ever since, and taught them for the last five or six years. After lurking a while, Lauren made her first rec.martial-arts posting in 1991, and has been a frequent contributor, or, at least, a frequent poster, since then. She co-authored "The Newbie Guide" in an attempt to help steer beginners toward a good school, and her "Circus Ponies of Death" are still sometimes invoked by the exasperated. Moderator: Don Wagner Don Wagner's foundation is in Okinawan Shorin Ryu karate. In addition to this, Wing Chun, Boxing and FMA/JKD concepts have been incorporated into his groups training over the past 15 years. Moderator: Brad Webb Brad Webb teaches and studies karate in the Dallas, Texas area where he operates his own non-profit Shotokan dojo. He has 16 years experience in karate and holds the rank of nanakyu in Shudokan and sandan in Shotokan. He is an active competitor under the ITKF and AAU/ISKF. Brad is also a frequent contributor to rec.martial-arts. Moderator: Pai Yili Pai Yili is the owner of, and chief instructor in Quakertown Kung Fu Center, Quakertown, PA (USA). He began training in the art of Pai Lum Kung Fu in 1975, and remains the student of his original teacher, Pai Li Lung. He has experience in Kenjutsu, Aikijutsu, and Shorin No-tora Karate-do as well. He is a frequent contributor to rec.martial-arts and the Kungfu Mailing List. Administrative contact address: rec-martial-arts-moderator@news.onramp.net Article submission address: rec-martial-arts-moderated@news.onramp.net END MODERATOR INFO. IMPORTANT VOTING INFORMATION: Standard Guidelines for voting apply. One vote per person, one vote per account. Votes must be mailed directly from the voter to the votetaker. Anonymous, forwarded or proxy votes are not valid. Votes mailed by WWW/HTML/CGI forms are considered anonymous votes. Addresses and votes of all voters will be published in the final voting results post. Duplicate votes will be resolved in favor of the most recent valid vote. The purpose of a Usenet vote is to determine the genuine interest of persons who would read a proposed newsgroup. Soliciting votes from disinterested parties defeats this purpose. Please do *not* distribute this CFV; instead, direct people to the official CFV posted to news.announce.newgroups. Distributing pre-marked, incomplete, or otherwise edited copies of this CFV is generally considered to be vote fraud. When in doubt, ask the votetaker. HOW TO VOTE: Extract the ballot from the CFV by deleting everything before the "BEGINNING OF BALLOT" and after the "END OF BALLOT" lines. 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Pointers to this CFV will be placed on the following mailing lists: Mailing List: iaido and kendo Submission Address: iaido-l@listserv.uoguelph.ca Subscription Address: listserv@listserv.uoguelph.ca Mailing List: taichi Submission Address: taichichuan@ccsi.com Subscription Address: majordomo@ccsi.com Mailing List: judo Submission Address: judo-l@uconnvm.uconn.edu Subscription Address: listserv@uconnvm.uconn.edu Mailing List: aikido Submission Address: aikido-l@psuvm.psu.edu Subscription Address: listserv@psuvm.psu.edu Mailing List: jujutsu Submission Address: jujutsu@psuvm.psu.edu Subscription Address: listserv@psuvm.psu.edu Mailing List: cyber-dojo (traditional karate) Submission Address: karate@ukans.edu Subscription Address: listserv@ukanaix.cc.ukans.edu Mailing List (internal Chinese martial arts) Submission Address: neijia@lists.stanford.edu Subscription Address: majordomo@lists.stanford.edu -- Rebecca Graham McQuitty From mcq@wco.com Thu Aug 14 02:15:12 1997 Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back From: mcq@wco.com (Rebecca McQuitty) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.martial-arts.karate.shotokan,rec.martial-arts,rec.sport.fencing Subject: 2nd CFV: rec.martial-arts.moderated moderated Followup-To: poster Message-ID: <871549801.18321@isc.org> Supersedes: <870797702.27955@isc.org> Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org Expires: 27 Aug 1997 00:00:00 GMT Archive-Name: rec.martial-arts.moderated Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 09:10:02 GMT Lines: 378 Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:685 LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2) moderated group rec.martial-arts.moderated Newsgroups line: rec.martial-arts.moderated Martial-arts in general. (Moderated) Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 26 Aug 1997. This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. Questions about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent. Proponent: Neil Gendzwill Mentor: Russ Allbery Votetaker: Rebecca McQuitty RATIONALE: rec.martial-arts.moderated Rec.martial-arts is a high-traffic newsgroup subject to a great deal of off-charter discussion. Dejanews reports an average of 264 posts per day during the first three months of 1997. Included in that is the usual daily dose of SPAM, trolls and flames plus a high percentage of direct charter violations including personal challenges. Due to this, the signal-to-noise ratio has decreased to the point where most of the group's old-timers have retreated to mailing lists. A sample of the mailing lists and their traffic is as follows: judo-l: 325 members, 25 messages/day; iaido-l: 700 members, 10 messages/day; cyber-dojo: 1150 members, 30 messages/day; the_dojang: 650 members, 10 messages/day; escrima: 650 members, 10 messages/day. The mailing list retreat has caused further degradation of the newsgroup as those with the most to contribute are also those who are most likely to give up in disgust. The martial-arts community in general loses out because the expertise of the lists is dispersed and awkward to access. Therefore, a discussion is proposed here on the possible creation of a new moderated martial-arts group - rec.martial-arts.moderated. Rec.martial-arts.moderated is not intended to replace rec.martial-arts, which would continue as an unmoderated newsgroup for martial arts. CHARTER: rec.martial-arts.moderated Rec.martial-arts.moderated is a forum for the discussion of all aspects of the martial arts, both by martial arts practitioners and the general public interested in knowing more about the martial arts community. As such, all manner of discussion related to the martial arts is considered to be on-topic, including but not limited to: 1) Technique. 2) History. 3) Personal experiences, anecdotes, myths, and folklore. 4) Philosophy and religion as related to martial arts. 5) The existance or location of a specific style, form, or system. 6) Announcement and discussion of competitions, demonstrations, and seminars. 7) Requests for assistance in locating schools or instructors. 8) Discussion of martial arts resources such as books, videotapes, websites. 9) Periodically posted FAQs. The following items are specifically off-topic: 1) Commercial posts of any sort. 2) Posts with no martial arts content. 3) Anonymous posts: Those wishing to use an anonymous remailing service must contact the moderators and sign their posts using PGP. Note that this does not refer to "handles", which are fine. "SPAM-proof" e-mail addresses are also OK, as long as the decoding instructions yield a verifiable address. 4) Challenges, either to other members of the newsgroups or to well- known martial artists. Invitations to visit and compare notes, as long as they are clearly friendly, are on-topic. 5) "My art is better than yours" posts. Comparing specific techniques of two martial arts is on-topic, blanket statements of one art's superiority are not. 6) Competition discussion which strays from the topics of technique and tactics. This is a contentious issue, but discussion of competition, including no-holds-barred matches, is considered on- topic until the discussion veers away from the martial-arts related issues. 7) Fictitious matches between famous artists, alive, dead or fictional. 8) Bigotry toward any nationality, race, gender, age group or sexual orientation. 9) Obvious trolling or flamebaiting. 10) Flamewars. The group is not intended to be humourless, but when disagreements become disagreeable, they are off-topic. Rule 2 always applies, so flame for the sake of flame, even if mild/clever, is off-topic. Messages are to be formatted according to the following guideline: 1) Messages may not contain large encoded binary files such as images or executables. For the purposes of this rule, a large binary is defined as any post of which more than 40 lines or 3000 bytes are not readable by humans without decoding. PGP signatures are acceptable. 2) Messages should be composed in plain text. 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HTML is not acceptable. 3) Messages must contain a significant proportion of new, original text. 4) Cross-posted messages are subject to the following limitations: a) The Followup-To: line must exist and may not contain rec.martial-arts.moderated. b) The message may not be cross-posted to more than 10 groups. c) In general, only periodic or administrative messages will be accepted as cross-posts, such as FAQs, RFDs or CFVs. 5) Original line length should be 75 characters or less. 6) Signatures should be no longer than 6 lines. 