From rodeomscl@mindspring.com Thu Feb 12 18:30:05 1998 Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back From: rodeomscl Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,misc.health.aids Subject: RFD: soc.support.aids.hiv+ moderated Followup-To: news.groups Message-ID: <887336166.7782@isc.org> Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org Archive-Name: soc.support.aids.hiv+ Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 02:16:06 GMT Lines: 146 Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:9768 news.groups:271473 misc.health.aids:24368 REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD) moderated group soc.support.aids.hiv+ This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for a moderated USENET newsgroup. This is not a Call For Votes (CFV), and you cannot vote at this time. Procedural details are listed below. Please note that this message will be posted to news.groups, and any discussion regarding this RFD should be posted in this newsgroup only. Newsgroup Line: soc.support.aids.hiv+ HIV/AIDS support, references/referrals, experience. (Moderated) RATIONALE: soc.support.aids.hiv+ Soc.support.aids.hiv+ is a newsgroup which will be established for the interaction among persons living with the HIV virus or AIDS, and those who may not be infected with the HIV virus but have messages of support and/or advice for those people who do. Unfortunately, like many other USENET newsgroups, misc.health.aids suffers from excessive postings of spam, off-topic posts and flame wars. Persons living with the virus or the disease itself have enough stress in their lives and don't need to wade through postings that are vindictive, derogatory or abusive in nature. Further, although misc.health.aids and sci.med.aids are other groups where messages regarding AIDS/HIV issues can be posted, they both have either problems or circumstances that would prohibit the types of messages soc.support.aids.hiv+ would encourage. Misc.health.aids is frequently ravaged by messages that perpetuate flame wars, and messages from dissidents that many people living with the HIV virus or AIDS don't care to sort through to get the kind of support or information they really need. Sci.med.aids has, as stated in its FAQ some strong guidelines regarding the length of messages posted, and how much of each original posting must be included in a reply. Soc.support.aids.hiv+ will be a newsgroup free of the off-topic postings and dissident views attributable to the newsgroup misc.health.aids & the guidelines as stated in sci.med.aids FAQ that "We ask that you send one or two line quips as personal email to the original submitter rather than posting." The moderators at soc.support.aids.hiv+ believe that when one person helps another, this can also prove to be helpful to others who may have the same question and therefore would allow for such a posting to be submitted. The following proposal for a new USENET newsgroup which will be moderated is offered. CHARTER: soc.support.aids.hiv+ Establish the newsgroup soc.support.aids.hiv+. All of the moderators will remain adamantly impartial to who is posting & true to the objective of the newly created group: to foster a community where knowledge can be shared among posters to the group to support, edify and educate those who read the messages in the newly created group Examples of messages that would be rejected are those which include inflammatory comments directed at one or more persons, responses or messages having nothing to do with aids, messages that presuppose or assert the virus doesn't exist - misc.health.aids exists for such dissident, and those messages having nothing to do with the main objective of the group. Also long, quoted material such as articles from medical journals, study results, etc. should be posted in the form of links to the articles or studies, with a brief summary of what the article or study is about. Advertisements would also be rejected. Articles will first be sent through a robot randomizer. To avoid the criticism of having a robot moderator setup by one person with their own opinions of what's proper and what's not, a randomizer will be used instead of a robomoderator. The randomizer will alternate among the moderators so that each moderator receives his/her equal share of messages. Should any message posted fail to meet the criteria set forth in this charter, it will be to the moderator's discretion to reject the article or ask the opinion of the other moderators regarding the messages disposition. On rejection of the posting, the moderator will notify the author of the original message by email. This notification will include the following: - Notification that the article has been rejected and for what reason; - Instructions on how to contact the moderating panel directly for clarification as to why the posting was rejected; - Instructions on how to contact another moderator for review of the article and why it was rejected No specific time frame is assured or guaranteed for the processing of messages, however we expect that most submittals will be processed within a 24-48 hour period from the date a message is submitted for posting to the newsgroup. The moderators are volunteers and as such they are doing this on their own time - please be considerate of their need for personal time. END CHARTER. MODERATOR INFO: soc.support.aids.hiv+ MODERATOR - Submission Address: To Be Announced The randomizer will forward each incoming message to one of four moderators on the team. The initial members of the team are: Moderator: Ted C. Gancarz - Primary Moderator Moderator: Ian Baird Moderator: Dr. Frank Greenberg, M.D. Moderator: Mark Tangard Members of the team may change or be added before the Call For Votes (CFV). The number of members of the moderating team will be no fewer than 3 or more than 5. Should a moderator leave the group for any reason, or circumstances occur that will not allow for the minimum number of moderators, applications for moderators will be accepted and reviewed by the existing moderating board. The newsgroup will continue while the search for another moderator is initiated. Should the actions of any member of the moderating team be brought to question, a moderator will be removed by a majority vote of the remaining members on the moderating board. END MODERATOR INFO. PROCEDURE: This is a Request For Discussion (RFD) not a Call For Votes (CFV). In this phase of the process, any potential problems with the proposed newsgroup should be raised and resolved. The discussion period will continue for a period of at least 21 days not to exceed 28 days from the date this RFD was first posted to the newsgroup news.announce.newgroups, after which a Call For Votes (CFV) will be posted by a neutral vote taker if the discussion warrants it. No votes will be taken until the CFV is announced. All discussions regarding this proposal should be posted to news.groups. DISTRIBUTION: news.groups news.announce.newgroups misc.health.aids sci.med.aids All messages regarding this proposal should be directed to the group news.groups, the newsgroup responsible for the discussion of proposals regarding new newsgroups. When a Call For Votes (CFV) is issued, it will be posted to all the aforementioned newsgroups. Proponent: Ted C. Gancarz From rodeomscl@mindspring.com Mon Feb 16 12:30:08 1998 Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back From: rodeomscl Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,misc.health.aids Subject: 2nd RFD: soc.support.aids-hiv+ moderated Followup-To: news.groups Message-ID: <887660249.8898@isc.org> Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org Archive-Name: soc.support.aids-hiv+ Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 20:17:30 GMT Lines: 178 Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:9785 news.groups:271814 misc.health.aids:24520 REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD) moderated group soc.support.aids-hiv+ This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for a moderated USENET newsgroup. This is not a Call For Votes (CFV), and you cannot vote at this time. Procedural details are listed below. Please note that this message will be posted to news.groups, and any discussion regarding this RFD should be posted in this newsgroup only. Newsgroup Line: soc.support.aids-hiv+ HIV/AIDS support, references/referrals, help/advice. (Moderated) CHANGES from previous RFD: Name changed. RATIONALE: soc.support.aids-hiv+ Although misc.health.aids and sci.med.aids are other groups where messages regarding AIDS/HIV issues can be posted, they both have either problems or circumstances that would prohibit the types of messages soc.support.aids-hiv+ would encourage. Misc.health.aids is frequently ravaged by messages that perpetuate flame wars, and messages from dissidents that many people living with the HIV virus or AIDS don't care to sort through to get the kind of support or information they really need. Sci.med.aids has, as stated in its FAQ some strong guidelines regarding the length of messages posted, and how much of each original posting must be included in a reply. Soc.support.aids-hiv+ will be a newsgroup free of the off-topic postings and dissident views attributable to the newsgroup misc.health.aids & the guidelines as stated in sci.med.aids FAQ that "We ask that you send one or two line quips as personal email to the original submitter rather than posting." The moderators at soc.support.aids-hiv+ believe that when one person helps another, this can also prove to be helpful to others who may have the same question and therefore would allow for such a posting to be submitted. The following proposal for a new USENET newsgroup which will be moderated is offered. CHARTER: soc.support.aids-hiv+ Establish the newsgroup soc.support.aids-hiv+. Soc.support.aids-hiv+ is a newsgroup which will be established for the interaction among persons living with the HIV virus or AIDS, friends and family of persons living with AIDS or who are infected by the HIV virus and those who may not be infected with the HIV virus but have messages of support and/or advice for those people who do. Unfortunately, like many other USENET newsgroups, misc.health.aids suffers from excessive postings of spam, off-topic posts and flame wars. Persons living with the virus or the disease itself have enough stress in their lives and don't need to wade through postings that are vindictive, derogatory or abusive in nature. All of the moderators will remain adamantly impartial to who is posting & true to the objective of the newly created group: to foster a community where knowledge can be shared among posters to the group to support, edify and educate those who read the messages in the newly created group Examples of messages that would be rejected are those which include inflammatory comments directed at one or more persons, responses or messages having nothing to do with aids, messages that presuppose or assert the virus doesn't exist - misc.health.aids exists for such dissident postings, and those messages having nothing to do with the main objective of the group. Also long, quoted material such as articles from medical journals, study results, etc. should be posted in the form of links to the articles or studies, with a brief summary of what the article or study is about. Certain types of advertisements would also be rejected. Examples of advertisements that would be rejected are those promising certain guaranteed results like "viral load reduced by almost 50% guaranteed when you use our product" or viatical settlement advertisements. Ads announcing newly established web sites that would prove beneficial to those with HIV or AIDS would be accepted, but only after the site has been checked out by a moderator first, to assure the site is what it claims to be. Messages stating that a person uses "Dr. John Smith's Cream" for treatment of a certain condition would be allowed. This is how people learn about what other people are doing that might be successful for them as well. Postings by anonymous senders are of course welcomed. Knowing that there still exists, even after several years, too much ignorance and prejudice in society it's understandable that someone would want to protect themselves and/or their families. Articles will first be sent through a robot randomizer. To avoid the criticism of having a robot moderator setup by one person with their own opinions of what's proper and what's not, a randomizer will be used instead of a robomoderator. The randomizer will alternate among the moderators so that each moderator receives his/her equal share of messages. Should any message posted fail to meet the criteria set forth in this charter, it will be to the moderator's discretion to reject the article or ask the opinion of the other moderators regarding the messages disposition. On rejection of the posting, the moderator will notify the author of the original message by email. This notification will include the following: * Notification that the article has been rejected and for what reason; * Instructions on how to contact the moderating panel directly for clarification as to why the posting was rejected; * Instructions on how to contact another moderator for review of the article and why it was rejected No specific time frame is assured or guaranteed for the processing of messages, however we expect that most submittals will be processed within