From katef@web.co.nz Thu Jan 18 18:21:17 1996 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: katef@web.co.nz (Kate Frykberg) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,misc.kids.pregnancy,misc.kids,misc.health.infertility,alt.infertility,alt.support.grief Subject: RFD: soc.support.pregnancy.loss Followup-To: news.groups Date: 18 Jan 1996 23:21:14 -0000 Organization: . Lines: 90 Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net Approved: newgroups-request@uunet.uu.net Message-ID: <822007273.15788@uunet.uu.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Archive-Name: soc.support.pregnancy.loss Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:8143 news.groups:183942 misc.kids.pregnancy:55611 misc.kids:247781 misc.health.infertility:2263 alt.infertility:24958 alt.support.grief:6577 REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD) unmoderated group soc.support.pregnancy.loss This is a request for discussion for the creation of a new newsgroup to be named soc.support.pregnancy.loss Newsgroups line: soc.support.pregnancy.loss Issues & support related to pregnancy loss. RATIONALE: soc.support.pregnancy.loss Pregnancies can be lost through miscarriage, ectopic pregnancy, still birth and neo-natal death. It is estimated that between 20 and 25% of confirmed pregnancies end in pregnancy loss. A group is needed to support people experiencing this loss and for discussion of the various options available. There is no newsgroup that deals with pregnancy loss. Currently there are many postings to misc.kids.pregnancy, alt.support.grief, alt.infertility and misc.health.infertility about pregnancy loss, yet this topic does not fit well into any of these newsgroups. Creating a group soc.support.pregnancy.loss would reduce the load on these newsgroups and give many more people access to this information. CHARTER: soc.support.pregnancy.loss soc.support.pregnancy.loss will be a forum for discussing all aspects of pregnancy loss. Its objective will be to provide support and information for everyone experiencing the trauma of miscarriage, (including blighted ovum), ectopic pregnancy, still birth or neo-natal death. Postings should be supportive and non-judgemental. The following are examples of topics appropriate to this newsgroup: * Causes of pregnancy loss * Monitoring and treatment for high-risk pregnancies * Risks for subsequent pregnancies * Coping with fear in subsequent pregnancies * Grieving for our lost babies * Funerals and rememberance * What to say (and not to say) about pregnancy loss * Deciding what to do when an abnormality is detected * Deciding what to do when the baby has died but the pregnancy continues * Organisations that can help Most importantly, this newsgroup will function as an on-line support group, a place to tell our stories and receive support from people who have been through similar experiences. Unwelcome Posts: All criticism about choices made when faced with pregnancy loss are unwelcome, as are flames and postings of a commercial nature (although posters will be free to recommend or criticise commercial products on a personal basis.) END CHARTER. PROCEDURE: After a discussion period of between 21 and 30 days after the initial RFD, a Call for Votes (CFV) will be issued. The voting period will last at least 21 but no more than 31 days. After the results are posted, there will be a waiting period of five days to allow any objections to be raised. If there are no serious objections, and if 100 more YES votes are received than NO votes and at least 2/3 of the votes recieved are YES, the new group will be created. DO NOT VOTE NOW. This is the discussion phase of the process, and voting will not begin for at least 21 days after the first RFD is posted. DISTRIBUTION: This RFD will be posted to the following newsgroups: misc.kids.pregnancy, misc.kids, misc.health.infertility, alt.infertility, alt.support.grief, news.groups, news.announce.newgroups and the following mailing list: SPALS: Support for pregnancy following a loss NOTE: If readers know of other mailing lists or individuals who would be interested in this newsgroup, please forward this RFD. Followups will be sent to news.groups and all discussion should occur there. From votetaker@netagw.com Fri Feb 9 13:41:03 1996 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: votetaker@netagw.com (Bill Aten) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.infertility,alt.support.grief,misc.health.infertility,misc.kids,misc.kids.pregnancy Subject: CFV: soc.support.pregnancy.loss Followup-To: poster Date: 9 Feb 1996 18:40:46 -0000 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Lines: 155 Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net Approved: tale@uunet.uu.net Expires: 2 Mar 1996 00:00:00 GMT Message-ID: <823891149.14423@uunet.uu.net> References: <822007273.15788@uunet.uu.net> Reply-To: pregnancy-vote@netagw.com NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Archive-Name: soc.support.pregnancy.loss Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:8246 news.groups:188073 alt.infertility:27213 alt.support.grief:7226 misc.health.infertility:2942 misc.kids:252398 misc.kids.pregnancy:59486 FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2) unmoderated group soc.support.pregnancy.loss Newsgroups line: soc.support.pregnancy.loss Support and Information about Pregnancy Loss. Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 1 Mar 1996. This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. Questions about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent. Proponent: Kate Frykberg Votetaker: Bill Aten RATIONALE: soc.support.pregnancy.loss Pregnancies can be lost through miscarriage, ectopic pregnancy, still birth and neo-natal death. It is estimated that between 20 and 25% of confirmed pregnancies end in pregnancy loss. A group is needed to support people experiencing this loss and for discussion on the various issues, options, and information available. There is no newsgroup that deals with pregnancy loss. Currently there are many postings to misc.kids.pregnancy, alt.support.grief, alt.infertility, and misc.health.infertility about pregnancy loss, yet this topic does not fit well into any of these newsgroups. Creating a group soc.support.pregnancy.loss would reduce the load on these newsgroups and give many more people access to this information. The name soc.support.pregnancy.loss was chosen to reflect the support role of this group and to allow other pregnancy support groups (for example twins, diabetes, obesity, etc.) to be created in the same hierarchy. The name was chosen before the RFD was released following the outcome of an informal vote in the above newsgroups. CHARTER: soc.support.pregnancy.loss Soc.support.pregnancy.loss is a forum for discussing all aspects of pregnancy loss. Its objective is to provide support and information for everyone experiencing the trauma of miscarriage, (including blighted ovum), ectopic pregnancy, still birth or neo-natal death. Postings should be supportive and non-judgemental. The following are examples of topics appropriate to this newsgroup: * Causes of pregnancy loss * Monitoring and treatment for high-risk pregnancies * Risks for subsequent pregnancies * Coping with fear in subsequent pregnancies * Grieving for our lost babies * Funerals and remembrance * What to say (and not to say) about pregnancy loss * Deciding