7) Courtesy tags should be added to the title for the following cases: - LONG: messages longer than 200 lines - COMP: messages referring to competitions - ANNOUNCE: messages which are announcements - FAQ: messages which are FAQs (LONG not necessary) MODERATION METHODS Moderation will be accomplished by a combination of human and automated means, and implemented using the Secure Team-based Usenet Moderation Program (STUMP). Moderation facilities have been arranged at a site with a knowledgeable administrator and a solid, high capacity NNTP connection. Where possible, the robo-moderator will be programmed to reject messages which violate the format guidelines. Incorrectly cross-posted messages will be returned to the sender. The robo-moderator supports both pre-rejected and pre-approved lists (barred and OK lists). Those who are on the barred list are barred from posting to the newsgroup: their messages are automatically rejected. Those on the OK list are automatically approved. Those who are on neither list are subject to manual moderation. Automated sources of spam are permanently assigned to the barred list. Human authors will be treated on a "three strikes and you're out" basis. Serious violations of charter will be treated as a strike. Consistent minor violations of charter will be treated as a strike. Three strikes results in placing the author on the barred list for a period not exceeding one month, after which their posts will be subject to manual moderation. Authors who are placed on the barred list three times are then left on the barred list for at least one year. Authors whose work is found to be consistently within the charter will be placed on the OK list. Authors who are on the OK list but then do not consistently follow the charter will be taken off the OK list. Posts which are either automatically or manually approved will be posted with a PGP signature in the header. A daemon program will search for unauthorized posts and cancel them. Acknowledgments of receipt or rejection messages with explanations will be sent back to posters. First-time authors will be automatically mailed copies of the charter and the rec.martial-arts FAQ. END CHARTER. MODERATOR INFO: rec.martial-arts.moderated Moderator: Joao de Souza Joao de Souza started studying Judo in Brazil in 1969 and has since mixed many different styles into his training, including Tae-Kwon-Do, Muay-Thai, Capoeira, Shotokan Karate, Greco-roman Wrestling and Gracie Jiu-jitsu. He holds first degree black belts in Judo and Tae-Kwon-Do and a blue belt in Gracie Jiu-jitsu from Helio Gracie's school. Joao is a continuous contributor to rec.martial-arts, and has been one of the driving forces behind this RFD. He owns and moderates a web-site and two mailing lists related to his work. Moderator: Erica Friedman Erica Friedman is the chief instructor of Kaixin Taijiquan and has been doing Taijiquan for twelve years. She is an assistant administrator on the Taichichuan mailing list and a frequent contributor to rec.martial-arts. She also has experience in aikido and filipino martial arts. Moderator: Stephen Gombosi Steve Gombosi has been training Shorin(Matsubayashi)-ryu karate for 25 years. He is the karate instructor at Aikido and Karate of Colorado Springs, a non-profit, traditional dojo in Colorado Springs, CO, USA. He holds the rank of sandan in Matsubayashi-ryu karate and nikyu in Hombu-style Aikido. Steve co-authored "The Newbie Guide" and has been a regular contributor to rec.martial-arts. Moderator: Frank Ishizaki Frank Ishizaki has over ten years experience in the martial arts. His training includes tae kwon do, boxing, muay thai, Indonesian silat, Filipino martial arts and jeet kune do. He currently trains in Brazilian jiu jitsu under the world champion Machado brothers in Southern California. Frank began posting on rec.martial-arts early this year. He has also been a frequent contributor to Tim Mousel's Brazilian Jiu Jitsu and Jeet Kune Do discussion forums. Moderator: Richard Kim Richard Kim has been practicing for 15 years and has been doing a lot of art hopping in between places his family were stationed and trips to Korea every summer. He holds 1st dan in Korea Yudo, 2nd dan in Oh Do Kwan TKD, 3rd dan in WTF TKD, and 4th dan in Sin Moo Hapkido. He has also successfully competed as a subpro in Muay Thai and currently trains Sambo. Richard is a frequent contributor to rec.martial-arts and participates in the Dojang and Fighting mailing lists. Moderator: Karen Nagai Karen Nagai's background is mostly judo although she's studied Aikido, Kendo, and Eskrima. She has been studying since 1967 and holds a third degree black belt in judo. Her teachers are 7th and 8th dan, former national champs and one is the highest ranking woman in judo. Moderator: Lauren Radner Lauren Radner has been