a 24-48 hour period from the date a message is submitted for posting to the newsgroup. The moderators are volunteers and as such they are doing this on their own time - please be considerate of their need for personal time. END CHARTER. MODERATOR INFO: soc.support.aids-hiv+ Submission Address: To Be Announced The randomizer will forward each incoming message to one of four moderators on the team. The initial members of the team are: Moderator: Ted C. Gancarz - Primary Moderator Moderator: Ian Baird Moderator: Dr. Frank Greenberg, M.D. Moderator: Mark Tangard Members of the team may change or be added before the Call For Votes (CFV). The number of members of the moderating team will be no fewer than 3 or more than 5. Should a moderator leave the group for any reason, or circumstances occur that will not allow for the minimum number of moderators, applications for moderators will be accepted and reviewed by the existing moderating board. The newsgroup will continue while the search for another moderator is initiated. Should the actions of any member of the moderating team be brought to question, a moderator will be removed by a majority vote of the remaining members on the moderating board. END MODERATOR INFO. PROCEDURE: This is a Request For Discussion (RFD) not a Call For Votes (CFV). In this phase of the process, any potential problems with the proposed newsgroup should be raised and resolved. The discussion period will continue for a period of at least 21 days not to exceed 28 days from the date this RFD was first posted to the newsgroup news.announce.newgroups, after which a Call For Votes (CFV) will be posted by a neutral vote taker if the discussion warrants it. No votes will be taken until the CFV is announced. All discussions regarding this proposal should be posted to news.groups. DISTRIBUTION news.groups news.announce.newgroups misc.health.aids sci.med.aids All messages regarding this proposal should be directed to the group news.groups, the newsgroup responsible for the discussion of proposals regarding new newsgroups. When a Call For Votes (CFV) is issued, it will be posted to all the aforementioned newsgroups. Proponent: Ted C. Gancarz From bmailman@hooked.deleeetemeee.net Thu Apr 16 03:00:14 1998 Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back From: Brian Mailman Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,misc.health.aids Subject: 3rd RFD: soc.support.aids-hiv+ moderated Followup-To: news.groups Message-ID: <892720318.25367@isc.org> Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org Archive-Name: soc.support.aids-hiv+ Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 09:51:58 GMT Lines: 177 Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:9966 news.groups:278653 misc.health.aids:26581 REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD) moderated group soc.support.aids-hiv+ This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for a moderated USENET newsgroup. This is not a Call For Votes (CFV), and you cannot vote at this time. Procedural details are listed below. Please note that all discussion regarding this RFD take place in the newsgroup news.groups. Newsgroup Line: soc.support.aids-hiv+ HIV/AIDS support, references/referrals, help/advice. (Moderated) CHANGES from previous RFD: CHARTER changes have been made to more clearly specify what articles are acceptable and/or unacceptable. RATIONALE changes have been made to clarify focus of group. MODERATION POLICY changes have been made to include the use of a robomoderator, along with the addition of new members of the moderation panel. RATIONALE: soc.support.aids-hiv+ Although other groups exist where articles about HIV/AIDS issues may be posted, various problems or circumstances have a tendency to prohibit or discourage the types of articles that soc.support.aids-hiv+ would encourage. Continuous moderation of soc.support.aids-hiv+ would ensure substantial freedom from the spam, flame wars, and AIDS-dissident postings that exist in other groups, rendering them far less useful than they could be. The rather technical tone of sci.med.aids (the only other moderated newsgroup about HIV/AIDS) may tend to discourage purely support-oriented postings. Newcomers looking for a support-oriented USENET forum on AIDS/HIV may hesitate before posting to sci.med.aids because its location in the sci.* hierarchy implies a focus on the science of HIV/AIDS rather than support. The following proposal for a new moderated USENET group is offered below. CHARTER: soc.support.aids-hiv+ Soc.support.aids-hiv+ is a newsgroup which will be established for interaction among people living with the HIV virus or AIDS. Friends and family of these people would also be welcome to post if they have questions or issues relating to the support of a person living with AIDS or HIV. This newsgroup is not intended for the support of those who are grieving or mourning the loss of someone they knew who had AIDS. Postings of this nature may should be submitted to a more appropriate forum, such as newsgroups or mailing lists which focus on this topic. If they require immediate attention, the moderators will refer them to appropriate resources. During the growth of this group, we hope to build a FAQ which will include some of these resources. Although the primary focus of the group is messages of support to and from people with the HIV virus, articles from caregivers such as "I'm really burning out taking care of _____ at home. I feel _______ about it. Does anyone have any suggestions?" would be allowed as some posters or readers of the group may have personal experience or suggestions that could help someone in such a situation. Resources for caregivers will also be included in the FAQ. People using spamblocked email addresses will be expected to provide a way to remove the spamblock if they expect an email response. Examples of articles that would be rejected are those which include inflammatory or abusive comments directed at one or more people, responses or articles having nothing to do with AIDS, and articles that assert the virus doesn't exist. In addition, extended articles (entire journal articles, new medication study results) are best suited for sci.med.aids. Such articles may be referred to that newsgroup. Crossposted articles will not be accepted. Certain types of advertisements would also be rejected, in particular those promising miracle cures or offers of viatical settlements. Articles announcing newly established web sites that would prove beneficial to those with HIV or AIDS would be accepted, but only after the site has first been reviewed by a moderator to assure the site is what the poster claims it to be. A disclaimer will be included in the Posting Guidelines to the effect of "Any suggestions as to treatment or use of certain therapies by posters to this newsgroup are not endorsed by soc.support.aids-hiv+; should anyone follow these suggestions, it is done at one's own risk. Postings by anonymous senders are, of course, welcomed; knowing that too much ignorance and prejudice still exist in society, even after so many years, it is understandable that some people would wish to protect themselves and/or their families. Articles regarding the use of complementary or alternative medicines or therapies (for example: herbs, acupuncture, massage, aromatherapy, theraputic touch, etc.) would be welcomed. MODERATION INFORMATION Articles will first be sent through a robomoderator. The robomoderator will handle the initial screening of the articles. Further information regarding how the robomoderator operates may be found at http://www.algebra.com/~ichudov/usenet/scrm/robomod/robomod.html Should any article posted fail to meet the criteria set forth in this charter, it will be at the moderator's discretion to reject the article or refer it to the moderation board for disposition. Should the moderator or moderators elect to reject an article, the author of the article will be notified by email. This notification will include the following: *The reason or reasons for the rejection *Information regarding the appeals process, should the poster disagree with the decision of the moderator(s). No specific time frame is assured or guaranteed for the processing of articles; however, we expect that most submissions will be processed within a 24-48 hour period. The robomoderator will forward each referred incoming article to one of the moderators on the team. Members of the moderation team may change or be added before the Call For Votes (CFV). Should a moderator leave the group for any reason, applications for moderators will be accepted and reviewed by the existing moderating panel. The newsgroup will continue to function while the search for a replacement moderator is conducted. Should the actions of any of the moderators be brought to question, an investigation into the matter will be conducted. A moderator will be removed by a supermajority vote of the members on the moderating panel following an investigation into the matter. END CHARTER. MODERATOR INFO: soc.support.aids-hiv+ Submission Address: To Be Announced The initial members of the team are: Head Moderator: Brian Mailman Moderator: Ted C. Gancarz Moderator: David A. Howard Moderator: Joe Thomas Backup Moderator: Debbie Lampon Backup Moderator: Benny F.P. Sevilla END MODERATOR INFO. PROCEDURE: This is a Request For Discussion (RFD), not a Call For Votes (CFV). In this phase of the process, any potential problems with the proposed newsgroup should be raised and resolved. The discussion period will continue for a period of at least 21 days not to exceed 28 days from the date this RFD was first posted to the newsgroup news.announce.newgroups, after which a Call For Votes (CFV) will be posted by a neutral vote taker if the discussion warrants it. No votes will be taken until the CFV is announced. All discussions regarding this proposal should be posted to news.groups. DISTRIBUTION: news.announce.newgroups news.groups misc.health.aids sci.med.aids (Moderator has requested this be posted under separate cover) When a Call For Votes (CFV) is issued, it will be posted to all the aforementioned newsgroups. Proponent: Ted C. Gancarz Proponent: Brian Mailman Proponent: David A. Howard From neilc@stanford.edu Tue Jun 9 17:15:05 1998 Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back From: Neil Crellin Reply-To: voting@uvv.stanford.edu Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,misc.health.aids Subject: CFV: soc.support.aids-hiv+ moderated Followup-To: poster Message-ID: <897436821.29018@isc.org> References: <887336166.7782@isc.org> <887660249.8898@isc.org> <892720318.25367@isc.org> Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org Expires: 2 Jul 1998 00:00:00 GMT Archive-Name: soc.support.aids-hiv+ Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 00:00:21 GMT Lines: 211 Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:10186 news.groups:287399 misc.health.aids:28516 FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2) moderated group soc.support.aids-hiv+ This CFV is to be distributed only by the votetaker. It is not to be posted to newsgroups, or mailed to mailing lists or individuals, except by the votetaker. Ballots or CFVs provided by anyone else will be invalid. Newsgroups line: soc.support.aids-hiv+ Messages to and from people living with HIV. (Moderated) Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 1 Jul 1998. This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. Questions about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent. Proponent: Ted Gancarz Proponent: Brian Mailman Proponent: David Howard Votetaker: Neil Crellin RATIONALE: soc.support.aids-hiv+ Although other groups exist where articles about HIV/AIDS issues may be posted, various problems or circumstances have a tendency to prohibit or discourage the types of articles that soc.support.aids-hiv+ would encourage. Continuous moderation of soc.support.aids-hiv+ would ensure substantial freedom from the spam, flame wars, and AIDS-dissident postings that exist in other groups, rendering them far less useful than they could be. The rather technical tone of sci.med.aids (the only other moderated newsgroup about HIV/AIDS) may tend to discourage purely support-oriented postings. Newcomers looking for a support-oriented USENET forum on AIDS/HIV may hesitate before posting to sci.med.aids because its location in the sci.