what to do when an abnormality is detected * Deciding what to do when the baby has died but the pregnancy continues * Organizations that can help Most importantly, this newsgroup will function as an on-line support group, a place to tell our stories and receive support from people who have been through similar experiences. Unwelcome posts: All criticism about choices made when faced with pregnancy loss are unwelcome, as are flames and postings of a commercial nature (although posters will be free to recommend or criticise commercial products on a personal basis). END CHARTER. HOW TO VOTE: Extract the ballot from the CFV by deleting everything before and after the "BEGINNING OF BALLOT" and "END OF BALLOT" lines. Don't worry about the spacing of the columns or any quote characters (">") that your reply inserts. PLEASE, do not send the entire CFV back to me as this mail is archived. Mark the ballot and then MAIL it to: Just "replying" to this message should work, but check the "To:" line. In order to properly record your vote, please provide your REAL NAME and indicate your desired vote in the appropriate locations inside the ballot. Examples of how to properly indicate your vote: [ YES ] example.yes.vote [ NO ] example.no.vote [ ABSTAIN ] example.abstention [ CANCEL ] example.cancellation *** PLEASE *** DO NOT alter, modify, or delete any other information in this ballot! If you do, the voting software will probably reject your vote. ===== BEGINNING OF BALLOT: Delete everything BEFORE this line ===== ------------------------------------------------------------------- soc.support.pregnancy.loss Ballot (Do not remove this marker!) ------------------------------------------------------------------- Please provide your real name, or your vote may be rejected. Place ONLY your name (ie. do NOT include your e-mail address or any other information; ONLY your name) on the same line as "Voter name:". Voter name: ------------------------------------------------------------------- Insert YES, NO, ABSTAIN, or CANCEL inside the brackets for each newsgroup listed below (do not delete the newsgroup name): Your Vote Newsgroup --------- --------- [ ] soc.support.pregnancy.loss ------------------------------------------------------------------- ===== END OF BALLOT: Delete everything AFTER this line ============ IMPORTANT VOTING PROCEDURE NOTES: Standard Guidelines for voting apply. Only one vote per person, no more than one vote per account. Votes must be mailed directly from the voter to the votetaker. Anonymous, forwarded, or proxy votes are not valid. Votes mailed by WWW/HTML/CGI forms are considered to be anonymous votes. Vote counting is automated. Failure to follow these directions may mean that your vote does not get counted. If you do not receive an acknowledgment of your vote within three days, contact the votetaker about the problem. It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly. Duplicate votes are resolved in favor of the most recent valid vote. Names, addresses, and votes of all voters will be published in the final voting results post. DO NOT redistribute this CFV in any manner whatsoever. The purpose of a Usenet vote is to determine the genuine interest of persons who would read a proposed newsgroup. Soliciting votes from disinterested parties defeats this purpose. Only the votetaker, the news.announce.newgroups moderator, and the proponent (if specifically authorized by the votetaker) are permitted to distribute copies of this CFV. Distribution of pre-marked or otherwise modified copies of this CFV is generally considered voting fraud and should be reported immediately to the votetaker or the UVV . In cases where voting fraud is determined to have occurred, it is standard operating procedure to delete ALL votes submitted by the violator. When in doubt, ask the votetaker. DISTRIBUTION: The only official sources for copies of this CFV are the locations listed below and the votetaker's e-mail CFV server which can be reached at . This CFV has been cross-posted to: news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, alt.infertility,alt.support.grief, misc.health.infertility, misc.kids, misc.kids.pregnancy From votetaker@netagw.com Mon Feb 19 11:13:38 1996 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: votetaker@netagw.com (Bill Aten) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.infertility,alt.support.grief,misc.health.infertility,misc.kids,misc.kids.pregnancy Subject: 2nd CFV: soc.support.pregnancy.loss Supersedes: <823891149.14423@uunet.uu.net> Followup-To: poster Date: 19 Feb 1996 16:13:34 -0000 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Lines: 160 Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net Approved: tale@uunet.uu.net Expires: 2 Mar 1996 00:00:00 GMT Message-ID: <824746411.29278@uunet.uu.net> References: <822007273.15788@uunet.uu.net> <823891149.14423@uunet.uu.net> Reply-To: pregnancy-vote@netagw.com NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Archive-Name: soc.support.pregnancy.loss Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:8260 news.groups:190160 alt.infertility:28176 alt.support.grief:7543 misc.health.infertility:3215 misc.kids:254573 misc.kids.pregnancy:60932 LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2) unmoderated group soc.support.pregnancy.loss Newsgroups line: soc.support.pregnancy.loss Support and Information about Pregnancy Loss. Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 1 Mar 1996. This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. Questions about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent. Proponent: Kate Frykberg Votetaker: Bill Aten RATIONALE: soc.support.pregnancy.loss Pregnancies can be lost through miscarriage, ectopic pregnancy, still birth and neo-natal death. It is estimated that between 20 and 25% of confirmed pregnancies end in pregnancy loss. A group is needed to support people experiencing this loss and for discussion on the various issues, options, and information available. There is no newsgroup that deals with pregnancy loss. Currently there are many postings to misc.kids.pregnancy, alt.support.grief, alt.infertility, and misc.health.infertility about pregnancy loss, yet this topic does not fit well into any of these newsgroups. Creating a group soc.support.pregnancy.loss would reduce the load on these newsgroups and give many more people access to this information. The name soc.support.pregnancy.loss was chosen to reflect the support role of this group and to allow other pregnancy support groups (for example twins, diabetes, obesity, etc.) to be created in the same hierarchy. The name was chosen before the RFD was released following the outcome of an informal vote in the above newsgroups. CHARTER: soc.support.pregnancy.loss Soc.support.pregnancy.loss is a forum for discussing all aspects of pregnancy loss. Its objective is to provide support and information for everyone experiencing the trauma of miscarriage, (including blighted ovum), ectopic pregnancy, still birth or neo-natal death. Postings should be supportive and non-judgemental. The following are examples of topics appropriate to this newsgroup: * Causes of pregnancy loss * Monitoring and treatment for high-risk pregnancies * Risks for subsequent pregnancies * Coping with fear in subsequent pregnancies * Grieving for our lost babies * Funerals and remembrance * What to say (and not to say) about