studying a self-defense-oriented Okinawan martial art involving both bare-handed and weapons techniques (bo through katana), since 1989, when she got hooked by a free summer karate class at her company. She has organized and maintained those classes ever since, and taught them for the last five or six years. After lurking a while, Lauren made her first rec.martial-arts posting in 1991, and has been a frequent contributor, or, at least, a frequent poster, since then. She co-authored "The Newbie Guide" in an attempt to help steer beginners toward a good school, and her "Circus Ponies of Death" are still sometimes invoked by the exasperated. Moderator: Don Wagner Don Wagner's foundation is in Okinawan Shorin Ryu karate. In addition to this, Wing Chun, Boxing and FMA/JKD concepts have been incorporated into his groups training over the past 15 years. Moderator: Brad Webb Brad Webb teaches and studies karate in the Dallas, Texas area where he operates his own non-profit Shotokan dojo. He has 16 years experience in karate and holds the rank of nanakyu in Shudokan and sandan in Shotokan. He is an active competitor under the ITKF and AAU/ISKF. Brad is also a frequent contributor to rec.martial-arts. Moderator: Pai Yili Pai Yili is the owner of, and chief instructor in Quakertown Kung Fu Center, Quakertown, PA (USA). He began training in the art of Pai Lum Kung Fu in 1975, and remains the student of his original teacher, Pai Li Lung. He has experience in Kenjutsu, Aikijutsu, and Shorin No-tora Karate-do as well. He is a frequent contributor to rec.martial-arts and the Kungfu Mailing List. Administrative contact address: rec-martial-arts-moderator@news.onramp.net Article submission address: rec-martial-arts-moderated@news.onramp.net END MODERATOR INFO. IMPORTANT VOTING INFORMATION: Standard Guidelines for voting apply. 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Pointers to this CFV will be placed on the following mailing lists: Mailing List: iaido and kendo Submission Address: iaido-l@listserv.uoguelph.ca Subscription Address: listserv@listserv.uoguelph.ca Mailing List: taichi Submission Address: taichichuan@ccsi.com Subscription Address: majordomo@ccsi.com Mailing List: judo Submission Address: judo-l@uconnvm.uconn.edu Subscription Address: listserv@uconnvm.uconn.edu Mailing List: aikido Submission Address: aikido-l@psuvm.psu.edu Subscription Address: listserv@psuvm.psu.edu Mailing List: jujutsu Submission Address: jujutsu@psuvm.psu.edu Subscription Address: listserv@psuvm.psu.edu Mailing List: cyber-dojo (traditional karate) Submission Address: karate@ukans.edu Subscription Address: listserv@ukanaix.cc.ukans.edu Mailing List (internal Chinese martial arts) Submission Address: neijia@lists.stanford.edu Subscription Address: majordomo@lists.stanford.edu -- Rebecca Graham McQuitty From mcq@wco.com Mon Sep 1 17:45:26 1997 Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back From: mcq@wco.com (Rebecca McQuitty) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.martial-arts.karate.shotokan,rec.martial-arts,rec.sport.fencing Subject: RESULT: rec.martial-arts.moderated moderated passes 284:23 Followup-To: news.groups Message-ID: <873160617.501@isc.org> Supersedes: <871549801.18321@isc.org> Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org Archive-Name: rec.martial-arts.moderated Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 00:36:58 GMT Lines: 528 Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:728 RESULT moderated group rec.martial-arts.moderated passes 284:23 There were 284 YES votes and 23 NO votes, for a total of 307 valid votes. There was 1 abstain and 4 invalid ballots. For group passage, YES votes must be at least 2/3 of all valid (YES and NO) votes. There also must be at least 100 more YES votes than NO votes. There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted. If no serious allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the moderator of news.announce.newgroups will create the group shortly thereafter. Newsgroups line: rec.martial-arts.moderated Martial-arts in general. (Moderated) The voting period closed at 23:59:59 UTC, 26 Aug 1997. This vote was conducted by a neutral third party. Questions about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent. Proponent: Neil Gendzwill Mentor: Russ Allbery Votetaker: Rebecca McQuitty RATIONALE: rec.martial-arts.moderated Rec.martial-arts is a high-traffic newsgroup subject to a great deal of off-charter discussion. Dejanews reports an average of 264 posts per day during the first three months of 1997. Included in that is the usual daily dose of SPAM, trolls and flames plus a high percentage of direct charter