* hierarchy implies a focus on the science of HIV/AIDS rather than support. CHARTER: soc.support.aids-hiv+ Soc.support.aids-hiv+ is a newsgroup which will be established for interaction among people living with the HIV virus or AIDS. Friends and family of these people would also be welcome to post if they have questions or issues relating to the support of a person living with AIDS or HIV. This newsgroup is not intended for the support of those who are grieving or mourning the loss of someone they knew who had AIDS. Postings of this nature may should be submitted to a more appropriate forum, such as newsgroups or mailing lists which focus on this topic. If they require immediate attention, the moderators will refer them to appropriate resources. During the growth of this group, we hope to build a FAQ which will include some of these resources. Although the primary focus of the group is to be messages of support to and from people infected with the HIV virus, articles from caregivers such as "I'm really burning out taking care of _____ at home. I feel _______ about it. Does anyone have any suggestions?" would be allowed as some posters or readers of the group may have personal experience or suggestions that could help someone in such a situation. Resources for caregivers will also be included in the FAQ. People using spamblocked email addresses will be expected to provide a way to remove the spamblock if they expect an email response. Examples of articles that would be rejected are those which include inflammatory or abusive comments directed at one or more people, responses or articles having nothing to do with AIDS, and articles that assert the virus doesn't exist. In addition, extended articles (entire journal articles, new medication study results) are best suited for sci.med.aids. Such articles may be referred to that newsgroup. Crossposted articles will not be accepted. Certain types of advertisements would also be rejected, in particular those promising miracle cures or offers of viatical settlements. Articles would be accepted announcing newly established web sites that would prove beneficial to those with HIV or AIDS would be accepted, but only after the site has first been reviewed by a moderator to assure the site is what the poster claims it to be. A disclaimer will be included in the Posting Guidelines to the effect of "Any suggestions as to treatment or use of certain therapies by posters to this newsgroup are not endorsed by soc.support.aids-hiv+; should anyone follow these suggestions, it is done at one's own risk." Postings by anonymous senders are, of course, welcomed; knowing that too much ignorance and prejudice still exist in society, even after so many years, it is understandable that some people would wish to protect themselves and/or their families. Articles regarding the use of complementary or alternative medicines or therapies (for example: herbs, acupuncture, massage, aromatherapy, therapeutic touch, etc.) would be welcomed. Articles will first be sent through a robomoderator. The robomoderator will handle the initial screening of the articles. Further information regarding how the robomoderator operates may be found at http://www.algebra.com/~ichudov/stump/ Should any article posted fail to meet the criteria set forth in this charter, it will be at the moderator's discretion to reject the article or refer it to the moderation board for disposition. Should the moderator or moderators elect to reject an article, the author of the article will be notified by email. This notification will include the following: *The reason or reasons for the rejection *Information regarding the appeals process, should the poster disagree with the decision of the moderator(s). END CHARTER. MODERATOR INFO: soc.support.aids-hiv+ Moderator: Brian Mailman Moderator: "David A. Howard" Moderator: Joe Thomas Moderator: Debbie Lampon Moderator: "Benny F.P. Sevilla" Administrative contact address: ssah-board@zorch.sf-bay.org Article submission address: ssah-submit@stump.algebra.com END MODERATOR INFO. IMPORTANT VOTING PROCEDURE NOTES: READ THIS BEFORE VOTING The purpose of a Usenet vote is to determine the genuine interest in reading the proposed newsgroup, and soliciting votes from uninterested parties defeats this purpose. Do *not* distribute this CFV; intead, direct people to the official CFV as posted to news.announce.newgroups. Distributing specific voting instructions or pre-marked copies of this CFV is considered vote fraud. This is a public vote: All email addresses, names and votes will be listed in the final RESULT post. The name used may be either a real name or an established Usenet handle. At most one vote is allowed per person or per account. Duplicate votes will be resolved in favor of the most recent valid vote. Voters must mail their ballots directly to the votetaker. Anonymous, forwarded, or proxy votes are not valid, nor are votes mailed from WWW/HTML/CGI forms (which should not exist). Votes from nonexistent accounts are also invalid, and the votetaker will reject any "munged" address he cannot decipher immediately. Please direct any questions to the votetaker at . HOW TO VOTE: Extract the ballot from the CFV by deleting everything before and after the "BEGINNING OF BALLOT" and "END OF BALLOT" lines. Don't worry about the spacing of the columns or any quote characters (">") that your reply inserts. Please, DO NOT send the entire CFV back to me! Fill in the ballot as shown below. Please provide your REAL NAME and indicate your desired vote in the appropriate locations inside the ballot. Examples of how to properly indicate your vote: [ YES ] example.yes.vote [ NO ] example.no.vote [ ABSTAIN ] example.abstention [ CANCEL ] example.cancellation DO NOT modify, alter or delete any information in this ballot! If you do, the voting software will probably reject your ballot. When finished, MAIL the ballot to: < voting@uvv.stanford.edu > Just "replying" to this message should work, but check the "To:" line. If you do not receive an acknowledgment of your vote within three days contact the votetaker about the problem. You are responsible for reading your ack and making sure your vote is registered correctly. If these instructions are unclear, please consult the Introduction to Usenet Voting or the Usenet Voting FAQ at http://www.stanford.edu/~neilc/uvv. ======== BEGINNING OF BALLOT: Delete everything before this line ======= .----------------------------------------------------------------------- | 1ST CALL FOR VOTES: soc.support.aids-hiv+ | Official Usenet Voting Ballot (Do not remove this line!) |----------------------------------------------------------------------- | Please provide your real name, or your vote may be rejected. Place | ONLY your name (ie. do NOT include your e-mail address or any other | information; ONLY your name) after the colon on the following line: Voter name: | Insert YES, NO, ABSTAIN, or CANCEL inside the brackets for each | newsgroup listed below (do not delete the newsgroup name): Your Vote Newsgroup --------- ----------------------------------------------------------- [ ] soc.support.aids-hiv+ (moderated) ======== END OF BALLOT: Delete everything after this line ============== DISTRIBUTION: Pointers directing readers to this CFV will be posted in these groups: ba.motss soc.motss This CFV was created with uvpq 1.0 (Aug 14 1997). PQ datestamp: 980322 -- Voting address: voting@uvv.stanford.edu From neilc@stanford.edu Sun Jun 21 22:30:05 1998 Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back From: Neil Crellin Reply-To: voting@uvv.stanford.edu Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,misc.health.aids,sci.med.aids Subject: 2nd CFV: soc.support.aids-hiv+ moderated Followup-To: poster Message-ID: <898493013.18262@isc.org> References: <887336166.7782@isc.org> <887660249.8898@isc.org> <892720318.25367@isc.org> <897436821.29018@isc.org> Supersedes: <897436821.29018@isc.org> Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org Expires: 2 Jul 1998 00:00:00 GMT Archive-Name: soc.support.aids-hiv+ Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 05:23:33 GMT Lines: 217 Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:10221 news.groups:288407 misc.health.aids:28898 sci.med.aids:24422 LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2) moderated group soc.support.aids-hiv+ This CFV is to be distributed only by the votetaker. It is not to be posted to newsgroups, or mailed to mailing lists or individuals, except by the votetaker. Ballots or CFVs provided by anyone else will be invalid. Newsgroups line: soc.support.aids-hiv+ Messages to and from people living with HIV. (Moderated) Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 1 Jul 1998. This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. Questions about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent. Proponent: Brian Mailman Proponent: David Howard Votetaker: Neil Crellin RATIONALE: soc.support.aids-hiv+ Although other groups exist where articles about HIV/AIDS issues may be posted, various problems or circumstances have a tendency to prohibit or discourage the types of articles that soc.support.aids-hiv+ would encourage. Continuous moderation of soc.support.aids-hiv+ would ensure substantial freedom from the spam, flame wars, and AIDS-dissident postings that exist in other groups, rendering them far less useful than they could be. The rather technical tone of sci.med.aids (the only other moderated newsgroup about HIV/AIDS) may tend to discourage purely support-oriented postings. Newcomers looking for a support-oriented USENET forum on AIDS/HIV may hesitate before posting to sci.med.aids because its location in the sci.* hierarchy implies a focus on the science of HIV/AIDS rather than support. CHARTER: soc.support.aids-hiv+ Soc.support.aids-hiv+ is a newsgroup which will be established for interaction among people living with the HIV virus or AIDS. Friends and family of these people would also be welcome to post if they have questions or issues relating to the support of a person living with AIDS or HIV. This newsgroup is not intended for the support of those who are grieving or mourning the loss of someone they knew who had AIDS. Postings of this nature may should be submitted to a more appropriate forum, such as newsgroups or mailing lists which focus on this topic. If they require immediate attention, the moderators will refer them to appropriate resources. During the growth of this group, we hope to build a FAQ which will include some of these resources. Although the primary focus of the group is to be messages of support to and from people infected with the HIV virus, articles from caregivers such as "I'm really burning out taking care of _____ at home. I feel _______ about it. Does anyone have any suggestions?" would be allowed as some posters or readers of the group may have personal experience or suggestions that could help someone in such a situation. Resources for caregivers will also be included in the FAQ. People using spamblocked email addresses will be expected to provide a way to remove the spamblock if they expect an email response. Examples of articles that would be rejected are those which include inflammatory or abusive comments directed at one or more people, responses or articles having nothing to do with AIDS, and articles that assert the virus doesn't exist. In addition, extended articles (entire journal articles, new medication study results) are best suited for sci.med.aids. Such articles may be referred to that newsgroup. Crossposted articles will not be accepted. Certain types of advertisements would also be rejected, in particular those promising miracle cures or offers of viatical settlements. Articles would be accepted announcing newly established web sites that would prove beneficial to those with HIV or AIDS would be accepted, but only after the site has first been reviewed by a moderator to assure the site is what the poster claims it to be. A disclaimer will be included in the Posting Guidelines to the effect of "Any suggestions as to treatment or use of certain therapies by posters to this newsgroup are not endorsed by soc.support.aids-hiv+; should anyone follow these suggestions, it is done at one's own risk." Postings by anonymous senders are, of course, welcomed; knowing that too much ignorance and prejudice still exist in society, even after so many years, it is understandable that some people would wish to protect themselves and/or their families. Articles regarding the use of complementary or alternative medicines or therapies (for example: herbs, acupuncture, massage, aromatherapy, therapeutic touch, etc.) would be welcomed. Articles will first be sent through a robomoderator. The robomoderator will handle the initial screening of the articles. Further information regarding how the robomoderator operates may be found at http://www.algebra.com/~ichudov/stump/ Should any article posted fail to meet the criteria set forth in this charter, it will be at the moderator's discretion to reject the article or refer it to the moderation board for disposition. Should the moderator or moderators elect to reject an article, the author of the article will be notified by email. This notification will include the following: *The reason or reasons for the rejection *Information regarding the appeals process, should the poster disagree with the decision of the moderator(s). END CHARTER. MODERATOR INFO: soc.support.aids-hiv+ Moderator: Brian Mailman Moderator: "David A. Howard" Moderator: Joe Thomas Moderator: Debbie Lampon Moderator: "Benny F.P. Sevilla" Administrative contact address: ssah-board@zorch.sf-bay.org Article submission address: ssah-submit@stump.algebra.com END MODERATOR INFO. IMPORTANT VOTING PROCEDURE NOTES: READ THIS BEFORE VOTING The purpose of a Usenet vote is to determine the genuine interest in reading the proposed newsgroup, and soliciting votes from uninterested parties defeats this purpose. Do *not* distribute this CFV; intead, direct people to the official CFV as posted to news.announce.newgroups. Distributing specific voting instructions or pre-marked copies of this CFV is considered vote fraud. This is a public vote: All email addresses, names and votes will be listed in the final RESULT post. The name used may be either a real name or an established Usenet handle. At most one vote is allowed per person or per account. Duplicate votes will be resolved in favor of the most recent valid vote. Voters must mail their ballots directly to the votetaker. Anonymous, forwarded, or proxy votes are not valid, nor are votes mailed from WWW/HTML/CGI forms (which should not exist). Votes from nonexistent accounts are also invalid, and the votetaker will reject any "munged" address he cannot decipher immediately. Please direct any questions to the votetaker at . HOW TO VOTE: Extract the ballot from the CFV by deleting everything before and after the "BEGINNING OF BALLOT" and "END OF BALLOT" lines. Don't worry about the spacing of the columns or any quote characters (">") that your reply inserts. Please, DO NOT send the entire CFV back to me! Fill in the ballot as shown below. Please provide your REAL NAME and indicate your desired vote in the appropriate locations inside the ballot. Examples of how to properly indicate your vote: [ YES ] example.yes.vote [ NO ] example.no.vote [ ABSTAIN ] example.abstention [ CANCEL ] example.cancellation DO NOT modify, alter or delete any information in this ballot! If you do, the voting software will probably reject your ballot. When finished, MAIL the ballot to: < voting@uvv.stanford.edu > Just "replying" to this message should work, but check the "To:" line. If you do not receive an acknowledgment of your vote within three days contact the votetaker about the problem. You are responsible for reading your ack and making sure your vote is registered correctly. If these instructions are unclear, please consult the Introduction to Usenet Voting or the Usenet Voting FAQ at http://www.stanford.edu/~neilc/uvv. ======== BEGINNING OF BALLOT: Delete everything before this line ======= .