pregnancy loss * Deciding what to do when an abnormality is detected * Deciding what to do when the baby has died but the pregnancy continues * Organizations that can help Most importantly, this newsgroup will function as an on-line support group, a place to tell our stories and receive support from people who have been through similar experiences. Unwelcome posts: All criticism about choices made when faced with pregnancy loss are unwelcome, as are flames and postings of a commercial nature (although posters will be free to recommend or criticise commercial products on a personal basis). END CHARTER. HOW TO VOTE: Extract the ballot from the CFV by deleting everything before and after the "BEGINNING OF BALLOT" and "END OF BALLOT" lines. Don't worry about the spacing of the columns or any quote characters (">") that your reply inserts. PLEASE, do not send the entire CFV back to me as this mail is archived. Mark the ballot and then MAIL it to: Just "replying" to this message should work, but check the "To:" line. In order to properly record your vote, please provide your REAL NAME and indicate your desired vote in the appropriate locations inside the ballot. Examples of how to properly indicate your vote: [ YES ] example.yes.vote [ NO ] example.no.vote [ ABSTAIN ] example.abstention [ CANCEL ] example.cancellation *** PLEASE *** DO NOT alter, modify, or delete any other information in this ballot! If you do, the voting software will probably reject your vote. ===== BEGINNING OF BALLOT: Delete everything BEFORE this line ===== ------------------------------------------------------------------- soc.support.pregnancy.loss Ballot (Do not remove this marker!) ------------------------------------------------------------------- Please provide your real name, or your vote may be rejected. Place ONLY your name (ie. do NOT include your e-mail address or any other information; ONLY your name) on the same line as "Voter name:". Voter name: ------------------------------------------------------------------- Insert YES, NO, ABSTAIN, or CANCEL inside the brackets for each newsgroup listed below (do not delete the newsgroup name): Your Vote Newsgroup --------- --------- [ ] soc.support.pregnancy.loss ------------------------------------------------------------------- ===== END OF BALLOT: Delete everything AFTER this line ============ IMPORTANT VOTING PROCEDURE NOTES: Standard Guidelines for voting apply. Only one vote per person, no more than one vote per account. Votes must be mailed directly from the voter to the votetaker. Anonymous, forwarded, or proxy votes are not valid. Votes mailed by WWW/HTML/CGI forms are considered to be anonymous votes. Vote counting is automated. Failure to follow these directions may mean that your vote does not get counted. If you do not receive an acknowledgment of your vote within three days, contact the votetaker about the problem. It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly. Duplicate votes are resolved in favor of the most recent valid vote. Names, addresses, and votes of all voters will be published in the final voting results post. DO NOT redistribute this CFV in any manner whatsoever. The purpose of a Usenet vote is to determine the genuine interest of persons who would read a proposed newsgroup. Soliciting votes from disinterested parties defeats this purpose. Only the votetaker, the news.announce.newgroups moderator, and the proponent (if specifically authorized by the votetaker) are permitted to distribute copies of this CFV. Distribution of pre-marked or otherwise modified copies of this CFV is generally considered voting fraud and should be reported immediately to the votetaker or the UVV . In cases where voting fraud is determined to have occurred, it is standard operating procedure to delete ALL votes submitted by the violator. When in doubt, ask the votetaker. DISTRIBUTION: The only official sources for copies of this CFV are the locations listed below and the votetaker's e-mail CFV server which can be reached at . This CFV has been cross-posted to: news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, alt.infertility,alt.support.grief, misc.health.infertility, misc.kids, misc.kids.pregnancy soc.support.pregnancy.loss Bounce List (No need to revote) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ david.roberts@edwardjones.com David Roberts From bill@netagw.com Fri Mar 1 21:28:44 1996 Path: uunet!bounce-back From: bill@netagw.com (Bill Aten) Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.infertility,alt.support.grief,misc.health.infertility,misc.kids,misc.kids.pregnancy Subject: RESULT: soc.support.pregnancy.loss passes 232:20 Supersedes: <824746411.29278@uunet.uu.net> Followup-To: news.groups Date: 1 Mar 1996 21:28:54 -0500 Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Lines: 367 Sender: tale@uunet.uu.net Approved: tale@uunet.uu.net Message-ID: <825733727.7858@uunet.uu.net> References: <822007273.15788@uunet.uu.net> <823891149.14423@uunet.uu.net> <824746411.29278@uunet.uu.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net Archive-Name: soc.support.pregnancy.loss Xref: uunet news.announce.newgroups:8340 news.groups:192116 alt.infertility:29532 alt.support.grief:7952 misc.health.infertility:3665 misc.kids:257687 misc.kids.pregnancy:63045 RESULT unmoderated group soc.support.pregnancy.loss passes 232:20 Voting closed at 23:59:59 UTC, 1 Mar 1996. This vote was conducted by a neutral third party. Questions about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent. Proponent: Kate Frykberg Votetaker: Bill Aten There were 252 valid votes submitted during the voting period. Each proposed newsgroup, in order to pass, must have at least 2/3 YES votes and at least 100 more YES than NO votes. The results are as follows: soc.support.pregnancy.loss results - 252 valid votes Yes No : 2/3? >100? : Pass? : Group ---- ---- : ---- ----- : ----- : ------------------------------------------- 232 20 : Yes Yes : Yes : soc.support.pregnancy.loss 3 abstaining votes and 4 invalid votes The proposal passed. There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted. If no serious and significant allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the moderator of news.announce.newgroups will create the newsgroups shortly thereafter. The remainder of the RESULT contains: Newsgroups Line Rationale Charter Final Voting Acknowledgements NEWSGROUPS LINE: soc.support.pregnancy.loss Support and Information about Pregnancy Loss. RATIONALE: soc.support.pregnancy.loss Pregnancies can be lost through miscarriage, ectopic pregnancy, still birth and neo-natal death. It is estimated that between 20 and 25% of confirmed pregnancies end in pregnancy loss. A group is needed to support people experiencing this loss and for discussion on the various issues, options, and information available. There is no newsgroup that deals with pregnancy loss. Currently there are many postings to misc.kids.pregnancy, alt.support.grief, alt.infertility, and misc.health.infertility about pregnancy loss, yet this topic does not fit well into any of these newsgroups. Creating a group soc.support.pregnancy.loss would reduce the load on these newsgroups and give many more people access to this information. The name soc.support.pregnancy.loss was chosen to reflect the support role of this group and to allow other pregnancy support groups (for example twins, diabetes, obesity, etc.) to