violations including personal challenges. Due to this, the signal-to-noise ratio has decreased to the point where most of the group's old-timers have retreated to mailing lists. A sample of the mailing lists and their traffic is as follows: judo-l: 325 members, 25 messages/day; iaido-l: 700 members, 10 messages/day; cyber-dojo: 1150 members, 30 messages/day; the_dojang: 650 members, 10 messages/day; escrima: 650 members, 10 messages/day. The mailing list retreat has caused further degradation of the newsgroup as those with the most to contribute are also those who are most likely to give up in disgust. The martial-arts community in general loses out because the expertise of the lists is dispersed and awkward to access. Therefore, a discussion is proposed here on the possible creation of a new moderated martial-arts group - rec.martial-arts.moderated. Rec.martial-arts.moderated is not intended to replace rec.martial-arts, which would continue as an unmoderated newsgroup for martial arts. CHARTER: rec.martial-arts.moderated Rec.martial-arts.moderated is a forum for the discussion of all aspects of the martial arts, both by martial arts practitioners and the general public interested in knowing more about the martial arts community. As such, all manner of discussion related to the martial arts is considered to be on-topic, including but not limited to: 1) Technique. 2) History. 3) Personal experiences, anecdotes, myths, and folklore. 4) Philosophy and religion as related to martial arts. 5) The existance or location of a specific style, form, or system. 6) Announcement and discussion of competitions, demonstrations, and seminars. 7) Requests for assistance in locating schools or instructors. 8) Discussion of martial arts resources such as books, videotapes, websites. 9) Periodically posted FAQs. The following items are specifically off-topic: 1) Commercial posts of any sort. 2) Posts with no martial arts content. 3) Anonymous posts: Those wishing to use an anonymous remailing service must contact the moderators and sign their posts using PGP. Note that this does not refer to "handles", which are fine. "SPAM-proof" e-mail addresses are also OK, as long as the decoding instructions yield a verifiable address. 4) Challenges, either to other members of the newsgroups or to well- known martial artists. Invitations to visit and compare notes, as long as they are clearly friendly, are on-topic. 5) "My art is better than yours" posts. Comparing specific techniques of two martial arts is on-topic, blanket statements of one art's superiority are not. 6) Competition discussion which strays from the topics of technique and tactics. This is a contentious issue, but discussion of competition, including no-holds-barred matches, is considered on- topic until the discussion veers away from the martial-arts related issues. 7) Fictitious matches between famous artists, alive, dead or fictional. 8) Bigotry toward any nationality, race, gender, age group or sexual orientation. 9) Obvious trolling or flamebaiting. 10) Flamewars. The group is not intended to be humourless, but when disagreements become disagreeable, they are off-topic. Rule 2 always applies, so flame for the sake of flame, even if mild/clever, is off-topic. Messages are to be formatted according to the following guideline: 1) Messages may not contain large encoded binary files such as images or executables. For the purposes of this rule, a large binary is defined as any post of which more than 40 lines or 3000 bytes are not readable by humans without decoding. PGP signatures are acceptable. 2) Messages should be composed in plain text. Where MIME is used, the only MIME type allowed for the body content of a message is text/plain. MIME multiparts other than multipart/signed are not acceptable. HTML is not acceptable. 3) Messages must contain a significant proportion of new, original text. 4) Cross-posted messages are subject to the following limitations: a) The Followup-To: line must exist and may not contain rec.martial-arts.moderated. b) The message may not be cross-posted to more than 10 groups. c) In general, only periodic or administrative messages will be accepted as cross-posts, such as FAQs, RFDs or CFVs. 5) Original line length should be 75 characters or less. 6) Signatures should be no longer than 6 lines. 