----------------------------------------------------------------------- | 2ND CALL FOR VOTES: soc.support.aids-hiv+ | Official Usenet Voting Ballot (Do not remove this line!) |----------------------------------------------------------------------- | Please provide your real name, or your vote may be rejected. Place | ONLY your name (ie. do NOT include your e-mail address or any other | information; ONLY your name) after the colon on the following line: Voter name: | Insert YES, NO, ABSTAIN, or CANCEL inside the brackets for each | newsgroup listed below (do not delete the newsgroup name): Your Vote Newsgroup --------- ----------------------------------------------------------- [ ] soc.support.aids-hiv+ (moderated) ======== END OF BALLOT: Delete everything after this line ============== DISTRIBUTION: Pointers directing readers to this CFV will be posted in these groups: ba.motss soc.motss soc.support.aids-hiv+ Bounce List - Please contact me about your vote ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- bouvin@daimi.aau.dk Niels Olof Bouvin cuzkarel@pacifier.com Cousin Karel ttyler@XRemXairmail.net Mickael Olliver vev-usenet@no-spam.michvhf.com Vince Vielhaber This CFV was created with uvpq 1.0 (Aug 14 1997). PQ datestamp: 980322 -- Voting address: voting@uvv.stanford.edu From neilc@stanford.edu Mon Jun 22 02:10:13 1998 Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back From: Neil Crellin Reply-To: voting@uvv.stanford.edu Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,misc.health.aids,sci.med.aids Subject: 2nd CFV: soc.support.aids-hiv+ moderated Followup-To: poster Message-ID: <898506610.3253@isc.org> References: <887336166.7782@isc.org> <887660249.8898@isc.org> <892720318.25367@isc.org> <897436821.29018@isc.org> Supersedes: <897436821.29018@isc.org> Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org Expires: 2 Jul 1998 00:00:00 GMT Archive-Name: soc.support.aids-hiv+ Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 05:23:33 GMT Lines: 217 Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:10222 news.groups:288426 misc.health.aids:28910 sci.med.aids:24425 LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2) moderated group soc.support.aids-hiv+ This CFV is to be distributed only by the votetaker. It is not to be posted to newsgroups, or mailed to mailing lists or individuals, except by the votetaker. Ballots or CFVs provided by anyone else will be invalid. Newsgroups line: soc.support.aids-hiv+ Messages to and from people living with HIV. (Moderated) Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 1 Jul 1998. This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. Questions about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent. Proponent: Brian Mailman Proponent: David Howard Votetaker: Neil Crellin RATIONALE: soc.support.aids-hiv+ Although other groups exist where articles about HIV/AIDS issues may be posted, various problems or circumstances have a tendency to prohibit or discourage the types of articles that soc.support.aids-hiv+ would encourage. Continuous moderation of soc.support.aids-hiv+ would ensure substantial freedom from the spam, flame wars, and AIDS-dissident postings that exist in other groups, rendering them far less useful than they could be. The rather technical tone of sci.med.aids (the only other moderated newsgroup about HIV/AIDS) may tend to discourage purely support-oriented postings. Newcomers looking for a support-oriented USENET forum on AIDS/HIV may hesitate before posting to sci.med.aids because its location in the sci.* hierarchy implies a focus on the science of HIV/AIDS rather than support. CHARTER: soc.support.aids-hiv+ Soc.support.aids-hiv+ is a newsgroup which will be established for interaction among people living with the HIV virus or AIDS. Friends and family of these people would also be welcome to post if they have questions or issues relating to the support of a person living with AIDS or HIV. This newsgroup is not intended for the support of those who are grieving or mourning the loss of someone they knew who had AIDS. Postings of this nature may should be submitted to a more appropriate forum, such as newsgroups or mailing lists which focus on this topic. If they require immediate attention, the moderators will refer them to appropriate resources. During the growth of this group, we hope to build a FAQ which will include some of these resources. Although the primary focus of the group is to be messages of support to and from people infected with the HIV virus, articles from caregivers such as "I'm really burning out taking care of _____ at home. I feel _______ about it. Does anyone have any suggestions?" would be allowed as some posters or readers of the group may have personal experience or suggestions that could help someone in such a situation. Resources for caregivers will also be included in the FAQ. People using spamblocked email addresses will be expected to provide a way to remove the spamblock if they expect an email response. Examples of articles that would be rejected are those which include inflammatory or abusive comments directed at one or more people, responses or articles having nothing to do with AIDS, and articles that assert the virus doesn't exist. In addition, extended articles (entire journal articles, new medication study results) are best suited for sci.med.aids. Such articles may be referred to that newsgroup. Crossposted articles will not be accepted. Certain types of advertisements would also be rejected, in particular those promising miracle cures or offers of viatical settlements. Articles would be accepted announcing newly established web sites that would prove beneficial to those with HIV or AIDS would be accepted, but only after the site has first been reviewed by a moderator to assure the site is what the poster claims it to be. A disclaimer will be included in the Posting Guidelines to the effect of "Any suggestions as to treatment or use of certain therapies by posters to this newsgroup are not endorsed by soc.support.aids-hiv+; should anyone follow these suggestions, it is done at one's own risk." Postings by anonymous senders are, of course, welcomed; knowing that too much ignorance and prejudice still exist in society, even after so many years, it is understandable that some people would wish to protect themselves and/or their families. Articles regarding the use of complementary or alternative medicines or therapies (for example: herbs, acupuncture, massage, aromatherapy, therapeutic touch, etc.) would be welcomed. Articles will first be sent through a robomoderator. The robomoderator will handle the initial screening of the articles. Further information regarding how the robomoderator operates may be found at http://www.algebra.com/~ichudov/stump/ Should any article posted fail to meet the criteria set forth in this charter, it will be at the moderator's discretion to reject the article or refer it to the moderation board for disposition. Should the moderator or moderators elect to reject an article, the author of the article will be notified by email. This notification will include the following: *The reason or reasons for the rejection *Information regarding the appeals process, should the poster disagree with the decision of the moderator(s). END CHARTER. MODERATOR INFO: soc.support.aids-hiv+ Moderator: Brian Mailman Moderator: "David A. Howard" Moderator: Joe Thomas Moderator: Debbie Lampon Moderator: "Benny F.P. Sevilla" Administrative contact address: ssah-board@zorch.sf-bay.org Article submission address: ssah-submit@stump.algebra.com END MODERATOR INFO. IMPORTANT VOTING PROCEDURE NOTES: READ THIS BEFORE VOTING The purpose of a Usenet vote is to determine the genuine interest in reading the proposed newsgroup, and soliciting votes from uninterested parties defeats this purpose. Do *not* distribute this CFV; intead, direct people to the official CFV as posted to news.announce.newgroups. Distributing specific voting instructions or pre-marked copies of this CFV is considered vote fraud. This is a public vote: All email addresses, names and votes will be listed in the final RESULT post. The name used may be either a real name or an established Usenet handle. At most one vote is allowed per person or per account. Duplicate votes will be resolved in favor of the most recent valid vote. Voters must mail their ballots directly to the votetaker. Anonymous, forwarded, or proxy votes are not valid, nor are votes mailed from WWW/HTML/CGI forms (which should not exist). Votes from nonexistent accounts are also invalid, and the votetaker will reject any "munged" address he cannot decipher immediately. Please direct any questions to the votetaker at . HOW TO VOTE: Extract the ballot from the CFV by deleting everything before and after the "BEGINNING OF BALLOT" and "END OF BALLOT" lines. Don't worry about the spacing of the columns or any quote characters (">") that your reply inserts. Please, DO NOT send the entire CFV back to me! Fill in the ballot as shown below. Please provide your REAL NAME and indicate your desired vote in the appropriate locations inside the ballot. Examples of how to properly indicate your vote: [ YES ] example.yes.vote [ NO ] example.no.vote [ ABSTAIN ] example.abstention [ CANCEL ] example.cancellation DO NOT modify, alter or delete any information in this ballot! If you do, the voting software will probably reject your ballot. When finished, MAIL the ballot to: < voting@uvv.stanford.edu > Just "replying" to this message should work, but check the "To:" line. If you do not receive an acknowledgment of your vote within three days contact the votetaker about the problem. You are responsible for reading your ack and making sure your vote is registered correctly. If these instructions are unclear, please consult the Introduction to Usenet Voting or the Usenet Voting FAQ at http://www.stanford.edu/~neilc/uvv. ======== BEGINNING OF BALLOT: Delete everything before this line ======= .----------------------------------------------------------------------- | 2ND CALL FOR VOTES: soc.support.aids-hiv+ | Official Usenet Voting Ballot (Do not remove this line!) |----------------------------------------------------------------------- | Please provide your real name, or your vote may be rejected. Place | ONLY your name (ie. do NOT include your e-mail address or any other | information; ONLY your name) after the colon on the following line: Voter name: | Insert YES, NO, ABSTAIN, or CANCEL inside the brackets for each | newsgroup listed below (do not delete the newsgroup name): Your Vote Newsgroup --------- ----------------------------------------------------------- [ ] soc.support.aids-hiv+ (moderated) ======== END OF BALLOT: Delete everything after this line ============== DISTRIBUTION: Pointers directing readers to this CFV will be posted in these groups: ba.motss soc.motss soc.support.aids-hiv+ Bounce List - Please contact me about your vote ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- bouvin@daimi.aau.dk Niels Olof Bouvin cuzkarel@pacifier.com Cousin Karel ttyler@XRemXairmail.net Mickael Olliver vev-usenet@no-spam.michvhf.com Vince Vielhaber This CFV was created with uvpq 1.0 (Aug 14 1997). PQ datestamp: 980322 -- Voting address: voting@uvv.stanford.edu From neilc@stanford.edu Mon Jun 22 10:54:00 1998 Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back From: Neil Crellin Reply-To: voting@uvv.stanford.edu Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,misc.health.aids Subject: 2nd CFV: soc.support.aids-hiv+ moderated Followup-To: poster Message-ID: <898537678.21387@isc.org> References: <887336166.7782@isc.org> <887660249.8898@isc.org> <892720318.25367@isc.org> <897436821.29018@isc.org> Supersedes: <898506610.3253@isc.org> Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org Expires: 2 Jul 1998 00:00:00 GMT Archive-Name: soc.support.aids-hiv+ Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 17:47:58 GMT Lines: 217 Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:10223 news.groups:288435 misc.health.aids:28913 LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2) moderated group soc.support.aids-hiv+ This CFV is to be distributed only by the votetaker. It is not to be posted to newsgroups, or mailed to mailing lists or individuals, except by the votetaker. Ballots or CFVs provided by anyone else will be invalid. Newsgroups line: soc.support.aids-hiv+ Messages to and from people living with HIV. (Moderated) Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 1 Jul 1998. This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. Questions about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent. Proponent: Brian Mailman Proponent: David Howard Votetaker: Neil Crellin RATIONALE: soc.support.aids-hiv+ Although other groups exist where articles about HIV/AIDS issues may be posted, various problems or circumstances have a tendency to prohibit or discourage the types of articles that soc.support.aids-hiv+ would encourage. Continuous moderation of soc.support.aids-hiv+ would ensure substantial freedom from the spam, flame wars, and AIDS-dissident postings that exist in other groups, rendering them far less useful than they could be. The rather technical tone of sci.med.aids (the only other moderated newsgroup about HIV/AIDS) may tend to discourage purely support-oriented postings. Newcomers looking for a support-oriented USENET forum on AIDS/HIV may hesitate before posting to sci.med.aids because its location in the sci.