be created in the same hierarchy. The name was chosen before the RFD was released following the outcome of an informal vote in the above newsgroups. CHARTER: soc.support.pregnancy.loss Soc.support.pregnancy.loss is a forum for discussing all aspects of pregnancy loss. Its objective is to provide support and information for everyone experiencing the trauma of miscarriage, (including blighted ovum), ectopic pregnancy, still birth or neo-natal death. Postings should be supportive and non-judgemental. The following are examples of topics appropriate to this newsgroup: * Causes of pregnancy loss * Monitoring and treatment for high-risk pregnancies * Risks for subsequent pregnancies * Coping with fear in subsequent pregnancies * Grieving for our lost babies * Funerals and remembrance * What to say (and not to say) about pregnancy loss * Deciding what to do when an abnormality is detected * Deciding what to do when the baby has died but the pregnancy continues * Organizations that can help Most importantly, this newsgroup will function as an on-line support group, a place to tell our stories and receive support from people who have been through similar experiences. Unwelcome posts: All criticism about choices made when faced with pregnancy loss are unwelcome, as are flames and postings of a commercial nature (although posters will be free to recommend or criticise commercial products on a personal basis). END CHARTER. FINAL VOTING ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS: soc.support.pregnancy.loss Final Vote Ack soc.support.pregnancy.loss ---+ | 75451.2170@CompuServe.COM Angie Pasqua Y 76262.1262@compuserve.com Loreena K Barklage Y 7jacobs_k@spcunb.spc.edu Kathleen M. Sienkiewicz Y aahz@netcom.com Aahz Y acbitter@pop.uky.edu Alicia Bitterling Y afasoldt@dreamscape.com Nancy Fasoldt Y ag954@ccn.cs.dal.ca Christy Linders Y al715@yfn.ysu.edu Tina M. Wood Y alchemy@direct.ca Tamara Pearl Y ald@aretha.jax.org Angie Dow Y alpine@imt.net Grace Kim Y alssoc@inforamp.net Jan Rodman Y anderson@darex.com Lorie S. Anderson Y AndreaLee6@aol.com Andrea Warnke Y APoss@aol.com Ariel Poss Y arnold@violet.berkeley.edu John Arnold Y artstone@cris.com Art Stone Y asleep@eworld.com Sara Gould Y asplund@chemistry.utah.edu Jennifer S. Asplund Y baird@TC.Cornell.EDU Lynn Baird Y betsyg@uts.cc.utexas.edu Betsy S. 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No name given From england@scott.net Wed Oct 22 18:15:05 1997 Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back From: Melanie England Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,soc.support.pregnancy.loss,misc.kids.pregnancy,misc.kids,misc.health.infertility,alt.infertility,alt.support.grief,sci.med.midwifery Subject: RFD: moderate soc.support.pregnancy.loss Followup-To: news.groups Message-ID: <877568512.5020@isc.org> Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org Archive-Name: soc.support.pregnancy.loss Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 01:01:53 GMT Lines: 138 Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:892 REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD) moderated group soc.support.pregnancy.loss (moderates existing group) This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) to change unmoderated newsgroup soc.support.pregnancy.loss to Worldwide moderated Usenet newsgroup soc.support.pregnancy.loss. This is not a call for Votes (CFV); you cannot vote at this time. Procedural details are below. Newsgroup line: soc.support.pregnancy.loss Issues and support related to pregnancy loss. (Moderated) RATIONALE: soc.support.pregnancy.loss Soc.support.pregnancy.loss is a forum that deals with pregnancy loss through miscarriage, stillbirth, neonatal death and therapeutic termination. It provides support and education for women, families and caregivers impacted by a pregnancy loss. Soc.support.pregnancy.loss should become a moderated newsgroup at this time in order to decrease the volume of unsupportive and inflammatory posts, which are in direct violation of the charter, as well as off-topic and cross posted threads. CHARTER: soc.support.pregnancy.loss soc.support.pregnancy.loss is a MODERATED forum for discussing all aspects of pregnancy loss. Its objective is to provide support and information for everyone experiencing or concerned about the trauma of miscarriage, (including blighted ovum), ectopic pregnancy, therapeutic terminations, still birth or neo-natal death. Postings should be supportive and non-judgmental. The following are examples of topics appropriate to this newsgroup: * Causes of pregnancy loss * Monitoring pregnancy and preventing miscarriage (where possible) * Risks for subsequent pregnancies * Coping with fear in subsequent pregnancies * Grieving for our lost babies * Funerals and remembrance * What to say (and not to say) about pregnancy loss * Deciding to terminate a pregnancy when an abnormality is detected * Deciding to continue a pregnancy when an abnormality is detected * Deciding what to do when the baby has died but the pregnancy continues * Organizations that can help Most importantly, this newsgroup functions as an on-line support group, a place to tell our stories and receive support from people who have been through similar experiences. Unwelcome Posts: All criticism about choices made when faced with pregnancy loss are Unwelcome. Unsupportive posts concerning therapeutic terminations, as well as posts debating the moral, ethical and political implications of abortion will not be approved by the moderators under any circumstances. Flames, all pyramid selling and "get rich quick" schemes, and postings of a commercial nature (although posters will be free to recommend or criticize commercial products on a personal basis.), are also unwelcome and will not be approved for posting. Binary files are also unwelcome. Moderation Policy: Moderators will rotate moderation duties on an agreed upon schedule. The job of the moderator is to insure that all posts are in compliance with the charter. Any moderator unable to perform these duties for a period longer than 90 days will removed and replaced. New moderators will be chosen by call for volunteers to soc.support.pregnancy.loss. then voted on my existing moderators.Moderators who violate the charter will be removed. A majority vote among moderators will remove any moderator who disputes their removal for any reason. END CHARTER. MODERATOR INFO: soc.support.pregnancy.loss Moderator: Melanie England Moderator: Valerie Moderator: Michele < Cheachey1@aol.com> Moderator: Rebecca Cooper Melanie England, mother of one living child as well as two miscarried and one terminated pregnancy. Support group facilitator. Valerie Pepito Ramano, mother of two miscarried children. BA in psychology and special education teacher. Michelle, mother of two living children and two miscarried. Support group facilitator and SHARE member. Rebecca Cooper, mother of one living child and one miscarried. Pregnancy loss chat host on Moms Online. END MODERATOR INFO. PROCEDURE: This is a request for discussion, not a call for votes. In this phase of the process, any potential problems with the proposed newsgroups should be raised and resolved. The discussion period will continue for a minimum of 21 days (starting from when the first RFD for this proposal is posted to news.announce.newgroups), after which a Call For Votes (CFV) may be posted