7) Courtesy tags should be added to the title for the following cases: - LONG: messages longer than 200 lines - COMP: messages referring to competitions - ANNOUNCE: messages which are announcements - FAQ: messages which are FAQs (LONG not necessary) MODERATION METHODS Moderation will be accomplished by a combination of human and automated means, and implemented using the Secure Team-based Usenet Moderation Program (STUMP). Moderation facilities have been arranged at a site with a knowledgeable administrator and a solid, high capacity NNTP connection. Where possible, the robo-moderator will be programmed to reject messages which violate the format guidelines. Incorrectly cross-posted messages will be returned to the sender. The robo-moderator supports both pre-rejected and pre-approved lists (barred and OK lists). Those who are on the barred list are barred from posting to the newsgroup: their messages are automatically rejected. Those on the OK list are automatically approved. Those who are on neither list are subject to manual moderation. Automated sources of spam are permanently assigned to the barred list. Human authors will be treated on a "three strikes and you're out" basis. Serious violations of charter will be treated as a strike. Consistent minor violations of charter will be treated as a strike. Three strikes results in placing the author on the barred list for a period not exceeding one month, after which their posts will be subject to manual moderation. Authors who are placed on the barred list three times are then left on the barred list for at least one year. Authors whose work is found to be consistently within the charter will be placed on the OK list. Authors who are on the OK list but then do not consistently follow the charter will be taken off the OK list. Posts which are either automatically or manually approved will be posted with a PGP signature in the header. A daemon program will search for unauthorized posts and cancel them. Acknowledgments of receipt or rejection messages with explanations will be sent back to posters. First-time authors will be automatically mailed copies of the charter and the rec.martial-arts FAQ. END CHARTER. MODERATOR INFO: rec.martial-arts.moderated Moderator: Joao de Souza Moderator: Erica Friedman Moderator: Stephen Gombosi Moderator: Frank Ishizaki Moderator: Richard Kim Moderator: Karen Nagai Moderator: Lauren Radner Moderator: Don Wagner Moderator: Brad Webb Moderator: Pai Yili Administrative contact address: rec-martial-arts-moderator@news.onramp.net Article submission address: rec-martial-arts-moderated@news.onramp.net END MODERATOR INFO. rec.martial-arts.moderated Final Vote Ack Voted Yes ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3cjmd@qlink.queensu.ca Jaime M. de Castellvi 72633.3511@compuserve.com Gregory M. Avedissian, D.C. acker@tfs.com James Acker agluyt@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca Andrew Luyt Aiki1@earthlink.net Larry Novick al715@yfn.ysu.edu Tina M. Wood amclane@u.washington.edu Andrew McLane andrew@babylon.riverside.ca.us Andrew Tristan aroytbur@tikva.chem.utoronto.ca Artur Roytburg aspin@pureatria.com David Aspinwall award@ix.netcom.com Jeff Cobb bainr@cyberbeach.net Ron Bain balloon@eraserco.demon.co.uk Malcolm Loades baril@SEDSystems.ca Dan Baril barnettj@utdallas.edu Judy Barnett bca@UDel.Edu Brian C. Allen bcrowell@eos.ncsu.edu David Bennett Crowell bd@asu.edu Betty Dong Ben@jimha.demon.co.uk Benjamin Ainsworth bill.muskett@which.net Bill Muskett billcav@pobox.com Bill Cavanaugh billn@alumni.stanford.org Bill Northlich bojak@hal1.physik.uni-dortmund.de Ingo Bojak bpchu@ucdavis.edu Bryan Chu Bradley.Webb.webbm@nt.com Bradley M. Webb braun@wald.ucdavis.edu Jerome Braun brendan@celebrian.otago.ac.nz Brendan Murray bridges@cs.arizona.edu Patrick G. Bridges bud@cs.uky.edu bud Carlos.Phillips@East.Sun.COM Carlos Phillips cde@is2.dal.ca Champlain Karine Suzanne De chungjc@board.tec.wi.us JAYSON CHUNG coop9g25@nortel.ca James Ho cop95ajw@sheffield.ac.uk Andrew J Walker countermarch@usa.net David A. Hicks cowboy@VNET.IBM.COM Richard A Nelson craesly@micros.com Carl Raesly crockett@un.cs.byu.edu Niki Thornock cromwell@nortel.ca David Cromwell cschum@eecs.umich.edu Corey Schumacher Cunning@uconnvm.uconn.edu Steve Cunningham cvsjpd@gps.leeds.ac.uk Jonathan Diesch dannyp@sky.net Danny Porter danp@leland.ncd.com Dan Paquette darrell@galois.nscf.org Darrell G. Tangman david@unico.com.au David Goh dawagner@ix.netcom.com Don Wagner dc@panix.com David W. Crawford DeSalvatMJ@MASPO3.MAS.YALE.EDU Michael DeSalvatore dfetter@oracle.com David Fetter dfrank@n-link.com Teresa Frank disrael@ia-us.com Daniel R. Israel DLNUMBER2@aol.com Denis Loring dormouse@wonderland.com Damon Stone drake@cis.uab.edu John Drake dschroed@unix.tfs.net Darren Schroeder dsoetant@enws40.eas.asu.edu Didik Soetanto e.l.f.