* hierarchy implies a focus on the science of HIV/AIDS rather than support. CHARTER: soc.support.aids-hiv+ Soc.support.aids-hiv+ is a newsgroup which will be established for interaction among people living with the HIV virus or AIDS. Friends and family of these people would also be welcome to post if they have questions or issues relating to the support of a person living with AIDS or HIV. This newsgroup is not intended for the support of those who are grieving or mourning the loss of someone they knew who had AIDS. Postings of this nature may should be submitted to a more appropriate forum, such as newsgroups or mailing lists which focus on this topic. If they require immediate attention, the moderators will refer them to appropriate resources. During the growth of this group, we hope to build a FAQ which will include some of these resources. Although the primary focus of the group is to be messages of support to and from people infected with the HIV virus, articles from caregivers such as "I'm really burning out taking care of _____ at home. I feel _______ about it. Does anyone have any suggestions?" would be allowed as some posters or readers of the group may have personal experience or suggestions that could help someone in such a situation. Resources for caregivers will also be included in the FAQ. People using spamblocked email addresses will be expected to provide a way to remove the spamblock if they expect an email response. Examples of articles that would be rejected are those which include inflammatory or abusive comments directed at one or more people, responses or articles having nothing to do with AIDS, and articles that assert the virus doesn't exist. In addition, extended articles (entire journal articles, new medication study results) are best suited for sci.med.aids. Such articles may be referred to that newsgroup. Crossposted articles will not be accepted. Certain types of advertisements would also be rejected, in particular those promising miracle cures or offers of viatical settlements. Articles would be accepted announcing newly established web sites that would prove beneficial to those with HIV or AIDS would be accepted, but only after the site has first been reviewed by a moderator to assure the site is what the poster claims it to be. A disclaimer will be included in the Posting Guidelines to the effect of "Any suggestions as to treatment or use of certain therapies by posters to this newsgroup are not endorsed by soc.support.aids-hiv+; should anyone follow these suggestions, it is done at one's own risk." Postings by anonymous senders are, of course, welcomed; knowing that too much ignorance and prejudice still exist in society, even after so many years, it is understandable that some people would wish to protect themselves and/or their families. Articles regarding the use of complementary or alternative medicines or therapies (for example: herbs, acupuncture, massage, aromatherapy, therapeutic touch, etc.) would be welcomed. Articles will first be sent through a robomoderator. The robomoderator will handle the initial screening of the articles. Further information regarding how the robomoderator operates may be found at http://www.algebra.com/~ichudov/stump/ Should any article posted fail to meet the criteria set forth in this charter, it will be at the moderator's discretion to reject the article or refer it to the moderation board for disposition. Should the moderator or moderators elect to reject an article, the author of the article will be notified by email. This notification will include the following: *The reason or reasons for the rejection *Information regarding the appeals process, should the poster disagree with the decision of the moderator(s). END CHARTER. MODERATOR INFO: soc.support.aids-hiv+ Moderator: Brian Mailman Moderator: "David A. Howard" Moderator: Joe Thomas Moderator: Debbie Lampon Moderator: "Benny F.P. Sevilla" Administrative contact address: ssah-board@zorch.sf-bay.org Article submission address: ssah-submit@stump.algebra.com END MODERATOR INFO. IMPORTANT VOTING PROCEDURE NOTES: READ THIS BEFORE VOTING The purpose of a Usenet vote is to determine the genuine interest in reading the proposed newsgroup, and soliciting votes from uninterested parties defeats this purpose. Do *not* distribute this CFV; intead, direct people to the official CFV as posted to news.announce.newgroups. Distributing specific voting instructions or pre-marked copies of this CFV is considered vote fraud. This is a public vote: All email addresses, names and votes will be listed in the final RESULT post. The name used may be either a real name or an established Usenet handle. At most one vote is allowed per person or per account. Duplicate votes will be resolved in favor of the most recent valid vote. Voters must mail their ballots directly to the votetaker. Anonymous, forwarded, or proxy votes are not valid, nor are votes mailed from WWW/HTML/CGI forms (which should not exist). Votes from nonexistent accounts are also invalid, and the votetaker will reject any "munged" address he cannot decipher immediately. Please direct any questions to the votetaker at . HOW TO VOTE: Extract the ballot from the CFV by deleting everything before and after the "BEGINNING OF BALLOT" and "END OF BALLOT" lines. Don't worry about the spacing of the columns or any quote characters (">") that your reply inserts. Please, DO NOT send the entire CFV back to me! Fill in the ballot as shown below. Please provide your REAL NAME and indicate your desired vote in the appropriate locations inside the ballot. Examples of how to properly indicate your vote: [ YES ] example.yes.vote [ NO ] example.no.vote [ ABSTAIN ] example.abstention [ CANCEL ] example.cancellation DO NOT modify, alter or delete any information in this ballot! If you do, the voting software will probably reject your ballot. When finished, MAIL the ballot to: < voting@uvv.stanford.edu > Just "replying" to this message should work, but check the "To:" line. If you do not receive an acknowledgment of your vote within three days contact the votetaker about the problem. You are responsible for reading your ack and making sure your vote is registered correctly. If these instructions are unclear, please consult the Introduction to Usenet Voting or the Usenet Voting FAQ at http://www.stanford.edu/~neilc/uvv. ======== BEGINNING OF BALLOT: Delete everything before this line ======= .----------------------------------------------------------------------- | 2ND CALL FOR VOTES: soc.support.aids-hiv+ | Official Usenet Voting Ballot (Do not remove this line!) |----------------------------------------------------------------------- | Please provide your real name, or your vote may be rejected. Place | ONLY your name (ie. do NOT include your e-mail address or any other | information; ONLY your name) after the colon on the following line: Voter name: | Insert YES, NO, ABSTAIN, or CANCEL inside the brackets for each | newsgroup listed below (do not delete the newsgroup name): Your Vote Newsgroup --------- ----------------------------------------------------------- [ ] soc.support.aids-hiv+ (moderated) ======== END OF BALLOT: Delete everything after this line ============== DISTRIBUTION: Pointers directing readers to this CFV will be posted in these groups: ba.motss soc.motss soc.support.aids-hiv+ Bounce List - Please contact me about your vote ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- bouvin@daimi.aau.dk Niels Olof Bouvin cuzkarel@pacifier.com Cousin Karel ttyler@XRemXairmail.net Mickael Olliver vev-usenet@no-spam.michvhf.com Vince Vielhaber This CFV was created with uvpq 1.0 (Aug 14 1997). PQ datestamp: 980322 -- Voting address: voting@uvv.stanford.edu From neilc@stanford.edu Mon Jun 22 10:54:01 1998 Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back From: Neil Crellin Reply-To: voting@uvv.stanford.edu Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,misc.health.aids,sci.med.aids Subject: cmsg cancel <898493013.18262@isc.org> Control: cancel <898493013.18262@isc.org> Followup-To: poster Message-ID: <898493013.18262.93020@isc.org> Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org Expires: 2 Jul 1998 00:00:00 GMT Archive-Name: soc.support.aids-hiv+ Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 17:45:00 GMT Lines: 2 Xref: news.isc.org control.cancel:2502897 Cancelled by news.announce.newgroups moderator because it was not approved for sci.med.aids. From neilc@stanford.edu Mon Jun 22 10:54:09 1998 Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back From: Neil Crellin Reply-To: voting@uvv.stanford.edu Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,misc.health.aids,sci.med.aids Subject: cmsg cancel <898506610.3253@isc.org> Control: cancel <898506610.3253@isc.org> Followup-To: poster Message-ID: <898506610.3253.7438@isc.org> Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org Expires: 2 Jul 1998 00:00:00 GMT Archive-Name: soc.support.aids-hiv+ Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 17:45:00 GMT Lines: 2 Xref: news.isc.org control.cancel:2502898 Cancelled by news.announce.newgroups moderator because it was not approved for sci.med.aids. From neilc@stanford.edu Mon Jul 6 12:15:09 1998 Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back From: Neil Crellin Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,misc.health.aids Subject: RESULT: soc.support.aids-hiv+ moderated passes 168:18 Followup-To: news.groups Message-ID: <899751797.29564@isc.org> References: <887336166.7782@isc.org> <887660249.8898@isc.org> <892720318.25367@isc.org> <897436821.29018@isc.org> <898506610.3253@isc.org> Supersedes: <898506610.3253@isc.org> Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org Archive-Name: soc.support.aids-hiv+ Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 19:03:17 GMT Lines: 342 Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:10258 news.groups:289788 misc.health.aids:29724 RESULT moderated group soc.support.aids-hiv+ passes 168:18 There were 168 YES votes and 18 NO votes, for a total of 186 valid votes. There was 1 abstention and 2 invalid ballots. For a group to pass, YES votes must be at least 2/3 of all valid (YES and NO) votes. There must also be at least 100 more YES votes than NO votes. A five day discussion period follows this announcement. If no serious allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the moderator of news.announce.newgroups will create the group shortly thereafter. Newsgroups line: soc.support.aids-hiv+ Messages to and from people living with HIV. (Moderated) The voting period closed at 23:59:59 UTC, 1 Jul 1998. This vote was conducted by a neutral third party. Questions about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent. Proponent: Brian Mailman Proponent: David Howard Votetaker: Neil Crellin RATIONALE: soc.support.aids-hiv+ Although other groups exist where articles about HIV/AIDS issues may be posted, various problems or circumstances have a tendency to prohibit or discourage the types of articles that soc.support.aids-hiv+ would encourage. Continuous moderation of soc.support.aids-hiv+ would ensure substantial freedom from the spam, flame wars, and AIDS-dissident postings that exist in other groups, rendering them far less useful than they could be. The rather technical tone of sci.med.aids (the only other moderated newsgroup about HIV/AIDS) may tend to discourage purely support-oriented postings. Newcomers looking for a support-oriented USENET forum on AIDS/HIV may hesitate before posting to sci.med.aids because its location in the sci.