by a neutral vote taker if the discussion warrants it. Please do not attempt to vote until this happens. All discussion of this proposal should be posted to news.groups. This RFD attempts to comply fully with the Usenet newsgroup creation guidelines outlined in "How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup" and "How to Format and Submit a New Group Proposal". Please refer to these documents (available in news.announce.newgroups) if you have any questions about the process. DISTRIBUTION: This RFD will be posted to the following newsgroups: news.announce.newsgroups, news.groups, misc.kids.pregnancy, misc.kids, misc.health.infertility, alt.infertility, alt.support.grief, sci.med.midwifery and the following mailing lists: SPALS Subsequent Pregnancy after Loss Support PAL Parenting after Loss Support Pen-Parents grief support Proponent: Melanie England Bright Blessings, Melanie mom 'O Cass born 03/06/97 "Attitudes are the real disability" From bostwick@cas.chemistry.gatech.edu Mon Nov 17 06:00:10 1997 Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back From: David Bostwick Reply-To: bostwick@cas.chemistry.gatech.edu Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.infertility,alt.support.grief,misc.health.infertility,misc.kids,misc.kids.pregnancy,sci.med.midwifery Subject: CFV: soc.support.pregnancy.loss moderated Followup-To: poster Message-ID: <879774619.3501@isc.org> References: <877568512.5020@isc.org> Supersedes: <877568512.5020@isc.org> Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org Expires: 9 Dec 1997 00:00:00 GMT Archive-Name: soc.support.pregnancy.loss Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 13:50:19 GMT Lines: 179 Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:959 FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2) moderated group soc.support.pregnancy.loss Instructions for voting are just before the ballot itself. Please read them before voting. If you have questions about the voting process, ask the votetaker. This CFV is to be distributed only by the votetaker. It is not to be posted to newsgroups, or mailed to mailing lists or individuals, except by the votetaker, and it is not to be placed on the World Wide Web. Ballots or CFVs provided by anyone except the votetaker will be invalid. Newsgroups line: soc.support.pregnancy.loss Issues and support related to pregnancy loss. (Moderated) Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 8 Dec 1997. This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. Questions about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent. Proponent: Melanie England Votetaker: David Bostwick RATIONALE: soc.support.pregnancy.loss Soc.support.pregnancy.loss is a forum that deals with pregnancy loss through miscarriage, stillbirth, neonatal death and therapeutic termination. It provides support and education for women, families and caregivers impacted by a pregnancy loss. Soc.support.pregnancy.loss should become a moderated newsgroup at this time in order to decrease the volume of unsupportive and inflammatory posts, which are in direct violation of the charter, as well as off-topic and cross posted threads. CHARTER: soc.support.pregnancy.loss Soc.support.pregnancy.loss is a MODERATED forum for discussing all aspects of pregnancy loss. Its objective is to provide support and information for everyone experiencing or concerned about the trauma of miscarriage, (including blighted ovum), ectopic pregnancy, therapeutic terminations, still birth or neo-natal death. Postings should be supportive and non-judgmental. The following are examples of topics appropriate to this newsgroup: * Causes of pregnancy loss * Monitoring pregnancy and preventing miscarriage (where possible) * Risks for subsequent pregnancies * Coping with fear in subsequent pregnancies * Grieving for our lost babies * Funerals and remembrance * What to say (and not to say) about pregnancy loss * Deciding to terminate a pregnancy when an abnormality is detected * Deciding to continue a pregnancy when an abnormality is detected * Deciding what to do when the baby has died but the pregnancy continues * Organizations that can help Most importantly, this newsgroup functions as an on-line support group, a place to tell our stories and receive support from people who have been through similar experiences. Unwelcome Posts: All criticism about choices made when faced with pregnancy loss are Unwelcome. Unsupportive posts concerning therapeutic terminations, as well as posts debating the moral, ethical and political implications of abortion will not be approved by the moderators under any circumstances. Flames, all pyramid selling and "get rich quick" schemes, and postings of a commercial nature (although posters will be free to recommend or criticize commercial products on a personal basis.), are also unwelcome and will not be approved for posting. Binary files are also unwelcome. Moderation Policy: Moderators will rotate moderation duties on an agreed upon schedule. The job of the moderator is to insure that all posts are in compliance with the charter. Any moderator unable to perform these duties for a period longer than 90 days will removed and replaced. New moderators will be chosen by call for volunteers to soc.support.pregnancy.loss. then voted on by existing moderators.Moderators who violate the charter will be removed. A majority vote among moderators will remove any moderator who disputes their removal for any reason. END CHARTER. MODERATOR INFO: soc.support.pregnancy.loss Moderator: Melanie England Moderator: Valerie Pepito Ramano Moderator: Michele Moderator: Rebecca Cooper Administrative contact address: SSPLadmin@partlycloudy.com Article submission address: SSPLadmin@partlycloudy.com END MODERATOR INFO. IMPORTANT VOTING PROCEDURE NOTES: READ THIS BEFORE VOTING Only one vote is allowed per person or per account. Duplicate votes will be resolved in favor of the most recent valid vote. Addresses and votes of all voters will be listed in the final voting results post. Votes must be mailed directly from the voter to the votetaker. Anonymous, forwarded, or proxy votes are not valid. Votes mailed by WWW/HTML/CGI forms are considered to be anonymous votes. The use of spam blockers or other munged addresses will prevent you from receiving an acknowledgement of your vote. If the address cannot be verified, the ballot will be disallowed. Vote counting is automated, and failure to follow these directions may mean that your vote does not get counted. If you do not receive an acknowledgment of your vote within three days contact the votetaker about the problem. It is your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly. The purpose of a Usenet vote is to determine the genuine interest of persons who would read a proposed newsgroup. Soliciting votes from uninterested parties defeats this purpose. Please do not distribute this CFV. Instead, direct people to the official CFV as posted to news.announce.newgroups. Distributing pre-marked or otherwise edited copies of this CFV is generally considered to be vote fraud. When in doubt, ask the votetaker. HOW TO VOTE: Extract the ballot from the CFV by deleting everything before the "BEGINNING OF BALLOT" and after the "END OF BALLOT" lines. Don't worry about the spacing of the columns or any quote characters (">") that your reply inserts. Please do not send the entire CFV back to me. Fill in the ballot as shown below. Please provide a valid name and indicate your desired vote in the appropriate locations inside the ballot. When finished, MAIL the ballot to: . Just "replying" to this message should work, but check the "To:" line. Examples of how to properly indicate your vote (do not vote here): [ YES ] example.yes.vote [ NO ] example.no.vote [ ABSTAIN ] example.abstention [ CANCEL ] example.cancellation DO NOT modify, alter or delete any information in this ballot! If you do, the voting software will probably reject your ballot. If these instructions are unclear, please ask the votetaker. ======== BEGINNING OF BALLOT: Delete everything before this line ======= .