@ix.netcom.com Erica Friedman e4321541@student.uq.edu.au Taro Sumitomo ebg9706@unix.tamu.edu Daniel Gorman edberge@ibm.net Eric Berge Edmund.Yuen@dsto.defence.gov.au Edmund Yuen Edward_Smith@neworder.com Edward Smith edwin.boatswain@virgin.net Edwin Boatswain ek@ws6502.gud.siemens.at Ernst Krudl eliasson@logan.msfc.nasa.gov Anders C. G. Eliasson emoon@ix.netcom.com Edward Moon Eric.Tevis@PSS.Boeing.com Eric Larson Teivs erkki.hakala@multicom.fi Erkki Hakala esh7@cornell.edu Erik Harris esteenpu@vub.ac.be Eli Steenput euthke@siam.muc.de Ekkehard Uthke eyeh@uclink.berkeley.edu Eric Yeh fici@kodak.com Kristoffer Fici fish_doc@hotmail.com Keith Nelson frankishi@earthlink.net Frank Ishizaki franza@phil-fak.uni-duesseldorf.de Alexander Franz fwong@tc.fluke.com Frank Wong garstang@olypen.com K. Grastang geg@beep.mis.semi.harris.com Greg Garland gendzwil@SEDSystems.ca Neil Gendzwill gene@insti.physics.sunysb.edu Eugene Tyurin GeorgeWinter@msn.com George Winter gkong@istar.ca Gary Kong glennk@pegasus.rutgers.edu Glenn Kurtzrock grc@sjld.demon.co.uk Giles Chamberlin gryphons@worldnet.att.net Chas Clements gt@avirt.com Giacomo Tufano hammar@acm.org Neil Hammar helgi@decode.is Helgi Briem Magnusson hh299@cleveland.Freenet.Edu Jim Baranovich hhoff@ragnarok.en.eunet.de Holger Hoffstaette Hick_Steve@ems.prc.com Stephen C. Hick Iallinson@iee.org Ian Allinson iclark@infi.net Ivan Clark ingan@globalnet.co.uk Udhishtran Senathirajah J.Chaudhuri@asu.edu Joy Chaudhuri Jayn64@concentric.net Anjali Nayegandhi jbennett@lcc.net John Bennett jbeST2+@pitt.edu Jimmer ENDRES jcl@phoenix.Princeton.EDU John C. Leylegian jcs@flatland.dimensional.com Joseph C. Steger jdg@but-i-dont-like-spam.boxmail.com John David Galt jdsouza@nygate.undp.org Joao de Souza jeffery.hunt@ns.sympatico.ca Jeffery D. Hunt jeriwho@pipeline.com Jeri Massi jg3@st-andrews.ac.uk Jeremy Gauntlett-Gilbert jimodom@erols.com Jim Odom jjanicik@execpc.com Jim Janicik jkeenan@tiac.net James F. Keenan jnay@intface.com Jay Nayegandhi joezone@pipeline.com Joseph Giacco John.Sluder@PSS.Boeing.com John Sluder John_Price@chiinc.com John Price jpatokal@cc.hut.fi Jani Patokallio jpc@drum.msfc.nasa.gov J. Porter Clark jtnichol@indiana.edu Jim Nichols jtpatterson@msmail2.hac.com James T. Patterson ju26+@andrew.cmu.edu Jeffry Urban julesd@fwb.gulf.net Jules Dubois jwalters@clark.net Jim Walters jwave@jwave.net John Jenkel kai@mailer1.mpib-tuebingen.mpg.de Witte, Kai Erik kari.taura@uta.fi Kari Taura keltoi@atl.mindspring.com Curtis Mills ken@iways.com Ken Powell kevinf@luna.co.uk Kevin Flood kfrance@toto.csustan.edu Kevin P. France khill@fpmx.com Kevin Hill Kiaimac@aol.com Karen Zeleznik kim@csc.canberra.edu.au Kim Holburn Kjartan.Clausen@ii.uib.no Kjartan Clausen KLaroch@aol.com Karine Larochelle lauri.karppinen@helsinki.fi Lauri Karppinen lawe6545@student.uu.se Lars Westergren leslies@sos.pwgsc.gc.ca Scott Leslie lfisher@garnet.acns.fsu.edu Linda Fisher lgd450@nwu.edu Angela Guillozet lkfox@gte.net Lisa K Fox lobo@v-wave.com Palikero lode@stekt.oulu.fi Mikko Loytynoja ltatum@lcc.net Luan Tatum lucrezia@mindspring.com Jennifer Ouellette mabzug1@umbc.edu Mordechai T. Abzug macaw@jove.acs.unt.edu Matthew Calvin Weigel maf10@po.cwru.edu Moses Fridman maier@ebs330.eb.uah.edu Mark Maier malclyps@magicnet.net Charles E. Kinney mallis@iastate.edu Robert J. Mallis malmros@shore.net Mary Malmros maney@heathers2.stdio.com Fredrich P. Maney mark.oehrlein@infoadvan.com Mark Oehrlein Marza@aol.com Martha S. Gallagher matt@acrcorp.com Matt Leo matuli_a@marlin.navsea.navy.mil Alex Matulich 03T1 metkat@halcyon.com Russell Harmon Mik9814274@aol.com Michael E. Sheahon mikek@ethos.net Mike Krantz misj@hermes.prog.se Michael Sjoelin mklaes@holyrood.ed.ac.uk Matthias Klaes mlih@earthlink.net Matthew M. Lih mmsigman@ix.netcom.com Mike Sigman mortonr@hursley.ibm.com Rob Morton mrstu@well.com Janet Rosen msoysal@mistik.express.net Mustafa Soysal MS57 msp@vii.com Mark Parratt MSubias@ix.netcom.com Marco S. Subias muggy@jhu.edu Miguel Del Mazo mullen@CES.ACES.UIUC.EDU Anthony J Mullen mursha@alumni.caltech.edu Murali Sharma mwhaught@netwalk.com Michael Haught mwjones@pond.com Michael W. Jones myrvoll@tele.ntnu.no Tor Andre Myrvoll nagaiky@u.washington.edu Karen Nagai nahate@juno.com Keith Clowes neil@lightwork.co.uk Neil Gatenby neneu@aol.com Noelle E. Neu nick@cimio.co.uk Nick Waterman NinjaWix@aol.com Paul Wicks obiwan@planet.eon.net Chris Evans Orb@micron.net W. Orebaugh osborn@socs.uts.edu.au Tom Osborn ostrick@physics.ucsd.edu Jeffrey Ostrick paiyili@fast.net Pai Yili parr@netrunner.net Parr Hesia pasipp@dlc.fi Pasi pvlvnen patric@earthlink.net Patrick Holt Paul.Bernhardt@m.cc.utah.edu Paul Bernhardt paxil@inorth.on.ca Trevor Tymchuk PBOUCHER@novell.com Peter K. Boucher pce@world.std.com Peter C. Everett pczrad@unix.