* hierarchy implies a focus on the science of HIV/AIDS rather than support. CHARTER: soc.support.aids-hiv+ Soc.support.aids-hiv+ is a newsgroup which will be established for interaction among people living with the HIV virus or AIDS. Friends and family of these people would also be welcome to post if they have questions or issues relating to the support of a person living with AIDS or HIV. This newsgroup is not intended for the support of those who are grieving or mourning the loss of someone they knew who had AIDS. Postings of this nature may should be submitted to a more appropriate forum, such as newsgroups or mailing lists which focus on this topic. If they require immediate attention, the moderators will refer them to appropriate resources. During the growth of this group, we hope to build a FAQ which will include some of these resources. Although the primary focus of the group is to be messages of support to and from people infected with the HIV virus, articles from caregivers such as "I'm really burning out taking care of _____ at home. I feel _______ about it. Does anyone have any suggestions?" would be allowed as some posters or readers of the group may have personal experience or suggestions that could help someone in such a situation. Resources for caregivers will also be included in the FAQ. People using spamblocked email addresses will be expected to provide a way to remove the spamblock if they expect an email response. Examples of articles that would be rejected are those which include inflammatory or abusive comments directed at one or more people, responses or articles having nothing to do with AIDS, and articles that assert the virus doesn't exist. In addition, extended articles (entire journal articles, new medication study results) are best suited for sci.med.aids. Such articles may be referred to that newsgroup. Crossposted articles will not be accepted. Certain types of advertisements would also be rejected, in particular those promising miracle cures or offers of viatical settlements. Articles would be accepted announcing newly established web sites that would prove beneficial to those with HIV or AIDS would be accepted, but only after the site has first been reviewed by a moderator to assure the site is what the poster claims it to be. A disclaimer will be included in the Posting Guidelines to the effect of "Any suggestions as to treatment or use of certain therapies by posters to this newsgroup are not endorsed by soc.support.aids-hiv+; should anyone follow these suggestions, it is done at one's own risk." Postings by anonymous senders are, of course, welcomed; knowing that too much ignorance and prejudice still exist in society, even after so many years, it is understandable that some people would wish to protect themselves and/or their families. Articles regarding the use of complementary or alternative medicines or therapies (for example: herbs, acupuncture, massage, aromatherapy, therapeutic touch, etc.) would be welcomed. Articles will first be sent through a robomoderator. The robomoderator will handle the initial screening of the articles. Further information regarding how the robomoderator operates may be found at http://www.algebra.com/~ichudov/stump/ Should any article posted fail to meet the criteria set forth in this charter, it will be at the moderator's discretion to reject the article or refer it to the moderation board for disposition. Should the moderator or moderators elect to reject an article, the author of the article will be notified by email. This notification will include the following: *The reason or reasons for the rejection *Information regarding the appeals process, should the poster disagree with the decision of the moderator(s). END CHARTER. MODERATOR INFO: soc.support.aids-hiv+ Moderator: Brian Mailman Moderator: "David A. Howard" Moderator: Joe Thomas Moderator: Debbie Lampon Moderator: "Benny F.P. Sevilla" Administrative contact address: ssah-board@zorch.sf-bay.org Article submission address: ssah-submit@stump.algebra.com END MODERATOR INFO. soc.support.aids-hiv+ Final Voter list Voted YES ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ jasmine [at] fl.net.au Jasmine Taylor rich [at] alcor.concordia.ca Rich Lafferty tboul [at] escape.ca Tammy Boulard eviatar [at] ibd.nrc.ca Hadass Eviatar jankulak [at] freenet.toronto.on.ca Mike Jankulak dmcanzi [at] n3.uwaterloo.ca David Canzi igor [at] Algebra.Com Igor Chudov ChefJeff1 [at] aol.com Jeff Winett ChefJeff1@aol.com desiegel [at] aol.com D. E. Siegel Fk349fj [at] aol.com Frankie Harussell [at] aol.com Hugh Russell MeCorinne [at] aol.com Corinne R. Tribley misssway [at] aol.com Jennifer A. Cummings NinaSalk [at] aol.com Nina Salkin OnQBiz [at] aol.com CHARLES SCHNALL smastr [at] aol.com Sam Masters valeriepg [at] aol.com Valerie Romano cooterx [at] bga.com George Stallsworth verbeek [at] bigfoot.com Todd VerBeek jdg [at] but-i-dont-like-spam.boxmail.com John David Galt mtangard [at] crl.com Mark Tangard mimi [at] cyber-kitchen.com Mimi Hiller eridani [at] databasix.com Belinda gburnore [at] databasix.com Gary L. Burnore booda [at] datasync.com Martin H. Booda guymacon [at] deltanet.com guymacon@deltanet.com (Guy Macon) sophjxl [at] dnai.com Sophie Miron mikel [at] dosbears.com Mike Lipsie syman [at] execpc.com Mark Hagner kpascoe [at] ford.com Kathy Pascoe harter [at] feeding.frenzy.com Sam Hayes Merritt, III curtis_whalen+usenet [at] geocities.com Curtis (Jewell) Whalen dilickjm [at] home.com John Dilick celticwiccan [at] hotmail.com Peter Byron danberkes [at] hotmail.com Dan Berkes vbteach [at] hotmail.com S Delaney evan [at] garrett.hpl.hp.com Evan Kirshenbaum wildwood [at] i-2000.com Hope D. Schraeter annie [at] interlog.com Paula Taft phloem [at] islandnet.com Mike Sugimoto ripple [at] itis.com Roger Lipsey dougob [at] javanet.com D. O'Brien chris [at] kzim.com Christopher Robin Zimmerman chris [at] lodesys.com Chris Daley dee3849 [at] mailexcite.com Dee Jones vev-usenet [at] michvhf.com Vince Vielhaber cipher [at] mindspring.com Cipher franmc [at] mindspring.com Michael J. McGuigan jermanoj [at] mindspring.com John A Jermano scarborough [at] mindspring.com Bill Scarborough olav [at] viking.mv.com Olav Nieuwejaar rzepelaa [at] netaxs.com Anthony J. Rzepela bkeith [at] netcom.com B. Keith Ryder gazissax [at] netcom.com Lynn Gazis-Sax Laura21 [at] ix.netcom.com Laura K. Sunderlin pmarts [at] ix.netcom.com Pepper Marts raifft [at] ix.netcom.com Beth Greenfeld valstark [at] ix.netcom.com Valerie Stark jeev [at] netcom.com Ellen Evans tittle [at] netcom.com Cindy Tittle Moore petersky [at] nwnexus.com Claire Petersky cuzkarel [at] pacifier.com Cousin Karel wbaker [at] panix.com Wendy Baker sharon [at] paonline.com Sharon Odmann rsr3 [at] rsr3ws02.comp.pge.com Bob Russell mra [at] pobox.com Mark Atwood rhys [at] primenet.com Rowan Rhys maya [at] saipan.com Maya B. Kara evergene [at] sirius.com Gene Heller brig [at] spdcc.com Brian Gollum fj [at] spdcc.com F.J. van Wingerde ahall [at] world.std.com Andrew Hall dwolff [at] world.std.com David Wolff psego [at] world.std.com Phillip Sego hood [at] Eng.Sun.COM Mark Hood Dmckeon [at] swcp.com Denis McKeon arielle [at] taronga.com Stephanie da Silva daver [at] teleport.com David Reynolds joele [at] tminet.com Joel Ehrlich dkaye [at] ncal.verio.com David Kaye ssantoro [at] voicetek.com Stefano Santoro bjf [at] wavefront.com Beth Friedman davids [at] wco.com Dave Schreiber sunshine [at] westworld.com Stephanie Lee tresnick [at] women.com Ted Resnick rbparker [at] writeme.com Ron Parker barb [at] altoetting-online.de Dr. Barbara Heller Ekkehard.Uthke [at] gmx.de Ekkehard Uthke naddy [at] mips.rhein-neckar.de Christian Weisgerber sackv [at] uni-duesseldorf.de Victor Sack bouvin [at] daimi.aau.dk Niels Olof Bouvin rajwi [at] engc.bu.edu Rajwinder Singh nmcnelly [at] bu.edu N.A.F. McNelly duane+ [at] andrew.cmu.edu Duane T. Williams jeliza+ [at] red-dwarf.fac.cs.cmu.edu Jeliza Patterson taf2 [at] po.cwru.edu Todd A. Farmerie ahaines [at] indiana.edu Anne Haines tim [at] banquo.csp.ee.memphis.edu Tim Wilson degraaf [at] genome.wi.mit.edu David de Graaf em11 [at] is3.nyu.edu Edward Mathews HOLZMR01 [at] MCRCR6.MED.NYU.EDU ROBERT S. HOLZMAN meg [at] Steam.Stanford.EDU meg worley rick [at] bcm.tmc.edu Richard Miller tachyon [at] cats.ucsc.edu Tane' Tachyon nlacy [at] unlinfo.unl.edu Naomi L. Lacy phos8516 [at] uriacc.uri.edu maxine in ri rufinus [at] mbe.ece.wisc.edu J Rufinus al715 [at] yfn.ysu.edu Tina M. Wood rosenfel [at] club-internet.fr Maurice Rosenfelder franckey [at] imaginet.fr Franckey Rougane philp [at] normandnet.fr Philp jpc [at] drum.msfc.nasa.gov J. Porter Clark heiges [at] post.tau.ac.il Ruth Heiges morasca [at] elet.polimi.it Sandro Morasca cdadair1 [at] airmail.net Cynthia Adair ttyler [at] airmail.net Mickael Olliver tamale [at] aloha.net C Parras dcalhoun [at] BLomand.Net Dennis Dale Calhoun brownsta [at] concentric.net Stan Brown saiga [at] concentric.net Charles L. Gifford jrj [at] access.digex.net Joseph R. Justice geoshaw [at] earthlink.net George E. Shaw maryf [at] earthlink.net Mary Frye maxstern [at] earthlink.net Max Stern tailgate [at] earthlink.net Bobbie Best lexf [at] epix.net Irene Stern Friedman lucas [at] erie.net DonPaul Lucas tsingh [at] gte.net T. Singh uniq97 [at] gte.net Judith K. Lawrence wpmn [at] gtepacifica.net Bruce L. Mailman bmailman [at] hooked.net Brian Mailman lanzyg [at] ibm.net Garrett R. Lanzy ganymede [at] insync.net Greg R. Broderick hartmans [at] mediaone.net Kay Hartman bpsevil [at] pacbell.net Benny Sevilla totototo+newsgroups [at] mail.pacificcoast.net Rodger Whitlock mtschiffer [at] pe.net m t schiffer alexdawson [at] pemail.net Alex Dawson notime [at] pinn.net Vickie Fleming shira [at] qnis.net Shira Rachel Maled carol-arie [at] usa.net CAROL PETERSON fliegel [at] usa.net Birgitta Wade pikboca [at] webtv.net Phyllis Kinsler michael [at] michaeln.demon.nl Michael Nieuwenhuizen david [at] home.net.nz David Farrar rossde [at] acm.org David E. Ross smcneil [at] afsc-pmr.org Stephen McNeil mlw [at] ams.org maxine wolfson vote [at] erle.org Tobias Erle nat [at] nataa.fr.eu.org Nat Makarevitch m.russell [at] iaea.org Marian Russell ronsullivan [at] igc.org Veronica Sullivan peewee [at] scc.mi.org Jason Wright michelle [at] michelle.org Michelle Steiner denebeim [at] deepthot.ml.org Jay Denebeim,,,, zofran [at] deepthot.ml.org Cheryl Martin,,,, ben [at] QueerNet.ORG Ben Gardiner leith [at] QueerNet.ORG Leith Chu rogerk [at] QueerNet.ORG Roger B.A. Klorese djb [at] scream.org Dan Birchall jfh [at] alumni.stanford.org Jack Hamilton andreah [at] utj.org Andrea Herrera ben [at] eexpc.eee.nott.ac.uk Ben Evans lyn [at] stuffing.demon.co.uk Lyn David Thomas Voting [at] valdena.demon.co.uk AST brecon [at] dircon.co.uk Debbie Lampon kenf [at] bcn.boulder.co.us Ken Fricklas Jim.Hayes [at] state.ma.us James Michael Hayes Voted NO ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ yan [at] storm.ca Yves Bellefeuille kimdv [at] best.com Kim DeVaughn stainles [at] bga.com Dwight Brown eab [at] cray.com ed bertsch lcs [at] zk3.dec.com Larry Smith bob149 [at] efortress.com Bob Blanchard tperry [at] efws.com Tom Perry jsd [at] gamespot.com Jon Drukman jason [at] gaydeceiver.com Jason Steiner todd33 [at] ix.netcom.com Todd Miller dc [at] panix.com David W. Crawford kahuna [at] panix.com Andrew Finkenstadt llopis [at] zonker.ecs.umass.edu Noel Llopis pbern7 [at] earthlink.net Paul Bernhardt vpdura [at] hiwaay.net vic dura shaneh [at] texoma.net Shane Hartman simon [at] darkmere.gen.nz Simon Lyall john [at] blackdog.demon.co.uk john@blackdog Abstained ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ephraim [at] ctr.columbia.edu Eric Stieglitz Invalid votes ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ davew [at] walltech.com David Weigel ! Undeliverable address strotz [at] massed.net Susan Trotz ! No vote statement in message -- Neil Crellin, UVV From neilc@stanford.edu Tue Jul 14 05:39:18 1998 Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back From: Neil Crellin Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,misc.health.aids Subject: RESULT: soc.support.aids-hiv+ moderated passes 168:18 Followup-To: news.groups Message-ID: <900419937.10602@isc.org> References: <887336166.7782@isc.org> <887660249.8898@isc.org> <892720318.25367@isc.org> <897436821.29018@isc.org> <898506610.3253@isc.org> Supersedes: <898506610.3253@isc.org> Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org Archive-Name: soc.support.aids-hiv+ Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 19:03:17 GMT Lines: 342 Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:10306 news.groups:290602 misc.health.aids:30286 RESULT moderated group soc.support.aids-hiv+ passes 168:18 There were 168 YES votes and 18 NO votes, for a total of 186 valid votes. There was 1 abstention and 2 invalid ballots. For a group to pass, YES votes must be at least 2/3 of all valid (YES and NO) votes. There must also be at least 100 more YES votes than NO votes. A five day discussion period follows this announcement. If no serious allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the moderator of news.announce.newgroups will create the group shortly thereafter. Newsgroups line: soc.support.aids-hiv+ Messages to and from people living with HIV. (Moderated) The voting period closed at 23:59:59 UTC, 1 Jul 1998. This vote was conducted by a neutral third party. Questions about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent. Proponent: Brian Mailman Proponent: David Howard Votetaker: Neil Crellin RATIONALE: soc.support.aids-hiv+ Although other groups exist where articles about HIV/AIDS issues may be posted, various problems or circumstances have a tendency to prohibit or discourage the types of articles that soc.support.aids-hiv+ would encourage. Continuous moderation of soc.support.aids-hiv+ would ensure substantial freedom from the spam, flame wars, and AIDS-dissident postings that exist in other groups, rendering them far less useful than they could be. The rather technical tone of sci.med.aids (the only other moderated newsgroup about HIV/AIDS) may tend to discourage purely support-oriented postings. Newcomers looking for a support-oriented USENET forum on AIDS/HIV may hesitate before posting to sci.med.aids because its location in the sci.