----------------------------------------------------------------------- | Do not edit anything in this ballot, except to add your name and vote. | | 1ST CALL FOR VOTES: soc.support.pregnancy.loss | Official Usenet Voting Ballot (Do not remove this line!) |----------------------------------------------------------------------- | Please provide a valid name, or your vote may be rejected. Place | ONLY your name (i.e., do not include your e-mail address or any other | information) after the colon on the line below. Voter name: | Insert YES, NO, ABSTAIN, or CANCEL inside the brackets for each | newsgroup listed below (do not delete the newsgroup name): Your Vote Newsgroup --------- ----------------------------------------------------------- [ ] soc.support.pregnancy.loss ======== END OF BALLOT: Delete everything after this line ============== This CFV was created with uvpq 1.0 (Aug 27 1997). PQ datestamp: 970324 -- Voting address : bostwick@cas.chemistry.gatech.edu From bostwick@cas.chemistry.gatech.edu Wed Nov 26 08:00:07 1997 Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back From: David Bostwick Reply-To: bostwick@cas.chemistry.gatech.edu Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.infertility,alt.support.grief,misc.health.infertility,misc.kids,misc.kids.pregnancy,sci.med.midwifery Subject: 2nd CFV: soc.support.pregnancy.loss moderated Followup-To: poster Message-ID: <880559436.5450@isc.org> References: <877568512.5020@isc.org> <879774619.3501@isc.org> Supersedes: <879774619.3501@isc.org> Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org Expires: 9 Dec 1997 00:00:00 GMT Archive-Name: soc.support.pregnancy.loss Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 15:50:36 GMT Lines: 179 Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:978 LAST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2) moderated group soc.support.pregnancy.loss Instructions for voting are just before the ballot itself. Please read them before voting. If you have questions about the voting process, ask the votetaker. This CFV is to be distributed only by the votetaker. It is not to be posted to newsgroups, or mailed to mailing lists or individuals, except by the votetaker, and it is not to be placed on the World Wide Web. Ballots or CFVs provided by anyone except the votetaker will be invalid. Newsgroups line: soc.support.pregnancy.loss Issues and support related to pregnancy loss. (Moderated) Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 8 Dec 1997. This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. Questions about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent. Proponent: Melanie England Votetaker: David Bostwick RATIONALE: soc.support.pregnancy.loss Soc.support.pregnancy.loss is a forum that deals with pregnancy loss through miscarriage, stillbirth, neonatal death and therapeutic termination. It provides support and education for women, families and caregivers impacted by a pregnancy loss. Soc.support.pregnancy.loss should become a moderated newsgroup at this time in order to decrease the volume of unsupportive and inflammatory posts, which are in direct violation of the charter, as well as off-topic and cross posted threads. CHARTER: soc.support.pregnancy.loss Soc.support.pregnancy.loss is a MODERATED forum for discussing all aspects of pregnancy loss. Its objective is to provide support and information for everyone experiencing or concerned about the trauma of miscarriage, (including blighted ovum), ectopic pregnancy, therapeutic terminations, still birth or neo-natal death. Postings should be supportive and non-judgmental. The following are examples of topics appropriate to this newsgroup: * Causes of pregnancy loss * Monitoring pregnancy and preventing miscarriage (where possible) * Risks for subsequent pregnancies * Coping with fear in subsequent pregnancies * Grieving for our lost babies * Funerals and remembrance * What to say (and not to say) about pregnancy loss * Deciding to terminate a pregnancy when an abnormality is detected * Deciding to continue a pregnancy when an abnormality is detected * Deciding what to do when the baby has died but the pregnancy continues * Organizations that can help Most importantly, this newsgroup functions as an on-line support group, a place to tell our stories and receive support from people who have been through similar experiences. Unwelcome Posts: All criticism about choices made when faced with pregnancy loss are Unwelcome. Unsupportive posts concerning therapeutic terminations, as well as posts debating the moral, ethical and political implications of abortion will not be approved by the moderators under any circumstances. Flames, all pyramid selling and "get rich quick" schemes, and postings of a commercial nature (although posters will be free to recommend or criticize commercial products on a personal basis.), are also unwelcome and will not be approved for posting. Binary files are also unwelcome. Moderation Policy: Moderators will rotate moderation duties on an agreed upon schedule. The job of the moderator is to insure that all posts are in compliance with the charter. Any moderator unable to perform these duties for a period longer than 90 days will removed and replaced. New moderators will be chosen by call for volunteers to soc.support.pregnancy.loss. then voted on by existing moderators.Moderators who violate the charter will be removed. A majority vote among moderators will remove any moderator who disputes their removal for any reason. END CHARTER. MODERATOR INFO: soc.support.pregnancy.loss Moderator: Melanie England Moderator: Valerie Pepito Ramano Moderator: Michele Moderator: Rebecca Cooper Administrative contact address: SSPLadmin@partlycloudy.com Article submission address: SSPLadmin@partlycloudy.com END MODERATOR INFO. IMPORTANT VOTING PROCEDURE NOTES: READ THIS BEFORE VOTING Only one vote is allowed per person or per account. Duplicate votes will be resolved in favor of the most recent valid vote. Addresses and votes of all voters will be listed in the final voting results post. Votes must be mailed directly from the voter to the votetaker. Anonymous, forwarded, or proxy votes are not valid. Votes mailed by WWW/HTML/CGI forms are considered to be anonymous votes. The use of spam blockers or other munged addresses will prevent you from receiving an acknowledgement of your vote. If the address cannot be verified, the ballot will be disallowed. Vote counting is automated, and failure to follow these directions may mean that your vote does not get counted. If you do not receive an acknowledgment of your vote within three days contact the votetaker about the problem. It is your responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly. The