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk ROBIN DAMION Peter.VanZant@PSS.Boeing.com Peter Van Zant peterme@cris.com Michael E. Peter pewatler@cyf-kr.edu.pl Miguel Watler phil@resumix.com Philip Zeigler pimentel@ultranet.com John Pimentel psheridan@mindspring.com Pete Sheridan psmith@BayNetworks.COM Paul D. Smith PSmithLaJ@aol.com paul r smith pvallado@waynesworld.ucsd.edu Paolo Valladolid r.b.lancashire@ncl.ac.uk Richard Lancashire radkins@bga.com Richard Adkins radner@cray.com Lauren B. Radner raholt@nbnet.nb.ca Andrew Holt rahuls+@postbox.ius.cs.cmu.edu Rahul Sukthankar raj.venugopal@utoronto.ca Rajeev Venugopal randy13@texas.net Randy Schaub raph@spacelab.net Raphael Wong rar@csl.sri.com Bob Riemenschneider rem40@csc.canterbury.ac.nz Evan McRae rick@bcm.tmc.edu Richard Miller RIHACZEKPA@afbmd.laafb.af.mil Pete Rihaczek rjpals@netnitco.net Randy Pals rkim@iadfw.net Julia Kim rkovarik@vnet.net Richard F. Kovarik rks@world.std.com Robert Suyemoto Robert.Gunst@poet.de Robert Gunst robert@wrs.com Robert Efroymson RSJoseph@aol.com Robert S. Joseph rufinus@e-math.ams.org J Rufinus r_ortiz@sprynet.com Roberto Ortiz Falagan sal@panix.com Salvatore Denaro sarbani@webspan.net Sarbani Dutta SBIVHN@rulsfb.LeidenUniv.nl Hugo M. Nijhof sbuxton1@maine.rr.com Steve Buxton schan@best.com Stephen Chan ScottSnyder@TheOffice.net Scott Snyder searchpro@engineer.com Clay Stemple sertl@ix.netcom.com Scott Ertl sfqve@scfn.thpl.lib.fl.us George Koehler siebert@rzaix340.rz.uni-leipzig.de Dirk Siebert siforte@aol.com SIForte siforte@ix.netcom.com Sanford Forte sigbjorn.strommen@smedtech.com Sigbjorn simutis@ccnet3.ccnet.com John Simutis slepian@nb.net R. Michael Slepian sog@rmi.net Stephen O. Gombosi spinner@ce.udel.edu Stuart Spinner sprust@netzone.com Steven Rust sps@argonet.co.uk Solomon Paul Sammy stave@ctron.com Joel Stave steffend@glitch.physics.colostate.edu Dave Steffen Steve.Metsker@pscmail.ps.net Steve Metsker steve.reah@virgin.net Steve Reah Steve.Smith@ottawa.com Kenneth Stephen Smith stoddard@zko.dec.com Peter E, Stoddard stsai@husc.harvard.edu S-C K Tsai swcxt@boco.co.gov Shane Castle T.Barry@bath.ac.uk Trevor Barry tburns@utelco.tds.net Timothy J. Burns tcg3j@cs.virginia.edu Tim Gion tellner@cs.pdx.edu Todd Ellner Terry.Flanagan@lairbbs.co.za Terry Flanagan thomcat@ravine.binary.net Thomas Howard thornock@xmission.com Gary D. Thornock TimothyDRoot@chicago.avenew.com Timothy D Root tindall@panix.com Bruce Tindall toly@wrq.com Anatoly Menn toman@marge.cyber-dyne.com Joseph J. Toman tome@madvax.mo.ti.com Tom Elrod tore@ibg.uu.se Tore Eriksson towl0008@tc.umn.edu John R. Towler tpoole@prodigy.net Tom Poole ttamasu@netscape.com Takashi Tamasu tvalesky@patriot.net Tom Valesky twcdte@dante.lbl.gov Terry Chan uwe@weber.minda.de Uwe Weber v-bernas@microsoft.com Berna Slikker valdesrj@mindless.com Rich Valdes variable@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu Richard H Kim vgiana@cscs.ch Valerio Gianascio W.Koster@rc.rug.nl Willem Koster wboag@c2t.com William Boag weishaar@cig.mot.com Michael Weishaar wiesiek@hum.amu.edu.pl Wieslaw RZADEK willday@rom.oit.gatech.edu Will Day william_david.green@virgin.net Dave Green wmcclain@salamander.com Bill McClain wpwood@pswtech.com Bill Woodward wreth1@gl.umbc.edu William Reth Jr wsj10@aol.com William Jones wtanksle@sdcc10.ucsd.edu William Tanksley www.coordi.com@worldnet.att.net Tomas Ivers Voted No ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- booda@datasync.com Martin H. Booda brainstorms@mail.geocities.com sarah green chriseb@nortel.ca Chris Ebenezer cons@cbmi.upmc.edu Constantin Aliferis dashms@webpg.net Michael Dash david.lecin@worldnet.att.net David Zvi Lecin dballard@cs.com Don Ballard djed@juno.com Geronimo Mockingbird fyodor@nas.nasa.gov Chris Kuszmaul gpr96002@uconnvm.uconn.edu G.P. Ryan jesp@intercable.net Jesus Eugenio Sanchez jkramer1@swarthmore.edu Joshua Kramer natalie@col.hp.com Natalie Ramsey olav@viking.mv.com Olav Nieuwejaar patl@lcs.mit.edu Patrick J. LoPresti raymail@hpwsrt.cup.hp.com Ray Terry red@rahul.net Red America stainles@bga.com Dwight Brown steiners@primenet.com Jason Steiner TravIsGod@aol.com Travis J. McIlvenna Webmaster@maitreya.demon.co.uk SGWM widenius@ling.helsinki.fi Risto Widenius zed@cjnetworks.com Ned Fleming Abstained ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- marquez@pacbell.net Aaron Marquez Votes in error ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- anon.RoniTX@match.com John Clements ! Invalid address case16@pop.erols.com Yun Hyung Kim ! No vote statement in message s930538@student.gu.edu.au Sean Hatton ! No vote statement in message swatkins@mail.enterprise.net Simon Watkins ! No vote statement in message -- Rebecca Graham McQuitty