* hierarchy implies a focus on the science of HIV/AIDS rather than support. CHARTER: soc.support.aids-hiv+ Soc.support.aids-hiv+ is a newsgroup which will be established for interaction among people living with the HIV virus or AIDS. Friends and family of these people would also be welcome to post if they have questions or issues relating to the support of a person living with AIDS or HIV. This newsgroup is not intended for the support of those who are grieving or mourning the loss of someone they knew who had AIDS. Postings of this nature may should be submitted to a more appropriate forum, such as newsgroups or mailing lists which focus on this topic. If they require immediate attention, the moderators will refer them to appropriate resources. During the growth of this group, we hope to build a FAQ which will include some of these resources. Although the primary focus of the group is to be messages of support to and from people infected with the HIV virus, articles from caregivers such as "I'm really burning out taking care of _____ at home. I feel _______ about it. Does anyone have any suggestions?" would be allowed as some posters or readers of the group may have personal experience or suggestions that could help someone in such a situation. Resources for caregivers will also be included in the FAQ. People using spamblocked email addresses will be expected to provide a way to remove the spamblock if they expect an email response. Examples of articles that would be rejected are those which include inflammatory or abusive comments directed at one or more people, responses or articles having nothing to do with AIDS, and articles that assert the virus doesn't exist. In addition, extended articles (entire journal articles, new medication study results) are best suited for sci.med.aids. Such articles may be referred to that newsgroup. Crossposted articles will not be accepted. Certain types of advertisements would also be rejected, in particular those promising miracle cures or offers of viatical settlements. Articles would be accepted announcing newly established web sites that would prove beneficial to those with HIV or AIDS would be accepted, but only after the site has first been reviewed by a moderator to assure the site is what the poster claims it to be. A disclaimer will be included in the Posting Guidelines to the effect of "Any suggestions as to treatment or use of certain therapies by posters to this newsgroup are not endorsed by soc.support.aids-hiv+; should anyone follow these suggestions, it is done at one's own risk." Postings by anonymous senders are, of course, welcomed; knowing that too much ignorance and prejudice still exist in society, even after so many years, it is understandable that some people would wish to protect themselves and/or their families. Articles regarding the use of complementary or alternative medicines or therapies (for example: herbs, acupuncture, massage, aromatherapy, therapeutic touch, etc.) would be welcomed. Articles will first be sent through a robomoderator. The robomoderator will handle the initial screening of the articles. Further information regarding how the robomoderator operates may be found at http://www.algebra.com/~ichudov/stump/ Should any article posted fail to meet the criteria set forth in this charter, it will be at the moderator's discretion to reject the article or refer it to the moderation board for disposition. Should the moderator or moderators elect to reject an article, the author of the article will be notified by email. This notification will include the following: *The reason or reasons for the rejection *Information regarding the appeals process, should the poster disagree with the decision of the moderator(s). END CHARTER. MODERATOR INFO: soc.support.aids-hiv+ Moderator: Brian Mailman Moderator: "David A. Howard" Moderator: Joe Thomas Moderator: Debbie Lampon Moderator: "Benny F.P. Sevilla" Administrative contact address: ssah-board@zorch.sf-bay.org Article submission address: ssah-submit@stump.algebra.com END MODERATOR INFO. soc.support.aids-hiv+ Final Voter list Voted YES ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ jasmine [at] fl.net.au Jasmine Taylor rich [at] alcor.concordia.ca Rich Lafferty tboul [at] escape.ca Tammy Boulard eviatar [at] ibd.nrc.ca Hadass Eviatar jankulak [at] freenet.toronto.on.ca Mike Jankulak dmcanzi [at] n3.uwaterloo.ca David Canzi igor [at] Algebra.Com Igor Chudov ChefJeff1 [at] aol.com Jeff Winett ChefJeff1@aol.com desiegel [at] aol.com D. E. Siegel Fk349fj [at] aol.com Frankie Harussell [at] aol.com Hugh Russell MeCorinne [at] aol.com Corinne R. Tribley misssway [at] aol.com Jennifer A. Cummings NinaSalk [at] aol.com Nina Salkin OnQBiz [at] aol.com CHARLES SCHNALL smastr [at] aol.com Sam Masters valeriepg [at] aol.com Valerie Romano cooterx [at] bga.com George Stallsworth verbeek [at] bigfoot.com Todd VerBeek jdg [at] but-i-dont-like-spam.boxmail.com John David Galt mtangard [at] crl.com Mark Tangard mimi [at] cyber-kitchen.com Mimi Hiller eridani [at] databasix.com Belinda gburnore [at] databasix.com Gary L. Burnore booda [at] datasync.com Martin H. Booda guymacon [at] deltanet.com guymacon@deltanet.com (Guy Macon) sophjxl [at] dnai.com Sophie Miron mikel [at] dosbears.com Mike Lipsie syman [at] execpc.com Mark Hagner kpascoe [at] ford.com Kathy Pascoe harter [at] feeding.frenzy.com Sam Hayes Merritt, III curtis_whalen+usenet [at] geocities.com Curtis (Jewell) Whalen dilickjm [at] home.com John Dilick celticwiccan [at] hotmail.com Peter Byron danberkes [at] hotmail.com Dan Berkes vbteach [at] hotmail.com S Delaney evan [at] garrett.hpl.hp.com Evan Kirshenbaum wildwood [at] i-2000.com Hope D. Schraeter annie [at] interlog.com Paula Taft phloem [at] islandnet.com Mike Sugimoto ripple [at] itis.com Roger Lipsey dougob [at] javanet.com D. O'Brien chris [at] kzim.com Christopher Robin Zimmerman chris [at] lodesys.com Chris Daley dee3849 [at] mailexcite.com Dee Jones vev-usenet [at] michvhf.com Vince Vielhaber cipher [at] mindspring.com Cipher franmc [at] mindspring.com Michael J. McGuigan jermanoj [at] mindspring.com John A Jermano scarborough [at] mindspring.com Bill Scarborough olav [at] viking.mv.com Olav Nieuwejaar rzepelaa [at] netaxs.com Anthony J. Rzepela bkeith [at] netcom.com B. Keith Ryder gazissax [at] netcom.com Lynn Gazis-Sax Laura21 [at] ix.netcom.com Laura K. Sunderlin pmarts [at] ix.netcom.com Pepper Marts raifft [at] ix.netcom.com Beth Greenfeld valstark [at] ix.netcom.com Valerie Stark jeev [at] netcom.com Ellen Evans tittle [at] netcom.com Cindy Tittle Moore petersky [at] nwnexus.com Claire Petersky cuzkarel [at] pacifier.com Cousin Karel wbaker [at] panix.com Wendy Baker sharon [at] paonline.com Sharon Odmann rsr3 [at] rsr3ws02.comp.pge.com Bob Russell mra [at] pobox.com Mark Atwood rhys [at] primenet.com Rowan Rhys maya [at] saipan.com Maya B. Kara evergene [at] sirius.com Gene Heller brig [at] spdcc.com Brian Gollum fj [at] spdcc.com F.J. van Wingerde ahall [at] world.std.com Andrew Hall dwolff [at] world.std.com David Wolff psego [at] world.std.com Phillip Sego hood [at] Eng.Sun.COM Mark Hood Dmckeon [at] swcp.com Denis McKeon arielle [at] taronga.com Stephanie da Silva daver [at] teleport.com David Reynolds joele [at] tminet.com Joel Ehrlich dkaye [at] ncal.verio.com David Kaye ssantoro [at] voicetek.com Stefano Santoro bjf [at] wavefront.com Beth Friedman davids [at] wco.com Dave Schreiber sunshine [at] westworld.com Stephanie Lee tresnick [at] women.com Ted Resnick rbparker [at] writeme.com Ron Parker barb [at] altoetting-online.de Dr. Barbara Heller Ekkehard.Uthke [at] gmx.de Ekkehard Uthke naddy [at] mips.rhein-neckar.de Christian Weisgerber sackv [at] uni-duesseldorf.de Victor Sack bouvin [at] daimi.aau.dk Niels Olof Bouvin rajwi [at] engc.bu.edu Rajwinder Singh nmcnelly [at] bu.edu N.A.F. McNelly duane+ [at] andrew.cmu.edu Duane T. Williams jeliza+ [at] red-dwarf.fac.cs.cmu.edu Jeliza Patterson taf2 [at] po.cwru.edu Todd A. Farmerie ahaines [at] indiana.edu Anne Haines tim [at] banquo.csp.ee.memphis.edu Tim Wilson degraaf [at] genome.wi.mit.edu David de Graaf em11 [at] is3.nyu.edu Edward Mathews HOLZMR01 [at] MCRCR6.MED.NYU.EDU ROBERT S. HOLZMAN meg [at] Steam.Stanford.EDU meg worley rick [at] bcm.tmc.edu Richard Miller tachyon [at] cats.ucsc.edu Tane' Tachyon nlacy [at] unlinfo.unl.edu Naomi L. Lacy phos8516 [at] uriacc.uri.edu maxine in ri rufinus [at] mbe.ece.wisc.edu J Rufinus al715 [at] yfn.ysu.edu Tina M. Wood rosenfel [at] club-internet.fr Maurice Rosenfelder franckey [at] imaginet.fr Franckey Rougane philp [at] normandnet.fr Philp jpc [at] drum.msfc.nasa.gov J. Porter Clark heiges [at] post.tau.ac.il Ruth Heiges morasca [at] elet.polimi.it Sandro Morasca cdadair1 [at] airmail.net Cynthia Adair ttyler [at] airmail.net Mickael Olliver tamale [at] aloha.net C Parras dcalhoun [at] BLomand.Net Dennis Dale Calhoun brownsta [at] concentric.net Stan Brown saiga [at] concentric.net Charles L. Gifford jrj [at] access.digex.net Joseph R. Justice geoshaw [at] earthlink.net George E. Shaw maryf [at] earthlink.net Mary Frye maxstern [at] earthlink.net Max Stern tailgate [at] earthlink.net Bobbie Best lexf [at] epix.net Irene Stern Friedman lucas [at] erie.net DonPaul Lucas tsingh [at] gte.net T. Singh uniq97 [at] gte.net Judith K. Lawrence wpmn [at] gtepacifica.net Bruce L. Mailman bmailman [at] hooked.net Brian Mailman lanzyg [at] ibm.net Garrett R. Lanzy ganymede [at] insync.net Greg R. Broderick hartmans [at] mediaone.net Kay Hartman bpsevil [at] pacbell.net Benny Sevilla totototo+newsgroups [at] mail.pacificcoast.net Rodger Whitlock mtschiffer [at] pe.net m t schiffer alexdawson [at] pemail.net Alex Dawson notime [at] pinn.net Vickie Fleming shira [at] qnis.net Shira Rachel Maled carol-arie [at] usa.net CAROL PETERSON fliegel [at] usa.net Birgitta Wade pikboca [at] webtv.net Phyllis Kinsler michael [at] michaeln.demon.nl Michael Nieuwenhuizen david [at] home.net.nz David Farrar rossde [at] acm.org David E. Ross smcneil [at] afsc-pmr.org Stephen McNeil mlw [at] ams.org maxine wolfson vote [at] erle.org Tobias Erle nat [at] nataa.fr.eu.org Nat Makarevitch m.russell [at] iaea.org Marian Russell ronsullivan [at] igc.org Veronica Sullivan peewee [at] scc.mi.org Jason Wright michelle [at] michelle.org Michelle Steiner denebeim [at] deepthot.ml.org Jay Denebeim,,,, zofran [at] deepthot.ml.org Cheryl Martin,,,, ben [at] QueerNet.ORG Ben Gardiner leith [at] QueerNet.ORG Leith Chu rogerk [at] QueerNet.ORG Roger B.A. Klorese djb [at] scream.org Dan Birchall jfh [at] alumni.stanford.org Jack Hamilton andreah [at] utj.org Andrea Herrera ben [at] eexpc.eee.nott.ac.uk Ben Evans lyn [at] stuffing.demon.co.uk Lyn David Thomas Voting [at] valdena.demon.co.uk AST brecon [at] dircon.co.uk Debbie Lampon kenf [at] bcn.boulder.co.us Ken Fricklas Jim.Hayes [at] state.ma.us James Michael Hayes Voted NO ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ yan [at] storm.ca Yves Bellefeuille kimdv [at] best.com Kim DeVaughn stainles [at] bga.com Dwight Brown eab [at] cray.com ed bertsch lcs [at] zk3.dec.com Larry Smith bob149 [at] efortress.com Bob Blanchard tperry [at] efws.com Tom Perry jsd [at] gamespot.com Jon Drukman jason [at] gaydeceiver.com Jason Steiner todd33 [at] ix.netcom.com Todd Miller dc [at] panix.com David W. Crawford kahuna [at] panix.com Andrew Finkenstadt llopis [at] zonker.ecs.umass.edu Noel Llopis pbern7 [at] earthlink.net Paul Bernhardt vpdura [at] hiwaay.net vic dura shaneh [at] texoma.net Shane Hartman simon [at] darkmere.gen.nz Simon Lyall john [at] blackdog.demon.co.uk john@blackdog Abstained ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ephraim [at] ctr.columbia.edu Eric Stieglitz Invalid votes ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ davew [at] walltech.com David Weigel ! Undeliverable address strotz [at] massed.net Susan Trotz ! No vote statement in message -- Neil Crellin, UVV From neilc@stanford.edu Tue Jul 14 06:18:19 1998 Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back From: Neil Crellin Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,misc.health.aids Subject: RESULT: soc.support.aids-hiv+ moderated passes 168:18 Followup-To: news.groups Message-ID: <900422297.13920@isc.org> References: <887336166.7782@isc.org> <887660249.8898@isc.org> <892720318.25367@isc.org> <897436821.29018@isc.org> <898506610.3253@isc.org> Supersedes: <898506610.3253@isc.org> Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org Archive-Name: soc.support.aids-hiv+ Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 19:03:17 GMT Lines: 342 Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:10323 news.groups:290625 misc.health.aids:30287 RESULT moderated group soc.support.aids-hiv+ passes 168:18 There were 168 YES votes and 18 NO votes, for a total of 186 valid votes. There was 1 abstention and 2 invalid ballots. For a group to pass, YES votes must be at least 2/3 of all valid (YES and NO) votes. There must also be at least 100 more YES votes than NO votes. A five day discussion period follows this announcement. If no serious allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the moderator of news.announce.newgroups will create the group shortly thereafter. Newsgroups line: soc.support.aids-hiv+ Messages to and from people living with HIV. (Moderated) The voting period closed at 23:59:59 UTC, 1 Jul 1998. This vote was conducted by a neutral third party. Questions about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent. Proponent: Brian Mailman Proponent: David Howard Votetaker: Neil Crellin RATIONALE: soc.support.aids-hiv+ Although other groups exist where articles about HIV/AIDS issues may be posted, various problems or circumstances have a tendency to prohibit or discourage the types of articles that soc.support.aids-hiv+ would encourage. Continuous moderation of soc.support.aids-hiv+ would ensure substantial freedom from the spam, flame wars, and AIDS-dissident postings that exist in other groups, rendering them far less useful than they could be. The rather technical tone of sci.med.aids (the only other moderated newsgroup about HIV/AIDS) may tend to discourage purely support-oriented postings. Newcomers looking for a support-oriented USENET forum on AIDS/HIV may hesitate before posting to sci.med.aids because its location in the sci.