purpose of a Usenet vote is to determine the genuine interest of persons who would read a proposed newsgroup. Soliciting votes from uninterested parties defeats this purpose. Please do not distribute this CFV. Instead, direct people to the official CFV as posted to news.announce.newgroups. Distributing pre-marked or otherwise edited copies of this CFV is generally considered to be vote fraud. When in doubt, ask the votetaker. HOW TO VOTE: Extract the ballot from the CFV by deleting everything before the "BEGINNING OF BALLOT" and after the "END OF BALLOT" lines. Don't worry about the spacing of the columns or any quote characters (">") that your reply inserts. Please do not send the entire CFV back to me. Fill in the ballot as shown below. Please provide a valid name and indicate your desired vote in the appropriate locations inside the ballot. When finished, MAIL the ballot to: . Just "replying" to this message should work, but check the "To:" line. Examples of how to properly indicate your vote (do not vote here): [ YES ] example.yes.vote [ NO ] example.no.vote [ ABSTAIN ] example.abstention [ CANCEL ] example.cancellation DO NOT modify, alter or delete any information in this ballot! If you do, the voting software will probably reject your ballot. If these instructions are unclear, please ask the votetaker. ======== BEGINNING OF BALLOT: Delete everything before this line ======= .----------------------------------------------------------------------- | Do not edit anything in this ballot, except to add your name and vote. | | 2ND CALL FOR VOTES: soc.support.pregnancy.loss | Official Usenet Voting Ballot (Do not remove this line!) |----------------------------------------------------------------------- | Please provide a valid name, or your vote may be rejected. Place | ONLY your name (i.e., do not include your e-mail address or any other | information) after the colon on the line below. Voter name: | Insert YES, NO, ABSTAIN, or CANCEL inside the brackets for each | newsgroup listed below (do not delete the newsgroup name): Your Vote Newsgroup --------- ----------------------------------------------------------- [ ] soc.support.pregnancy.loss ======== END OF BALLOT: Delete everything after this line ============== This CFV was created with uvpq 1.0 (Aug 27 1997). PQ datestamp: 970324 -- Voting address : bostwick@cas.chemistry.gatech.edu From bostwick@cas.chemistry.gatech.edu Wed Dec 10 12:30:07 1997 Path: news.isc.org!bounce-back From: David Bostwick Reply-To: bostwick@cas.chemistry.gatech.edu Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,alt.infertility,alt.support.grief,misc.health.infertility,misc.kids,misc.kids.pregnancy,sci.med.midwifery Subject: RESULT: soc.support.pregnancy.loss moderated passes 153:51 Followup-To: news.groups Message-ID: <881785535.800@isc.org> References: <877568512.5020@isc.org> <879774619.3501@isc.org> <880559436.5450@isc.org> Supersedes: <880559436.5450@isc.org> Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers Approved: newgroups-request@isc.org Archive-Name: soc.support.pregnancy.loss Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 20:25:36 GMT Lines: 322 Xref: news.isc.org news.announce.newgroups:1015 RESULT moderated group soc.support.pregnancy.loss passes 153:51 There were 153 YES votes and 51 NO votes, for a total of 204 valid votes. There was 1 abstain and 2 invalid votes. For group passage, YES votes must be at least 2/3 of all valid (YES and NO) votes. There also must be at least 100 more YES votes than NO votes. There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted. If no serious allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the moderator of news.announce.newgroups will create the group shortly thereafter. Newsgroups line: soc.support.pregnancy.loss Issues and support related to pregnancy loss. (Moderated) The voting period ended at 23:59:59 UTC, 8 Dec 1997. This vote was conducted by a neutral third party. Questions about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent. Proponent: Melanie England Votetaker: David Bostwick RATIONALE: soc.support.pregnancy.loss Soc.support.pregnancy.loss is a forum that deals with pregnancy loss through miscarriage, stillbirth, neonatal death and therapeutic termination. It provides support and education for women, families and caregivers impacted by a pregnancy loss. Soc.support.pregnancy.loss should become a moderated newsgroup at this time in order to decrease the volume of unsupportive and inflammatory posts, which are in direct violation of the charter, as well as off-topic and cross posted threads. CHARTER: soc.support.pregnancy.loss Soc.support.pregnancy.loss is a MODERATED forum for discussing all aspects of pregnancy loss. Its objective is to provide support and information for everyone experiencing or concerned about the trauma of miscarriage, (including blighted ovum), ectopic pregnancy, therapeutic terminations, still birth or neo-natal death. Postings should be supportive and non-judgmental. The following are examples of topics appropriate to this newsgroup: * Causes of pregnancy loss * Monitoring pregnancy and preventing miscarriage (where possible) * Risks for subsequent pregnancies * Coping with fear in subsequent pregnancies * Grieving for our lost babies * Funerals and remembrance * What to say (and not to say) about pregnancy loss * Deciding to terminate a pregnancy when an abnormality is detected * Deciding to continue a pregnancy when an abnormality is detected * Deciding what to do when the baby has died but the pregnancy continues * Organizations that can help Most importantly, this newsgroup functions as an on-line support group, a place to tell our stories and receive support from people who have been through similar experiences. Unwelcome Posts: All criticism about choices made when faced with pregnancy loss are Unwelcome. Unsupportive posts concerning therapeutic terminations, as well as posts debating the moral, ethical and political implications of abortion will not be approved by the moderators under any circumstances. Flames, all pyramid selling and "get rich quick" schemes, and postings of a commercial nature (although posters will be free to recommend or criticize commercial products on a personal basis.), are also unwelcome and will not be approved for posting. Binary files are also unwelcome. Moderation Policy: Moderators will rotate moderation duties on an agreed upon schedule. The job of the moderator is to insure that all posts are in compliance with the charter. Any moderator unable to perform these duties for a period longer than 90 days will removed and replaced. New moderators will be chosen by call for volunteers to soc.support.pregnancy.loss. then voted on by existing moderators.Moderators who violate the charter will be removed. A majority vote among moderators will remove any moderator who disputes their removal for any reason. END CHARTER. MODERATOR INFO: soc.support.pregnancy.loss Moderator: Melanie England Moderator: Valerie Pepito Ramano Moderator: Michele Moderator: Rebecca Cooper Administrative contact address: SSPLadmin@partlycloudy.com Article submission address: SSPLadmin@partlycloudy.com END MODERATOR INFO. soc.support.pregnancy.loss Final Vote Ack Voted Yes ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ a73898914@rocketmail.com Annette Matusow aalme@haywire.csuhayward.edu Angela K.B. Alme abbyfg@tezcat.com Abby Franquemont ag954@chebucto.ns.ca Christine Linders ai132@chebucto.ns.ca Joanne Cook al715@yfn.ysu.edu Tina M. Wood almacdee@interaccess.com Liz MacDonald amandelin@aol.com Amanda Rowe APOHARRIS@prodigy.net Allison Harris arielle@taronga.com Stephanie da Silva arnoldkll@top.monad.net Lynn Arnold asterian@eecs.umich.edu Andrew Sterian baumbach@Onramp.net Bill Baumbach bec@pinelandpress.com Rebecca Smith Waddell bentwood@hem.passagen.se G. Farrants bobmcc@tcsi.com Bob McCormick boogie@borg.com Angela Morris boud@I_AM_NOT_INTERESTED_IN_SPAM.xs4all.nl Boudewijn Rempt bouvin@daimi.aau.dk Niels Olof Bouvin bukshot@magicnet.net Tim Clabaugh cadurret@tdo.infi.net Cindy Durrett calabres@chass.utoronto.ca T.Calabrese CARTERM@uni.edu Marci Carter cgarcia401@aol.com Carol Garcia chardman@cris.com Carolyn Hardman Cheachey1@aol.com Michele Johnson cindy@nethelp.no Cindy Kandolf CNMPAT@aol.com Pat Sonnenstuhl cordcull@worldnet.att.net Maureen Therese Cullen crleech@freenet.carleton.ca Colin Leech cschoppe@nal.usda.gov Charles Schoppet curtis_whalen@hotmail.com Curtis [Jewell] Whalen DaveM@web.co.nz Dave Moskovitz davy@mail.mpx.com.au Helene Weston-Davy dawn@doleh.com Dawn Doleh deadlock@one.net DeadLock the Feral debbie@icus.com Debbie Tropiano dfig@flash.net Diane Figueroa dlmcmurr@apollo.adcom.uci.edu Deanna McMurray dougndi@networkusa.net Diane Frederick dougob@ix.netcom.com Doug O'Brien dshaw@cs.jhu.edu David Shaw echo5a@deskmedia.com M. Rodgers Ekkehard.Uthke@gmx.de Ekkehard Uthke Elizabeth_Hodas@HMC.Edu Elizabeth Hodas ellingho@montana.com Mary Halloran emma@Kanpai.Stanford.EDU Emma Pease eridani+spam@netcom.com Belinda Bryan Eva.Bergfeldt@ki.ericsson.se Eva Bergfeldt farley@spont.com Tom Farley fl4a004@rrz.uni-hamburg.de Lars Sprute gabby1@bright.net Sher'ee Michele Young gazissax@netcom.com Lynn Gazis-Sax gembala@u.washington.edu William Gembala gerstel@interport.net Corrie Gerstel Slewett gibbsm@ll.mit.edu Margaret Gibbs grantm@web.co.nz Grant McLean harborlyte@aol.com Sarah Durham Hydroelect@aol.com Teri Campeau ichudov@algebra.com Igor Chudov irina@rempt.xs2all.nl Irina Rempt jasmine@fl.net.au Jasmine Taylor jazzara@suffolk.lib.ny.us jazzara jdresner@fas.harvard.edu Jonathan Dresner jenalex@magicnet.net Jennifer Clabaugh jgehring@best.com jane gehring jgeorge@cyberhighway.net Doreen Georgeson jha@manx2.demon.co.uk John Atkinson jmalina@fish.hooked.net Jo Ann Malina joannet@web.co.nz Lianne Cohen jpc@drum.msfc.nasa.gov J. Porter Clark katef@web.co.nz Kate Frykberg katzinna@HUGSE1.HARVARD.EDU Nancygail Katzin-Nystrom kb2mym@li.net angelo diaz khyde@mailhost.tcs.tulane.edu Jan Hyde kimberl9@IDT.NET Kimberlie Klare kimdv@best.com Kim DeVaughn kirscht@tnt.uni-hannover.de Martin Kirscht kjl@one.net June Lash klussery@aol.com Kendra Ussery kneiman@acronet.net kneiman@acronet.net kpascoe@sprintmail.com Kathy Pascoe kris@aimless.demon.co.uk kris keen Kristi.Knox@COMPAQ.com Kristi Knox ksebek@yakko.cs.wmich.edu Karel William Sebek KurshannaJ@NIGMS.NIH.GOV KURSHANNA JOHNSON laurat@magpage.com Laura Tessmer LHVG04A@prodigy.com Marcie Dimenstein lnilsen@gamewood.net Liz Nilsen lori@echidna.id.au Lori Schokman LtgDir@aol.com Bill Jenkins luriep@tiac.net p lurie ManaMW@aol.com Debbie Pulley, CPM Marc.Billiet@alcatel.be Marc Billiet marion10@xochi.tezcat.com Marion Baumgarten mary.firth@clear.net.nz Mary Firth masson@asterix.saclay.cea.fr Valerie Masson masters@mail.deltanet.com Nathan C. Masters meiske@erols.com Lisa VandeGiessen mevard@media.mit.edu michele evard Midgewife@aol.com Midge Jolly mikaboo@mclink.it Mika Watanabe mjmisu01@homer.louisville.edu Melissa Misuraca mmar1059@alu-etsetb.upc.es Viper mom2james@aol.com Rebecca Cooper mrc@eastgate.com Meryl R. Cohen mrwaddell@aol.com David A. Waddell mue@gsf.de Bernhard Muenzer naddy@mips.rhein-neckar.de Christian Weisgerber nat@nataa.fr.eu.org Nat Makarevitch natalie@effect.net.au Natalie Rimlinger nch@pacifier.com Nick Hatch ncooper@wahoo.sjsu.edu Noreen Cooper Heavlin neil@neilirving.demon.co.uk Neil Irving nprice@yourpregnancy.com Nancy Price olav@viking.mv.com Olav Nieuwejaar pattist@ix.netcom.com barbara pattist paxil@inorth.on.ca Trevor Tymchuk pburch@bcm.tmc.edu Paula Burch penny@frodo.demon.co.uk Penny Gaines phublou@innet.be Patrick Hublou prout@taconic.net Jo Prout RiaNorth@aol.com Ria North rick@bcm.tmc.edu Richard Miller rmkmbaki@aol.com Kevin & Rachel Moore robyn@ai.mit.edu Robyn Kozierok rufinus@marconi.ece.wisc.edu J Rufinus sarant@innet.lu Nikos Sarantakos senecoff@bscr.uga.edu Julie Senecoff sgwm@maitreya.demon.co.uk SGWM shelbiek@aol.com Shelbie Kennedy shirleyscott@juno.com Shirley Ann Scott sings4god@aol.com Sings4 God sreid@morgan.ucs.mun.ca Suanne Reid st8cj@Bayou.UH.EDU Kathryne Lane stef@cat-and-dragon.com Stef Jones szenzero@alf.tel.hr Snjezana Sevo-Zenzerovic taylor133@aol.com Suzanne Smith tfl@psp.co.uk Thomas Lee Tobias.Erle@gmx.net Tobias Erle tracy@softedge.com Tracy Lee Murphy upson@cableol.co.uk Nick Upson valeriepg@aol.com Valerie Pepito Romano VGTS33B@prodigy.com Elaine Menard vurian@rempt.xs4all.nl Vurian Cynlei Astin Brun wardells@globedirect.com Heather Wardell wb6uck@qsl.net Don Root wcovexip@0.0.0.0 Debora L. Gordon R.N. wendy@panix.com Wendy Wagner wetrics0768@uni.edu Susan Wetrich willmac@vvm.com William MacKinnon you'd@never.guess Tami Garza zager@cs.utk.edu Judy Zager Voted No ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 149robertb@sisna.com Bob Blanchard 17D5057@ACAD.MC3.EDU Jones McKutcheon AlanLivingston@acm.org Alan J. Livingston amc@win.net Jeffery D. Hunt barb@ohio-state.com Barb Jarvis booda@datasync.com Martin H. Booda butterscotch@phayze.com Bumpo Lawless capitaljo@fexnet.com Jodie Ballast chriseb@nortel.ca Chris Ebenezer d@idiom.com d David.Robinson@Eng.Sun.COM David Robinson dc@panix.com David W. Crawford dialysis@starplace.com Guy Marciano djed@juno.com Geronimo Mockingbird ellis@ftel.net Rick Ellis erigbadj@teen.co.uk Eric Badger fkrieger@nmu.edu Frank Krieger flyinfilipino@hotmail.com Carson de Castro gbacon@adtran.com Greg Bacon hfung@lerami.lerctr.org Hank Fung holberm1@alpha.lasalle.edu Marc Holbert jackmccoy@yahoo.com Jack McCoy john1@world.std.com Fred Cherry justinga@socrates.Berkeley.EDU Justin Gardner kfamily@mail.enter.net Phil Thomas lcs@NOSPAMzk3.dec.com Larry Smith lichtnef@beaver.edu Frank Lichtner ltikkane@urova.fi Liisa Tikkanen mali@ege.edu.tr Mehmet Ali Bayraktar matt@brain.mics.net Matt Miller mikesea2@gte.net Mike Christy mote@juno.com Motros M. Banjiheshlamp mulligan@orionsys.com Sean Mulligan patl@cag.lcs.mit.edu Patrick J. LoPresti red@rahul.net Red rmp@heehaw.com Rafael Palmeiro roddyrodrun@rodrun.com Rodrun Beltaine saitta@nettaxi.com Michael J. Saitta sjohnson@pop-a-wheelie.midwest.net Sam Johnson Spanner@larrrrrd.demon.co.uk Chris Hayes stainles@bga.com Dwight Brown stanczak@softhome.net Martin Stanczak tonyb@null.net Tony Basoglu unruh@lusions.com Taylor Renneman varnish@phil-collins.com Rembrandt Sullivan vpdura@hiwaay.net Vic Dura wood45@selin.com Jack Selin yancy.malthus@neverending.com Yancy Malthus zebik@psicorps.com Gregory Zebik zmz@starplace.com Zachary Zoeltch _bedwarm@yahoo.com Bobby Tendinitis Abstained ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ guymacon@deltanet.com Guy Macon Votes in Error ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _info_@info.rutgers.edu Anonymous User ! Unverifiable account MATOOSHKA@aol.com Annette ! Duplicate vote