* hierarchy implies a focus on the science of HIV/AIDS rather than support. CHARTER: soc.support.aids-hiv+ Soc.support.aids-hiv+ is a newsgroup which will be established for interaction among people living with the HIV virus or AIDS. Friends and family of these people would also be welcome to post if they have questions or issues relating to the support of a person living with AIDS or HIV. This newsgroup is not intended for the support of those who are grieving or mourning the loss of someone they knew who had AIDS. Postings of this nature may should be submitted to a more appropriate forum, such as newsgroups or mailing lists which focus on this topic. If they require immediate attention, the moderators will refer them to appropriate resources. During the growth of this group, we hope to build a FAQ which will include some of these resources. Although the primary focus of the group is to be messages of support to and from people infected with the HIV virus, articles from caregivers such as "I'm really burning out taking care of _____ at home. I feel _______ about it. Does anyone have any suggestions?" would be allowed as some posters or readers of the group may have personal experience or suggestions that could help someone in such a situation. Resources for caregivers will also be included in the FAQ. People using spamblocked email addresses will be expected to provide a way to remove the spamblock if they expect an email response. Examples of articles that would be rejected are those which include inflammatory or abusive comments directed at one or more people, responses or articles having nothing to do with AIDS, and articles that assert the virus doesn't exist. In addition, extended articles (entire journal articles, new medication study results) are best suited for sci.med.aids. Such articles may be referred to that newsgroup. Crossposted articles will not be accepted. Certain types of advertisements would also be rejected, in particular those promising miracle cures or offers of viatical settlements. Articles would be accepted announcing newly established web sites that would prove beneficial to those with HIV or AIDS would be accepted, but only after the site has first been reviewed by a moderator to assure the site is what the poster claims it to be. A disclaimer will be included in the Posting Guidelines to the effect of "Any suggestions as to treatment or use of certain therapies by posters to this newsgroup are not endorsed by soc.support.aids-hiv+; should anyone follow these suggestions, it is done at one's own risk." Postings by anonymous senders are, of course, welcomed; knowing that too much ignorance and prejudice still exist in society, even after so many years, it is understandable that some people would wish to protect themselves and/or their families. Articles regarding the use of complementary or alternative medicines or therapies (for example: herbs, acupuncture, massage, aromatherapy, therapeutic touch, etc.) would be welcomed. Articles will first be sent through a robomoderator. The robomoderator will handle the initial screening of the articles. Further information regarding how the robomoderator operates may be found at http://www.algebra.com/~ichudov/stump/ Should any article posted fail to meet the criteria set forth in this charter, it will be at the moderator's discretion to reject the article or refer it to the moderation board for disposition. Should the moderator or moderators elect to reject an article, the author of the article will be notified by email. This notification will include the following: *The reason or reasons for the rejection *Information regarding the appeals process, should the poster disagree with the decision of the moderator(s). END CHARTER. MODERATOR INFO: soc.support.aids-hiv+ Moderator: Brian Mailman Moderator: "David A. Howard" Moderator: Joe Thomas Moderator: Debbie Lampon Moderator: "Benny F.P. Sevilla" Administrative contact address: ssah-board@zorch.sf-bay.org Article submission address: ssah-submit@stump.algebra.com END MODERATOR INFO. soc.support.aids-hiv+ Final Voter list Voted YES ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ jasmine [at] fl.net.au Jasmine Taylor rich [at] alcor.concordia.ca Rich Lafferty tboul [at] escape.ca Tammy Boulard eviatar [at] ibd.nrc.ca Hadass Eviatar jankulak [at] freenet.toronto.on.ca Mike Jankulak dmcanzi [at] n3.uwaterloo.ca David Canzi igor [at] Algebra.Com Igor Chudov ChefJeff1 [at] aol.com Jeff Winett ChefJeff1@aol.com desiegel [at] aol.com D. E. Siegel Fk349fj [at] aol.com Frankie Harussell [at] aol.com Hugh Russell MeCorinne [at] aol.com Corinne R. Tribley misssway [at] aol.com Jennifer A. Cummings NinaSalk [at] aol.com Nina Salkin OnQBiz [at] aol.com CHARLES SCHNALL smastr [at] aol.com Sam Masters valeriepg [at] aol.com Valerie Romano cooterx [at] bga.com George Stallsworth verbeek [at] bigfoot.com Todd VerBeek jdg [at] but-i-dont-like-spam.boxmail.com John David Galt mtangard [at] crl.com Mark Tangard mimi [at] cyber-kitchen.com Mimi Hiller eridani [at] databasix.com Belinda gburnore [at] databasix.com Gary L. Burnore booda [at] datasync.com Martin H. Booda guymacon [at] deltanet.com guymacon@deltanet.com (Guy Macon) sophjxl [at] dnai.com Sophie Miron mikel [at] dosbears.com Mike Lipsie syman [at] execpc.com Mark Hagner kpascoe [at] ford.com Kathy Pascoe harter [at] feeding.frenzy.com Sam Hayes Merritt, III curtis_whalen+usenet [at] geocities.com Curtis (Jewell) Whalen dilickjm [at] home.com John Dilick celticwiccan [at] hotmail.com Peter Byron danberkes [at] hotmail.com Dan Berkes vbteach [at] hotmail.com S Delaney evan [at] garrett.hpl.hp.com Evan Kirshenbaum wildwood [at] i-2000.com Hope D. Schraeter annie [at] interlog.com Paula Taft phloem [at] islandnet.com Mike Sugimoto ripple [at] itis.com Roger Lipsey dougob [at] javanet.com D. O'Brien chris [at] kzim.com Christopher Robin Zimmerman chris [at] lodesys.com Chris Daley dee3849 [at] mailexcite.com Dee Jones vev-usenet [at] michvhf.com Vince Vielhaber cipher [at] mindspring.com Cipher franmc [at] mindspring.com Michael J. McGuigan jermanoj [at] mindspring.com John A Jermano scarborough [at] mindspring.com Bill Scarborough olav [at] viking.mv.com Olav Nieuwejaar rzepelaa [at] netaxs.com Anthony J. Rzepela bkeith [at] netcom.com B. Keith Ryder gazissax [at] netcom.com Lynn Gazis-Sax Laura21 [at] ix.netcom.com Laura K. Sunderlin pmarts [at] ix.netcom.com Pepper Marts raifft [at] ix.netcom.com Beth Greenfeld valstark [at] ix.netcom.com Valerie Stark jeev [at] netcom.com Ellen Evans tittle [at] netcom.com Cindy Tittle Moore petersky [at] nwnexus.com Claire Petersky cuzkarel [at] pacifier.com Cousin Karel wbaker [at] panix.com Wendy Baker sharon [at] paonline.com Sharon Odmann rsr3 [at] rsr3ws02.comp.pge.com Bob Russell mra [at] pobox.com Mark Atwood rhys [at] primenet.com Rowan Rhys maya [at] saipan.com Maya B. Kara evergene [at] sirius.com Gene Heller brig [at] spdcc.com Brian Gollum fj [at] spdcc.com F.J. van Wingerde ahall [at] world.std.com Andrew Hall dwolff [at] world.std.com David Wolff psego [at] world.std.com Phillip Sego hood [at] Eng.Sun.COM Mark Hood Dmckeon [at] swcp.com Denis McKeon arielle [at] taronga.com Stephanie da Silva daver [at] teleport.com David Reynolds joele [at] tminet.com Joel Ehrlich dkaye [at] ncal.verio.com David Kaye ssantoro [at] voicetek.com Stefano Santoro bjf [at] wavefront.com Beth Friedman davids [at] wco.com Dave Schreiber sunshine [at] westworld.com Stephanie Lee tresnick [at] women.com Ted Resnick rbparker [at] writeme.com Ron Parker barb [at] altoetting-online.de Dr. Barbara Heller Ekkehard.Uthke [at] gmx.de Ekkehard Uthke naddy [at] mips.rhein-neckar.de Christian Weisgerber sackv [at] uni-duesseldorf.de Victor Sack bouvin [at] daimi.aau.dk Niels Olof Bouvin rajwi [at] engc.bu.edu Rajwinder Singh nmcnelly [at] bu.edu N.A.F. McNelly duane+ [at] andrew.cmu.edu Duane T. Williams jeliza+ [at] red-dwarf.fac.cs.cmu.edu Jeliza Patterson taf2 [at] po.cwru.edu Todd A. Farmerie ahaines [at] indiana.edu Anne Haines tim [at] banquo.csp.ee.memphis.edu Tim Wilson degraaf [at] genome.wi.mit.edu David de Graaf em11 [at] is3.nyu.edu Edward Mathews HOLZMR01 [at] MCRCR6.MED.NYU.EDU ROBERT S. HOLZMAN meg [at] Steam.Stanford.EDU meg worley rick [at] bcm.tmc.edu Richard Miller tachyon [at] cats.ucsc.edu Tane' Tachyon nlacy [at] unlinfo.unl.edu Naomi L. Lacy phos8516 [at] uriacc.uri.edu maxine in ri rufinus [at] mbe.ece.wisc.edu J Rufinus al715 [at] yfn.ysu.edu Tina M. Wood rosenfel [at] club-internet.fr Maurice Rosenfelder franckey [at] imaginet.fr Franckey Rougane philp [at] normandnet.fr Philp jpc [at] drum.msfc.nasa.gov J. Porter Clark heiges [at] post.tau.ac.il Ruth Heiges morasca [at] elet.polimi.it Sandro Morasca cdadair1 [at] airmail.net Cynthia Adair ttyler [at] airmail.net Mickael Olliver tamale [at] aloha.net C Parras dcalhoun [at] BLomand.Net Dennis Dale Calhoun brownsta [at] concentric.net Stan Brown saiga [at] concentric.net Charles L. Gifford jrj [at] access.digex.net Joseph R. Justice geoshaw [at] earthlink.net George E. Shaw maryf [at] earthlink.net Mary Frye maxstern [at] earthlink.net Max Stern tailgate [at] earthlink.net Bobbie Best lexf [at] epix.net Irene Stern Friedman lucas [at] erie.net DonPaul Lucas tsingh [at] gte.net T. Singh uniq97 [at] gte.net Judith K. Lawrence wpmn [at] gtepacifica.net Bruce L. Mailman bmailman [at] hooked.net Brian Mailman lanzyg [at] ibm.net Garrett R. Lanzy ganymede [at] insync.net Greg R. Broderick hartmans [at] mediaone.net Kay Hartman bpsevil [at] pacbell.net Benny Sevilla totototo+newsgroups [at] mail.pacificcoast.net Rodger Whitlock mtschiffer [at] pe.net m t schiffer alexdawson [at] pemail.net Alex Dawson notime [at] pinn.net Vickie Fleming shira [at] qnis.net Shira Rachel Maled carol-arie [at] usa.net CAROL PETERSON fliegel [at] usa.net Birgitta Wade pikboca [at] webtv.net Phyllis Kinsler michael [at] michaeln.demon.nl Michael Nieuwenhuizen david [at] home.net.nz David Farrar rossde [at] acm.org David E. Ross smcneil [at] afsc-pmr.org Stephen McNeil mlw [at] ams.org maxine wolfson vote [at] erle.org Tobias Erle nat [at] nataa.fr.eu.org Nat Makarevitch m.russell [at] iaea.org Marian Russell ronsullivan [at] igc.org Veronica Sullivan peewee [at] scc.mi.org Jason Wright michelle [at] michelle.org Michelle Steiner denebeim [at] deepthot.ml.org Jay Denebeim,,,, zofran [at] deepthot.ml.org Cheryl Martin,,,, ben [at] QueerNet.ORG Ben Gardiner leith [at] QueerNet.ORG Leith Chu rogerk [at] QueerNet.ORG Roger B.A. Klorese djb [at] scream.org Dan Birchall jfh [at] alumni.stanford.org Jack Hamilton andreah [at] utj.org Andrea Herrera ben [at] eexpc.eee.nott.ac.uk Ben Evans lyn [at] stuffing.demon.co.uk Lyn David Thomas Voting [at] valdena.demon.co.uk AST brecon [at] dircon.co.uk Debbie Lampon kenf [at] bcn.boulder.co.us Ken Fricklas Jim.Hayes [at] state.ma.us James Michael Hayes Voted NO ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ yan [at] storm.ca Yves Bellefeuille kimdv [at] best.com Kim DeVaughn stainles [at] bga.com Dwight Brown eab [at] cray.com ed bertsch lcs [at] zk3.dec.com Larry Smith bob149 [at] efortress.com Bob Blanchard tperry [at] efws.com Tom Perry jsd [at] gamespot.com Jon Drukman jason [at] gaydeceiver.com Jason Steiner todd33 [at] ix.netcom.com Todd Miller dc [at] panix.com David W. Crawford kahuna [at] panix.com Andrew Finkenstadt llopis [at] zonker.ecs.umass.edu Noel Llopis pbern7 [at] earthlink.net Paul Bernhardt vpdura [at] hiwaay.net vic dura shaneh [at] texoma.net Shane Hartman simon [at] darkmere.gen.nz Simon Lyall john [at] blackdog.demon.co.uk john@blackdog Abstained ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ephraim [at] ctr.columbia.edu Eric Stieglitz Invalid votes ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ davew [at] walltech.com David Weigel ! Undeliverable address strotz [at] massed.net Susan Trotz ! No vote statement in message -- Neil Crellin, UVV